PSU Blogger on RU loss and their coach

[srru86]

Talking10
PSU’s loss to Rutgers shows Patrick Chambers squarely on the hot seat
"Penn State just needs to look at the guy who coached Rutgers to a win at the Bryce Jordan Center for all the proof they need. After all, Steve Pikeill wasn’t exactly a household name, but he has transformed Rutgers in to a team that plays tough defense and is actually competitive overnight."

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

So chambers is or should be on the hot seat because Rutgers found a no name coach that has his team playing defense?

Failing to see the logic here.

Did the blogger research PSU defensive stats?

No!

 

[RUJMM78]

Talking10
PSU’s loss to Rutgers shows Patrick Chambers squarely on the hot seat
"Penn State just needs to look at the guy who coached Rutgers to a win at the Bryce Jordan Center for all the proof they need. After all, Steve Pikeill wasn’t exactly a household name, but he has transformed Rutgers in to a team that plays tough defense and is actually competitive overnight."

PSU isn't perceived as a successful basketball program as compared to other sports where they excel.They have recruited some very good players from Roman Catholic in Philadelphia who are experiencing the pit falls of freshmen in a power conference.The head coach always gets the blame for non success.

 

[bac2therac]

Chambers is on the hot seat because it has always been one step forward, two steps back, while yes they are young so thats why I think he will not get fired this year. The perception is they are sort of spinning their wheels with him. Next year is his 7th year, if he does not have them in the NCAA then what...give him an 8th year? He is at the point where producing is going to become mandatory. A home loss to Rutgers was a bad loss

2011–12 Penn State 12–20 4–14 T–11th
2012–13 Penn State 10–21 2–16 12th
2013–14 Penn State 16–18 6–12 T–10th CBI Quarterfinal
2014–15 Penn State 18–16 4–14 13th
2015–16 Penn State 16–16 7–11 10th
2016–17 Penn State 12–12 4-7

 

[scarletNJ49]

Watch Dan Hurley end up there after URI shows well in the NCAA this year.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Chambers is on the hot seat because it has always been one step forward, two steps back, while yes they are young so thats why I think he will not get fired this year. The perception is they are sort of spinning their wheels with him. Next year is his 7th year, if he does not have them in the NCAA then what...give him an 8th year? He is at the point where producing is going to become mandatory. A home loss to Rutgers was a bad loss

2011–12 Penn State 12–20 4–14 T–11th
2012–13 Penn State 10–21 2–16 12th
2013–14 Penn State 16–18 6–12 T–10th CBI Quarterfinal
2014–15 Penn State 18–16 4–14 13th
2015–16 Penn State 16–16 7–11 10th
2016–17 Penn State 12–12 4-7

He has totally retooled the roster and is ridiculously young. Similar to looking at RU next year they can improve and still look at the same record as the B1G teams are all improving and most young. Unless there are major issues with him relating to players he deserves to see these classes as seniors.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Ask yourself.......what program are you more confident in succeeding the next 10 years. Rutgers or Penn State.

Also when looking at Chambers and Pikiell people need to respect the fact that recruiting doesn't happen overnight. The 1st 2-3 years are almost throw aways.

 

[koko2315]

Watch Dan Hurley end up there after URI shows well in the NCAA this year.

I think Dan Hurley can do much better than PSU. And there should be some better openings in some good conferences coming up.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

look at the amount of freshmen and sophomores in URI's rotation. Without knowing that much about the program and the 2017 recruiting class I might be quick to get out if I was Hurley.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Why did Penn State fire it's coach in 2011 right after making the NCAAs?

 

[RUChoppin]

FIG.... it's his 7th season. His first "true" class was 2012... which have now all graduated. He's had 6 recruiting classes to get things going, and he's sitting at 12-12 after losing 5 of the last 6 with a home loss to Rutgers. 7 games left... 3 on the road, and 2 at home. They could very easily finish 14-17 this year.

Not sure how much patience is left.

If we still haven't seen the NIT/NCAA by 2022-23, I have a feeling that Pike isn't going to be around for 2023-24.

 

[Mr_Twister]

Chambers is not high profile enough when considered alongside the football and wrestling coaches. Not preposterous that he be sent packing after this season and replaced with a national household name basketball figure. Would PA native Bo Ryan come out of retirement? Or maybe Jamie Dixon so that they could recruit both Pittsburgh and Philadelphia areas?

 

[bac2therac]

so you are saying that Chambers should get to his 9th season to make the NCAA.....listen PSU doesnt care about hoops, I do not think they pretend to either, its not like RU where Hobbs is heralding a new emphasis on hoops. Losing to RU at home is something that Chambers detractors can point to. Let see where they finish....

Maryland
at Illinois
at Nebby
Purdue
at Minny
OSU
at Iowa

in their last 7 they will be faves perhaps only against OSU...5-13/13-19 is not a good look. Not sure I see many wins here and there is a chance they may not win any of these either.

 

[Mr_Twister]

Watch Dan Hurley end up there after URI shows well in the NCAA this year.

Is Jersey Shore, PA anywhere near Happy Valley? The Hurley's are big fans of the Jersey shore.

 

[gringo]

Why did Penn State fire it's coach in 2011 right after making the NCAAs?

Bizarre - DeChellis makes the 2nd round of the NCAA tourney then leaves Penn State to go to Navy. He also won an NIT championship a few years before. Wonder what happened.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Bizarre - DeChellis makes the 2nd round of the NCAA tourney then leaves Penn State to go to Navy. He also won an NIT championship a few years before. Wonder what happened.

There was an undercurrent that DeChellis didn't recruit well enough.....now they have the recruiting connections and this blog is completely unfair to Chambers....they beat Michigan State soundly, have beaten Indiana each of the last two seasons before losing at the buzzer at home and then triple OT just 3 days before this RU loss.

I don't think PSU is done at all, they have a ton of talent on that roster....it would not shock me to see them bounce back and beat Maryland, but their biggest problem is not having a home court advantage at Penn State....they are apathetic about basketball and I don't think the bulk of their fan base has a clue about basketball.....I think they beat Illinois on the road, spring another upset and beat Ohio State at home.

When you are extremely young, you will look erratic and wildly inconsistent.....I would give Chambers another year, Tony Carr, Shep Garner as a senior next year and that youth will be better next year.

The red flags are there though....PSU doesn't defend, doesn't box out, but when you have better talent, they can get by at times running and jumping vs doing the little things....Shep Garner is the same player he was as a freshman.....Corey Sanders in less than 9 months is a completely different player....will Chambers make a change on staff and get a defensive specialist to help scouting???

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

FIG.... it's his 7th season. His first "true" class was 2012... which have now all graduated. He's had 6 recruiting classes to get things going, and he's sitting at 12-12 after losing 5 of the last 6 with a home loss to Rutgers. 7 games left... 3 on the road, and 2 at home. They could very easily finish 14-19 this year.

Not sure how much patience is left.

If we still haven't seen the NIT/NCAA by 2022-23, I have a feeling that Pike isn't going to be around for 2023-24.

I am guessing Chambers got the job April 2011. Shepp Garner and Payton Banks were 2 months removed from their Freshman HS season. I'd think this is about the time these 2 kids are starting to get recruited.

You can say 2012 was his 1st "true" class, but I disagree.

WHAT ABOUT Pikielll. Right now he is on an equal playing field building relationships with HS sophomores. He did attend a GSB game to look at a few sophomores. The one sophomore had already been recruited by colleges well before Pikiell was hired. The GSB sophomore will begin college 2019-20 and will be a college senior March 2023. This kid was being actively recruited before Pikiell was hired.

Based on what people say here you get ONE SHOT.

Change for change sake is bad.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

There was an undercurrent that DeChellis didn't recruit well enough.....now they have the recruiting connections and this blog is completely unfair to Chambers....they beat Michigan State soundly, have beaten Indiana each of the last two seasons before losing at the buzzer at home and then triple OT just 3 days before this RU loss.

I don't think PSU is done at all, they have a ton of talent on that roster....it would not shock me to see them bounce back and beat Maryland, but their biggest problem is not having a home court advantage at Penn State....they are apathetic about basketball and I don't think the bulk of their fan base has a clue about basketball.....I think they beat Illinois on the road, spring another upset and beat Ohio State at home.

When you are extremely young, you will look erratic and wildly inconsistent.....I would give Chambers another year, Tony Carr, Shep Garner as a senior next year and that youth will be better next year.

The red flags are there though....PSU doesn't defend, doesn't box out, but when you have better talent, they can get by at times running and jumping vs doing the little things....Shep Garner is the same player he was as a freshman.....Corey Sanders in less than 9 months is a completely different player....will Chambers make a change on staff and get a defensive specialist to help scouting???

look at PSU's #s. They defend. Penn State actually has a scoring problem. They are 41st in defensive efficiency and 187th in offensive efficiency.

 

[toby83]

He gets one more year with those freshman. He knows this.

 

[Pritz99]

PSU doesn't care about BB. Whoever expects them to get a name coach like Dixon, tell me the history that would indicate that. Don't know why that is, but you never see them spend the big bucks on a BB coach. Dixon, e.g., would require that. And why would you move to a school's administration doesn't care? And if they ever do come up with a great coach, you can bet he'd be recognized and hired away.

 

[Mr_Twister]

The Athletics Dept has deep pockets at Happy Valley. You can only imagine the money they have when you see their wrestling program. They have big time donors as well as an adoring alumni base that treasured their time on-campus and the successful sports programs (especially football) and are way more generous than those who did their undergraduate years in New Brunswick/Piscataway. Would Rutgers making multiple appearances in the Rose and Orange Bowls, or even beating Ohio State at home, change donating habits of Rutgers alumni? I hope so, even if our administrators and school leadership do not.

 

[higgins3]

I am guessing Chambers got the job April 2011. Shepp Garner and Payton Banks were 2 months removed from their Freshman HS season. I'd think this is about the time these 2 kids are starting to get recruited.

You can say 2012 was his 1st "true" class, but I disagree.

WHAT ABOUT Pikielll. Right now he is on an equal playing field building relationships with HS sophomores. He did attend a GSB game to look at a few sophomores. The one sophomore had already been recruited by colleges well before Pikiell was hired. The GSB sophomore will begin college 2019-20 and will be a college senior March 2023. This kid was being actively recruited before Pikiell was hired.

Based on what people say here you get ONE SHOT.

Change for change sake is bad.

I agree with the last part. America is not patient, and business is never patient. I think he gets 2-3 more years to prove he can develop his players.

 

[TMCB]

Psu is not a hoops school, never will be. Is Hurley a hot coach these days? Whats his overall record at URI. Not setting the world on fire. His dads name is the most important thing on his resume. Im a hurley fan but thats how i see it.

 

[RUChoppin]

I am guessing Chambers got the job April 2011. Shepp Garner and Payton Banks were 2 months removed from their Freshman HS season. I'd think this is about the time these 2 kids are starting to get recruited.

You can say 2012 was his 1st "true" class, but I disagree.

WHAT ABOUT Pikielll. Right now he is on an equal playing field building relationships with HS sophomores. He did attend a GSB game to look at a few sophomores. The one sophomore had already been recruited by colleges well before Pikiell was hired. The GSB sophomore will begin college 2019-20 and will be a college senior March 2023. This kid was being actively recruited before Pikiell was hired.

Based on what people say here you get ONE SHOT.

Change for change sake is bad.

So, your argument seems to be that a coach needs to really be given 9 years to be evaluated? Really?

If Pike hasn't managed to get RU to the NIT by 2022-23, there is almost no way that he stays for his 8th season.

 

[MADHAT1]

Watch Dan Hurley end up there after URI shows well in the NCAA this year.

With a 15-7 record (7-3 conference) 15-7 , winning the Atlantic 10 or it's tourney might be the only way the Rams get into the tourney.
A lot of Danny's luster had fallen off, but he's still considered a coach that will be moving up.
Just how high is the question and PSU might be the only type of major program he can get now.
Finishing 17-15 last year, 15-7 now after his Rhode Island team was 23-10 two years ago is dimming the bright star he was thought to have and made him less of a great catch then he was not that long ago..

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

So, your argument seems to be that a coach needs to really be given 9 years to be evaluated? Really?

If Pike hasn't managed to get RU to the NIT by 2022-23, there is almost no way that he stays for his 8th season.

The coaching staff should be evaluated from day 1 going forward. A line in the sand do this or else be fired YES 9 years+ is certainly reasonable in RUs case.

I think it was reasonable and appropriate to let Jordan go after 3 years
I think it was reasonable to let FHJ go without the baseball nonsense
Unfortunately rice had to be let go
I think it was wrong to let Gary waters go
I think it was reasonable and appropriate for wenzel to be let go
Unfortunately Bannon had to be let go

I am not for letting a coach have 9 years just because he hasnt made a post season tournament. I respect how long and difficult it can and should be to build a program in B1G. I am for letting a coach go if you are fairly certain that a guy you can replace him with has a much better chance of succeeding. the main reason why we haven't succeeded is because we aren't an attractive destination for basketball players. That change doesn't happen overnight. If my child had a choice of going to a few P5 schools and get minutes there is no way Rutgers would be on that list. HOPEFULLY in a few years that changes.

 

[RUChoppin]

I just can't see it in Chambers' case.

If they manage to finish 13-18 or 14-17 this year, I'd have to think that Chambers would be on the hot seat... and his seat is likely getting warm already. Going from 18 wins, to 16 wins, to 13/14 wins.... is the wrong direction for a program. If he were given another year, I'd imagine he'd almost definitely be on a short leash with the AD having a "magic number" of wins in mind for him to continue to Year 9.

 

[Degaz-RU]

Picking up on something Hawk said about PSU's lack of home court advantage, PSU's arena seems like a cavernous, antiseptic pro-style arena, with no juice. At least that's how it looked on TV playing Rutgers. Has anybody seen what the place is like when it's packed against a better opponent?

 

[LC-88]

So, your argument seems to be that a coach needs to really be given 9 years to be evaluated? Really?

If Pike hasn't managed to get RU to the NIT by 2022-23, there is almost no way that he stays for his 8th season.

I'm hoping Pike doesn't get hired away by 2022-23.

 

[koko2315]

Picking up on something Hawk said about PSU's lack of home court advantage, PSU's arena seems like a cavernous, antiseptic pro-style arena, with no juice. At least that's how it looked on TV playing Rutgers. Has anybody seen what the place is like when it's packed against a better opponent?

it hold 15K...more capacity than the Nassau Coliseum!

 

[TheB1GTerp]

Penn State is just delusional as normal.

They fail to mention up to that point PSU had the most conference wins that they have EVER had this far into the season.

Neither team has considerably more talent than the other. RU needed that win far more than PSU. I mean the B1G has had plenty of upsets.

Chambers is a whiny dislikeable guy as a Maryland fan, but he's not doing a bad job. I mean your coach is not doing a bad job either.

So like when Rutgers has 5 wins in conference and loses to PSU, are you guys going to complain about him?

 

[RUChoppin]

Penn State is just delusional as normal.

They fail to mention up to that point PSU had the most conference wins that they have EVER had this far into the season.

Neither team has considerably more talent than the other. RU needed that win far more than PSU. I mean the B1G has had plenty of upsets.

Chambers is a whiny dislikeable guy as a Maryland fan, but he's not doing a bad job. I mean your coach is not doing a bad job either.

So like when Rutgers has 5 wins in conference and loses to PSU, are you guys going to complain about him?

If we're 12-12 in Year 7 without having seen the postseason yet, and lose to a Sagarin 125+ team at home? Yeah... pretty sure there will be a lot of complaining.

 

[RUDutch]

So like when Rutgers has 5 wins in conference and loses to PSU, are you guys going to complain about him?

Most probably won't but somebody will because somebody always complains here.

 

[bac2therac]

Penn State is just delusional as normal.

They fail to mention up to that point PSU had the most conference wins that they have EVER had this far into the season.

Neither team has considerably more talent than the other. RU needed that win far more than PSU. I mean the B1G has had plenty of upsets.

Chambers is a whiny dislikeable guy as a Maryland fan, but he's not doing a bad job. I mean your coach is not doing a bad job either.

So like when Rutgers has 5 wins in conference and loses to PSU, are you guys going to complain about him?

for a guy that has not done much for 6 years...yes if you are losing at home to Rutgers after beating them easily at their place it is a bad loss, you cannot spin that its not, this is the type of win that he should have and that you point to when saying is he doing a good job. Doesnt matter if you beat Michigan State if you lose to Rutgers and everyone else..they have lost of 5 of 6. They needed this win because they have a shot at postseason where RU doesnt, RU was coming off a bitch slapping by Iowa and was missing a key player yet they DOMINATED Penn State, thats the thing here, Rutgers just didnt win, they looked like the better team throughout despite the late rally

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I just can't see it in Chambers' case.

If they manage to finish 13-18 or 14-17 this year, I'd have to think that Chambers would be on the hot seat... and his seat is likely getting warm already. Going from 18 wins, to 16 wins, to 13/14 wins.... is the wrong direction for a program. If he were given another year, I'd imagine he'd almost definitely be on a short leash with the AD having a "magic number" of wins in mind for him to continue to Year 9.

Where is he now? Is the program on the path to be a top 40 school in the next 2 years? Replace him with who?

With a school like PSU or RU you take a few steps back before going forward with a coaching change.

I'd kill for PSU roster right now. I find the thought of replacing as utterly ridiculous.

 

[RU1-Newtown_ Pa]

Having attended the basketball game today on Saturday I can provide some insight...

First, the Bryce Jordan Center is nice arena. Concessions are okay and price points for food were in line.

Second, the game drew less then 9k and the upper deck sections above both baskets had black drapes in front of them.

Third, I have said this to many Penn State friends of mine that for the program to be successful they need to recruit and win out players from inside Philadelphia. Chambers finally connected with the recruits from
Roman Catholic. They need to beat out the Nova's and Temple's for the city kids.

That is why Sandy Barbour, the PSU AD gave Chanbers a life line.

Lastly, Penn State has and always will be a football school. People will flock for wrestling, volleyball and now hockey. As for basketball, library time takes precedence.

Go RU!

 

[bac2therac]

Where is he now? Is the program on the path to be a top 40 school in the next 2 years? Replace him with who?

With a school like PSU or RU you take a few steps back before going forward with a coaching change.

I'd kill for PSU roster right now. I find the thought of replacing as utterly ridiculous.

you would kill for the roster but not for the coach right? That says it all

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I honestly would need to see more of Chambers.

 

[bac2therac]

you have had 6 years to see him

 

[Pritz99]

I'm sorry, six years is a long time. He is what he is. What is puzzling is why after 4-5 years, he's recruited a few top notch players. What changed? For me, I'd give him next year to show some real progress. That the students and alumni aren't calling for his head is shocking -- but, again, PSU doesn't care much about BB. RU dumped a coach who was showing in fits and starts, been to the NIT a couple of times after 5 (?) years.

It's what happens when the school has passionate fans. If Pikiel isn't in the NIT by the end of year 3, the grumblings, maybe outcry will start. He won't get 7 years.