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Well the past 3 days have been an unexpected treat for the fanbase. One week ago the regular season went out with a whimper with an uninspiring home loss to bottom feeder Illinois. A loss that seemed to highlight all the program's deficiencies and magnify the struggle that RU would likely have trying to move out the Big 10 basement going forward. But winning matters...you cannot have hope if you do not produce results on the court, you cannot give hope to the fans if you don't win some games. Two Big 10 tournament wins including our first over blue blood Indiana and a toe to toe battle with #8 Purdue gave the program and the fans a huge shot of needed adrenaline going into the recruiting season and next year. In what looked like another bleak end to the season for the long suffering RU hoops fans has perhaps turned into a peak into the harbinger of things to come in the future. Program became resilient when it could have folded and we should be nothing but proud of what these kids ended up accomplishing.

As for the game itself, when was the last time this program played a game on the big stage? Because that is what last night was. MSG was rocking with RU fans,. BTN, the announcers, and social media were talking the program up and not in the "aw look at Rutgers how cute they are" condescending way. That game had a NCAA feel to it. Players making plays back to back to back, answering each other. Purdue is a legitimate national title contender. This wasn't a case of a team playing down and typical scrappy RU making the game look ugly. No, Purdue had to play their A game to win. At one point they were 13-27 from three point land...and they needed every single one of them to win. RU played like a NCAA team. That performance last night would have won a first round 8/9 NCAA tournament game. RU played their A plus game.

Come tourney time whether it is conference tourney or NCAA tourney, great players show up. Corey Sanders maligned at times for not showing up against weaker competition and maligned for perhaps not having focus during the regular season shut up any critics by not only showing up but taking over. 3 games where Corey was in the absolute zone. His 3 game stat line.....32-60 fg....scoring 23, 28, and 23 points in the 3 games. Corey at his finest on back to back to back nights...something that had dogged him over the course of his 3 years at RU. You could see the confidence on this kids face. He did not have to prove it to himself. He already knew it, he was going to show it to everyone and that he did. Is this it for Corey at Rutgers? Only he knows. I think its put to bed any talk for now about the accelerating the timeline. Much of that argument is about being able to bring it every night no matter what the competition and to be able to help the team not hurt it. Of course, Corey does not need to put up these numbers every night and not sure anyone expects that but its always been about bringing it mentally. I think Corey should come back because he just increased his prospects for a pro career with these 3 games. Another year with some more of these consistent performances could really send his stock into orbit.

Mentioned Geo Baker in another thread I started but last night...um hello...WOW...10-20 shooting, 25 points on 4-9 shooting, zero turnovers. Looking every bit as good as Carson Edwards. This kid was literally sick....after being sick with the flu which made him a non entity even including the Minnesota opening round game.....Baker came into the Indiana game shooting 7-37 in the last 6 games with 19 poiints and 4 treys. He eclipsed that in just one game last night. That is showing the fight of a lion. Quiet confidence with Geo all year long. As a freshmen logging major minutes and forced to do too much and then bouncing back after hittting a wall and then sickness. This is the type of perfornance that can catapult him into another level next season.

How about Pikiell? He coached his heart out this tournament if you were watching him on the sideline. Seems incredibly blessed to be coaching this team and very appreciative of the support from the fans. He had his mistakes for sure this year in trying to recognize who should be playing more and who should be sitting but when it came to the tournament, he pushed all the right buttons and made all the right lineup moves. He and his staff had a great command of the pulse of this team over the past 3 days. The defensive preparation and focus on rebounding was the catalyst to get the offense going midway through that Indiana game. I do not know what he said to them down 24-8 but geez this team grew up several years in just a 90 second timeout. One thing to note about last night. Pike trusted in Sanders and Baker to take over the offense. RU really backed off from a lot of set plays and trying to force it as much inside. In the 2nd half, Pike knew he had to ride his two guard playmakers and with that trust came a great risk of danger but Pike was willing to let those players do it and they responded. In the prior game vs Indiana, there really was some brilliant offensive sets and everyone got involved so much different than the stagnant offense we were used to. I think Pikiell grew several years also in this tournament and not just gray hair either.

Have so much more to talk about going forward but maybe I need to wrap this up and start a part 2 in another thread. Oh lets mention the RU crowd. Didnt make it last night but was there for the Indiana game. Obviously the RU faithful showed up big time last night and it was noted several times by the announcers and BTN analysts about our support there and it just wasn't lip service. We have a sleeping fanbase that is desperate for any kind of winning. It is important to build on the support we saw the past 3 days and take that into next season. I will touch on this in the part 2 thread. Overall the Big 10 tourney here was a success despite all the snarky comments from the college hoops writers across the country. Much different and quite frankly much more pleasurable feel to it than the Big East tournament IMO.
 
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A big takeaway is that we should always look at progress in a span of multiple games both as a team and individually.

Our success in these 3 games was more a function of being better on offense. Yesterday was our worst (including Illinois and Ohio State) defensive showing of the season from a pure statistical standpoint giving up 82 points in 64 possessions. I know it is obvious why the defensive results were bad (competition and legs). If we played a below average game defensively we win.

Offensively we scored 65 in 66 possessions vs. Minny, 76 in 68 vs. Indiana, and 75 in 64 vs. Purdue.

If we got that type of production, let's call it 1.1 points per possession we finish 11-7 in B1G.
 
A big takeaway is that we should always look at progress in a span of multiple games both as a team and individually.

Our success in these 3 games was more a function of being better on offense. Yesterday was our worst (including Illinois and Ohio State) defensive showing of the season from a pure statistical standpoint giving up 82 points in 64 possessions. I know it is obvious why the defensive results were bad (competition and legs). If we played a below average game defensively we win.

Offensively we scored 65 in 66 possessions vs. Minny, 76 in 68 vs. Indiana, and 75 in 64 vs. Purdue.

If we got that type of production, let's call it 1.1 points per possession we finish 11-7 in B1G.


yes...also I would say alot of what we saw yesterday was the team playing on adrenaline and emotion of a tourney run like we see teams..once you have it you can play with anyone, if RU won last night, they legit would be competing with PSU and we would be dreaming of a NCAA bid.

Ill touch upon it in part 2 but careful with expectations, just because this team played so well last night does not mean they will automatically do that next season against top competition. RU has to start by putting these type of performances back to back and getting consistency rather than get a win here and then get blown out 3 times, play a close game, get blown out again two games, etc
 
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yes...also I would say alot of what we saw yesterday was the team playing on adrenaline and emotion of a tourney run like we see teams..once you have it you can play with anyone, if RU won last night, they legit would be competing with PSU and we would be dreaming of a NCAA bid.

Ill touch upon it in part 2 but careful with expectations, just because this team played so well last night does not mean they will automatically do that next season against top competition. RU has to start by putting these type of performances back to back and getting consistency rather than get a win here and then get blown out 3 times, play a close game, get blown out again two games, etc

I think next season--depending on Corey--you want to see this team finding its consistency late in the year on through the Big Ten Tournament. There are going to be a lot of new pieces, but they are all pieces that can play a role and probably score a bucket.
 
agree..every team will take their lumps especially integrating newcomers...remember Mike Rice first year they struggled and lost to Illinois State and people were savaging him and the players and then a few weeks later they were beating Florida and UConn. Unfortunately they never built on that season the following year. They never gained consistency as sophs that they needed to, what we hope is that this team takes this performance and makes the necessary steps where it is still getting better by seasons end so the following season it can take more steps
 
One thing to add......

You have never heard me complaining about officiating. I HATE when posters complain about officiating. Big pet peeve!

At one point I actually thought Pikiell should have considered wasting 2 valuable points and getting a technical. Probably wouldn't have been the right move, but things were that bad.
 
One other thought. Assist totals for the B1G tournament

Rutgers 21
Purdue 19

Unfortunately 21 is over 3 games and 19 is over 1. Is good offensive efficiency sustainable without a normal assist total? I think we know the answer.
 
Also another thought.

Pikiell should have had Eugene in there more. Freeman struggled against Vince Edwards defensively.
 
Also another thought.

Pikiell should have had Eugene in there more. Freeman struggled against Vince Edwards defensively.
Also another thought. Eugene was taking it to offense in 1st half. I know ru strategy against big players is to give different looks, but omoyuri is a player to give that op to as well.
 
Well the past 3 days have been an unexpected treat for the fanbase. One week ago the regular season went out with a whimper with an uninspiring home loss to bottom feeder Illinois. A loss that seemed to highlight all the program's deficiencies and magnify the struggle that RU would likely have trying to move out the Big 10 basement going forward. But winning matters...you cannot have hope if you do not produce results on the court, you cannot give hope to the fans if you don't win some games. Two Big 10 tournament wins including our first over blue blood Indiana and a toe to toe battle with #8 Purdue gave the program and the fans a huge shot of needed adrenaline going into the recruiting season and next year. In what looked like another bleak end to the season for the long suffering RU hoops fans has perhaps turned into a peak into the harbinger of things to come in the future. Program became resilient when it could have folded and we should be nothing but proud of what these kids ended up accomplishing.

As for the game itself, when was the last time this program played a game on the big stage? Because that is what last night was. MSG was rocking with RU fans,. BTN, the announcers, and social media were talking the program up and not in the "aw look at Rutgers how cute they are" condescending way. That game had a NCAA feel to it. Players making plays back to back to back, answering each other. Purdue is a legitimate national title contender. This wasn't a case of a team playing down and typical scrappy RU making the game look ugly. No, Purdue had to play their A game to win. At one point they were 13-27 from three point land...and they needed every single one of them to win. RU played like a NCAA team. That performance last night would have won a first round 8/9 NCAA tournament game. RU played their A plus game.

Come tourney time whether it is conference tourney or NCAA tourney, great players show up. Corey Sanders maligned at times for not showing up against weaker competition and maligned for perhaps not having focus during the regular season shut up any critics by not only showing up but taking over. 3 games where Corey was in the absolute zone. His 3 game stat line.....32-60 fg....scoring 23, 28, and 23 points in the 3 games. Corey at his finest on back to back to back nights...something that had dogged him over the course of his 3 years at RU. You could see the confidence on this kids face. He did not have to prove it to himself. He already knew it, he was going to show it to everyone and that he did. Is this it for Corey at Rutgers? Only he knows. I think its put to bed any talk for now about the accelerating the timeline. Much of that argument is about being able to bring it every night no matter what the competition and to be able to help the team not hurt it. Of course, Corey does not need to put up these numbers every night and not sure anyone expects that but its always been about bringing it mentally. I think Corey should come back because he just increased his prospects for a pro career with these 3 games. Another year with some more of these consistent performances could really send his stock into orbit.

Mentioned Geo Baker in another thread I started but last night...um hello...WOW...10-20 shooting, 25 points on 4-9 shooting, zero turnovers. Looking every bit as good as Carson Edwards. This kid was literally sick....after being sick with the flu which made him a non entity even including the Minnesota opening round game.....Baker came into the Indiana game shooting 7-37 in the last 6 games with 19 poiints and 4 treys. He eclipsed that in just one game last night. That is showing the fight of a lion. Quiet confidence with Geo all year long. As a freshmen logging major minutes and forced to do too much and then bouncing back after hittting a wall and then sickness. This is the type of perfornance that can catapult him into another level next season.

How about Pikiell? He coached his heart out this tournament if you were watching him on the sideline. Seems incredibly blessed to be coaching this team and very appreciative of the support from the fans. He had his mistakes for sure this year in trying to recognize who should be playing more and who should be sitting but when it came to the tournament, he pushed all the right buttons and made all the right lineup moves. He and his staff had a great command of the pulse of this team over the past 3 days. The defensive preparation and focus on rebounding was the catalyst to get the offense going midway through that Indiana game. I do not know what he said to them down 24-8 but geez this team grew up several years in just a 90 second timeout. One thing to note about last night. Pike trusted in Sanders and Baker to take over the offense. RU really backed off from a lot of set plays and trying to force it as much inside. In the 2nd half, Pike knew he had to ride his two guard playmakers and with that trust came a great risk of danger but Pike was willing to let those players do it and they responded. In the prior game vs Indiana, there really was some brilliant offensive sets and everyone got involved so much different than the stagnant offense we were used to. I think Pikiell grew several years also in this tournament and not just gray hair either.

Have so much more to talk about going forward but maybe I need to wrap this up and start a part 2 in another thread. Oh lets mention the RU crowd. Didnt make it last night but was there for the Indiana game. Obviously the RU faithful showed up big time last night and it was noted several times by the announcers and BTN analysts about our support there and it just wasn't lip service. We have a sleeping fanbase that is desperate for any kind of winning. It is important to build on the support we saw the past 3 days and take that into next season. I will touch on this in the part 2 thread. Overall the Big 10 tourney here was a success despite all the snarky comments from the college hoops writers across the country. Much different and quite frankly much more pleasurable feel to it than the Big East tournament IMO.
Good stuff, bac. Really enjoy these insightful write-ups.
 
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The team has to start showing the ability to win road games in conference play.

When you start doing that you've arrived IMO.
Spot on comment.Road wins provide greater likelihood for a winning season,higher seeding in league tournament and more resonance for being selected for a post season bid(NIT,NCAA).
 
Well the past 3 days have been an unexpected treat for the fanbase. One week ago the regular season went out with a whimper with an uninspiring home loss to bottom feeder Illinois. A loss that seemed to highlight all the program's deficiencies and magnify the struggle that RU would likely have trying to move out the Big 10 basement going forward. But winning matters...you cannot have hope if you do not produce results on the court, you cannot give hope to the fans if you don't win some games. Two Big 10 tournament wins including our first over blue blood Indiana and a toe to toe battle with #8 Purdue gave the program and the fans a huge shot of needed adrenaline going into the recruiting season and next year. In what looked like another bleak end to the season for the long suffering RU hoops fans has perhaps turned into a peak into the harbinger of things to come in the future. Program became resilient when it could have folded and we should be nothing but proud of what these kids ended up accomplishing.

As for the game itself, when was the last time this program played a game on the big stage? Because that is what last night was. MSG was rocking with RU fans,. BTN, the announcers, and social media were talking the program up and not in the "aw look at Rutgers how cute they are" condescending way. That game had a NCAA feel to it. Players making plays back to back to back, answering each other. Purdue is a legitimate national title contender. This wasn't a case of a team playing down and typical scrappy RU making the game look ugly. No, Purdue had to play their A game to win. At one point they were 13-27 from three point land...and they needed every single one of them to win. RU played like a NCAA team. That performance last night would have won a first round 8/9 NCAA tournament game. RU played their A plus game.

Come tourney time whether it is conference tourney or NCAA tourney, great players show up. Corey Sanders maligned at times for not showing up against weaker competition and maligned for perhaps not having focus during the regular season shut up any critics by not only showing up but taking over. 3 games where Corey was in the absolute zone. His 3 game stat line.....32-60 fg....scoring 23, 28, and 23 points in the 3 games. Corey at his finest on back to back to back nights...something that had dogged him over the course of his 3 years at RU. You could see the confidence on this kids face. He did not have to prove it to himself. He already knew it, he was going to show it to everyone and that he did. Is this it for Corey at Rutgers? Only he knows. I think its put to bed any talk for now about the accelerating the timeline. Much of that argument is about being able to bring it every night no matter what the competition and to be able to help the team not hurt it. Of course, Corey does not need to put up these numbers every night and not sure anyone expects that but its always been about bringing it mentally. I think Corey should come back because he just increased his prospects for a pro career with these 3 games. Another year with some more of these consistent performances could really send his stock into orbit.

Mentioned Geo Baker in another thread I started but last night...um hello...WOW...10-20 shooting, 25 points on 4-9 shooting, zero turnovers. Looking every bit as good as Carson Edwards. This kid was literally sick....after being sick with the flu which made him a non entity even including the Minnesota opening round game.....Baker came into the Indiana game shooting 7-37 in the last 6 games with 19 poiints and 4 treys. He eclipsed that in just one game last night. That is showing the fight of a lion. Quiet confidence with Geo all year long. As a freshmen logging major minutes and forced to do too much and then bouncing back after hittting a wall and then sickness. This is the type of perfornance that can catapult him into another level next season.

How about Pikiell? He coached his heart out this tournament if you were watching him on the sideline. Seems incredibly blessed to be coaching this team and very appreciative of the support from the fans. He had his mistakes for sure this year in trying to recognize who should be playing more and who should be sitting but when it came to the tournament, he pushed all the right buttons and made all the right lineup moves. He and his staff had a great command of the pulse of this team over the past 3 days. The defensive preparation and focus on rebounding was the catalyst to get the offense going midway through that Indiana game. I do not know what he said to them down 24-8 but geez this team grew up several years in just a 90 second timeout. One thing to note about last night. Pike trusted in Sanders and Baker to take over the offense. RU really backed off from a lot of set plays and trying to force it as much inside. In the 2nd half, Pike knew he had to ride his two guard playmakers and with that trust came a great risk of danger but Pike was willing to let those players do it and they responded. In the prior game vs Indiana, there really was some brilliant offensive sets and everyone got involved so much different than the stagnant offense we were used to. I think Pikiell grew several years also in this tournament and not just gray hair either.

Have so much more to talk about going forward but maybe I need to wrap this up and start a part 2 in another thread. Oh lets mention the RU crowd. Didnt make it last night but was there for the Indiana game. Obviously the RU faithful showed up big time last night and it was noted several times by the announcers and BTN analysts about our support there and it just wasn't lip service. We have a sleeping fanbase that is desperate for any kind of winning. It is important to build on the support we saw the past 3 days and take that into next season. I will touch on this in the part 2 thread. Overall the Big 10 tourney here was a success despite all the snarky comments from the college hoops writers across the country. Much different and quite frankly much more pleasurable feel to it than the Big East tournament IMO.
bac- eagerly waiting for part 2 analysis which is discussion of the future .There are so many issues to discuss such as recruiting,fan base support and player development .Sanders decision will surely impact what happens next season and who gets playing time.
 
Also another thought.

Pikiell should have had Eugene in there more. Freeman struggled against Vince Edwards defensively.

Interesting counterpoint, because I agree with you: I was sitting among a group of Indiana fans. At one point, one of the guys turns around and says to me- "why is that #33 not in the game? He should never come out." I think Freeman really stepped up these 3 games and repaired his reputation after the benching. I'll miss him.
 
Also another thought.

Pikiell should have had Eugene in there more. Freeman struggled against Vince Edwards defensively.

Actually, Omoruyi struggled as much against V. Edwards as did Freeman. Omoruyi gave up back to back open 3's to Edwards when he did not get out to him, or even stepped back away from Edwards at least once. Also, Omoruyi had 2 really bad decision turnovers, and was relatively invisible on the boards.

That said, Freeman struggles against really tall defenders, in a way Omoruyi does not, and the offense tends to flow a little better with Omoruyi in there over Freeman.

Well ... not to worry, but RU fans will not have to complain about Omoruyi versus Freeman next season. Though fans will find something to complain about ... Omoruyi versus Shaq Carter? Carter versus Myles Johnson? Thiam versus Kiss versus Mathis?

RU played great in this game. Pikiell coached great. Sanders and Baker were terrific. And Purdue took 30 of their 50 FG attempts from 3-point range, making 13. RU made 5 3-pointers - because RU simply has fewer and worse 3-point shooters, maybe than any team in the country, certainly than any team in the Big Ten. RU lost by 7 points. Purdue made 8 3-pointers more than RU did ... do the math. RU wins if Purdue has an off shooting night, but to Purdue's credit, they had a good 3-point shooting night. Purdue probably had a B+ game for them, while RU played an A or A- game (not A+ - a few too many easy shots allowed for Purdue, a couple of key fouls while Purdue was shooting, including I think on 2 3-point attempts ... RU was A to A+ for offense, and A-, to B+ for defense, in my opinion).)
 
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Well the past 3 days have been an unexpected treat for the fanbase. One week ago the regular season went out with a whimper with an uninspiring home loss to bottom feeder Illinois. A loss that seemed to highlight all the program's deficiencies and magnify the struggle that RU would likely have trying to move out the Big 10 basement going forward. But winning matters...you cannot have hope if you do not produce results on the court, you cannot give hope to the fans if you don't win some games. Two Big 10 tournament wins including our first over blue blood Indiana and a toe to toe battle with #8 Purdue gave the program and the fans a huge shot of needed adrenaline going into the recruiting season and next year. In what looked like another bleak end to the season for the long suffering RU hoops fans has perhaps turned into a peak into the harbinger of things to come in the future. Program became resilient when it could have folded and we should be nothing but proud of what these kids ended up accomplishing.

As for the game itself, when was the last time this program played a game on the big stage? Because that is what last night was. MSG was rocking with RU fans,. BTN, the announcers, and social media were talking the program up and not in the "aw look at Rutgers how cute they are" condescending way. That game had a NCAA feel to it. Players making plays back to back to back, answering each other. Purdue is a legitimate national title contender. This wasn't a case of a team playing down and typical scrappy RU making the game look ugly. No, Purdue had to play their A game to win. At one point they were 13-27 from three point land...and they needed every single one of them to win. RU played like a NCAA team. That performance last night would have won a first round 8/9 NCAA tournament game. RU played their A plus game.

Come tourney time whether it is conference tourney or NCAA tourney, great players show up. Corey Sanders maligned at times for not showing up against weaker competition and maligned for perhaps not having focus during the regular season shut up any critics by not only showing up but taking over. 3 games where Corey was in the absolute zone. His 3 game stat line.....32-60 fg....scoring 23, 28, and 23 points in the 3 games. Corey at his finest on back to back to back nights...something that had dogged him over the course of his 3 years at RU. You could see the confidence on this kids face. He did not have to prove it to himself. He already knew it, he was going to show it to everyone and that he did. Is this it for Corey at Rutgers? Only he knows. I think its put to bed any talk for now about the accelerating the timeline. Much of that argument is about being able to bring it every night no matter what the competition and to be able to help the team not hurt it. Of course, Corey does not need to put up these numbers every night and not sure anyone expects that but its always been about bringing it mentally. I think Corey should come back because he just increased his prospects for a pro career with these 3 games. Another year with some more of these consistent performances could really send his stock into orbit.

Mentioned Geo Baker in another thread I started but last night...um hello...WOW...10-20 shooting, 25 points on 4-9 shooting, zero turnovers. Looking every bit as good as Carson Edwards. This kid was literally sick....after being sick with the flu which made him a non entity even including the Minnesota opening round game.....Baker came into the Indiana game shooting 7-37 in the last 6 games with 19 poiints and 4 treys. He eclipsed that in just one game last night. That is showing the fight of a lion. Quiet confidence with Geo all year long. As a freshmen logging major minutes and forced to do too much and then bouncing back after hittting a wall and then sickness. This is the type of perfornance that can catapult him into another level next season.

How about Pikiell? He coached his heart out this tournament if you were watching him on the sideline. Seems incredibly blessed to be coaching this team and very appreciative of the support from the fans. He had his mistakes for sure this year in trying to recognize who should be playing more and who should be sitting but when it came to the tournament, he pushed all the right buttons and made all the right lineup moves. He and his staff had a great command of the pulse of this team over the past 3 days. The defensive preparation and focus on rebounding was the catalyst to get the offense going midway through that Indiana game. I do not know what he said to them down 24-8 but geez this team grew up several years in just a 90 second timeout. One thing to note about last night. Pike trusted in Sanders and Baker to take over the offense. RU really backed off from a lot of set plays and trying to force it as much inside. In the 2nd half, Pike knew he had to ride his two guard playmakers and with that trust came a great risk of danger but Pike was willing to let those players do it and they responded. In the prior game vs Indiana, there really was some brilliant offensive sets and everyone got involved so much different than the stagnant offense we were used to. I think Pikiell grew several years also in this tournament and not just gray hair either.

Have so much more to talk about going forward but maybe I need to wrap this up and start a part 2 in another thread. Oh lets mention the RU crowd. Didnt make it last night but was there for the Indiana game. Obviously the RU faithful showed up big time last night and it was noted several times by the announcers and BTN analysts about our support there and it just wasn't lip service. We have a sleeping fanbase that is desperate for any kind of winning. It is important to build on the support we saw the past 3 days and take that into next season. I will touch on this in the part 2 thread. Overall the Big 10 tourney here was a success despite all the snarky comments from the college hoops writers across the country. Much different and quite frankly much more pleasurable feel to it than the Big East tournament IMO.
One of your best posts ever!
 
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I know our fan base gets ragged on a lot but we always--and I mean always--even in our darkest days had a good fanbase for both football and baseketball. The problem is we never win anything to feed the fans. Bac remembers I'm sure, but in 1989 (year after we won the A10) student season tickets sold out 108,109, 110 and several sections in the 300s as well. All it takes is one good year.
 
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Actually, Omoruyi struggled as much against V. Edwards as did Freeman. Omoruyi gave up back to back open 3's to Edwards when he did not get out to him, or even stepped back away from Edwards at least once. Also, Omoruyi had 2 really bad decision turnovers, and was relatively invisible on the boards.

That said, Freeman struggles against really tall defenders, in a way Omoruyi does not, and the offense tends to flow a little better with Omoruyi in there over Freeman.

Well ... not to worry, but RU fans will not have to complain about Omoruyi versus Freeman next season. Though fans will find something to complain about ... Omoruyi versus Shaq Carter? Carter versus Myles Johnson? Thiam versus Kiss versus Mathis?

RU played great in this game. Pikiell coached great. Sanders and Baker were terrific. And Purdue took 30 of their 50 FG attempts from 3-point range, making 13. RU made 5 3-pointers - because RU simply has fewer and worse 3-point shooters, maybe than any team in the country, certainly than any team in the Big Ten. RU lost by 7 points. Purdue made 8 3-pointers more than RU did ... do the math. RU wins if Purdue has an off shooting night, but to Purdue's credit, they had a good 3-point shooting night. Purdue probably had a B+ game for them, while RU played an A or A- game (not A+ - a few too many easy shots allowed for Purdue, a couple of key fouls while Purdue was shooting, including I think on 2 3-point attempts ... RU was A to A+ for offense, and A-, to B+ for defense, in my opinion).)

I have a selective memory, but I do now recall Edwards hitting a few threes over Eugene where he was late.

One interesting debate to have...rolling the dice vs. Haas OR maybe more when Haarns in the game. Eugene and Freeman playing together vs. 40 minutes of a true 5
 
Way back, when playing Princeton, Gary waters would say you had to choose: defend the backdoor cut or defend the three and threes were worth more. I think I would choose to let Haas get his if it meant you could stop purdue’s 3s but they shoot so well, who knows if that would work.
 
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thanks but I really need to make up for my emotional posts cursing out the team after being down 17-3/24-8 in the Indiana game thread:oops:
It's called in the heat of the moment, because you care so damn much. I know. I've been guilty of it and had to apologize to a few of our posters here.
 
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I know our fan base gets ragged on a lot but we always--and I mean always--even in our darkest days had a good fanbase for both football and baseketball. The problem is we never win anything to feed the fans. Bac remembers I'm sure, but in 1989 (year after we won the A10) student season tickets sold out 108,109, 110 and several sections in the 300s as well. All it takes is one good year.


packed student sections where you had to get your tix for that month in advance...think they distributed student tix monthly, and you had to sit in your section, so you grabbed all your friends IDs and then stood in line early because if you didnt get there in time, you would be given 300 level tickets...thats how big the fervor was in the student section 89-92....and remember thats not even including the students who paid like $25 or $30 for student season tix.. We would pack the joint for the conferences whipping boy St Bonaventure in a NIT season. For our games against Iowa and Northwestern this year the student attendance was dismal and besides a hard 50-60 the section like churchmouses
 
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It's called in the heat of the moment, because you care so damn much. I know. I've been guilty of it and had to apologize to a few of our posters here.


yes I know at times Ive seen you do it too. I agree with you, yeah maybe we shouldnt be posting our emotions but the game thread reflects our thoughts at the moment, thats what its for...last night was one of the most positive game threads in a loss that i have ever seen
 
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yes --a couple of wins really change how some fans think of an RU team----go back a week and boy are the posts different--some blow in the wind
 
rusojo--you are so on target and it happens time and time again
 
One of the subtle items I noticed during this run was an increase in interior passes to big men from guys driving to the basket. Now the problem is that guys like Doorson, Thiam, O, and Freeman are limited either athletically or strength wise to catch and go up efficiently amid the opposition's big men. Not their fault really, just the way it is. What is encouraging, however, is that folks were making these passes off of drives. It did not happen all that often, but more prevalent than in the past.

Next season we could conceivably see this more often - which could improve offense in a material way. Thiam and O have to get stronger. They can also offset a lack of elite athleticism by improving foot work when they receive ball down low - whether off an interior pass, or when posting up. Even Doorson can make improvements in his ability to catch interior passes and go up stronger. No idea what Carter or Johnson bring on that issue.

Too early to tell what next season looks like, but this type of wrinkle in offense started to appear, even if in small doses. With improvement outlined above could make for a nice improvement.
 
I know our fan base gets ragged on a lot but we always--and I mean always--even in our darkest days had a good fanbase for both football and baseketball. The problem is we never win anything to feed the fans. Bac remembers I'm sure, but in 1989 (year after we won the A10) student season tickets sold out 108,109, 110 and several sections in the 300s as well. All it takes is one good year.

Yup

Taking it a bit further....after the big east tourney run, the year after we averaged 7500 plus per game ...for a team that looked NCAA. Bound and ended up in the NIt

Bet if Corey comes back ...we get our attendance average well over 6000 per game next year ...a big junk
 
One of the subtle items I noticed during this run was an increase in interior passes to big men from guys driving to the basket. Now the problem is that guys like Doorson, Thiam, O, and Freeman are limited either athletically or strength wise to catch and go up efficiently amid the opposition's big men. Not their fault really, just the way it is. What is encouraging, however, is that folks were making these passes off of drives. It did not happen all that often, but more prevalent than in the past.

Next season we could conceivably see this more often - which could improve offense in a material way. Thiam and O have to get stronger. They can also offset a lack of elite athleticism by improving foot work when they receive ball down low - whether off an interior pass, or when posting up. Even Doorson can make improvements in his ability to catch interior passes and go up stronger. No idea what Carter or Johnson bring on that issue.

Too early to tell what next season looks like, but this type of wrinkle in offense started to appear, even if in small doses. With improvement outlined above could make for a nice improvement.


what impressed me in the Indiana game with Eugene were two specific baskets he made...received the pass then patiently dribble and back in on his man and used his strength to make the shot...had not see that much at all this year and usually this kind of shot would be blocked or be too strong. I realize Indiana didnt have much size but to me thats a good sign for next year in the interior...for Purdue, he wasnt going to be able to do that and Pike realized that. Doorson really needs to improve his handling and awareness, we went to him twice in the first half and he just had stone hands.
 
I wanted to read this, I really did, but when someone says the team has no balls or pride mid game and then rides the success once it comes as if they never said the former....well I’d just prefer to ignore it.


there is an ignore button if you want
 
Bac crushes this summary....

I will toss in the other responses here which are also excellent as well.

There are some wheels turning now because i believe we are now in full roller coaster mode....That is where i thought we would be in 2019-2020....this is the violent sequences of inconsistent plays players and that's where next year is.

It's not the right day or weekend to overload on recruiting this quick after the end of the season, but these last 72 plus hours may have helped push 2019 recruiting forward this summer. There are more players than spots so keep in mind not every name on the radar is out yet....once it is, folks will be uber confident...!
 
packed student sections where you had to get your tix for that month in advance...think they distributed student tix monthly, and you had to sit in your section, so you grabbed all your friends IDs and then stood in line early because if you didnt get there in time, you would be given 300 level tickets...thats how big the fervor was in the student section 89-92....and remember thats not even including the students who paid like $25 or $30 for student season tix.. We would pack the joint for the conferences whipping boy St Bonaventure in a NIT season. For our games against Iowa and Northwestern this year the student attendance was dismal and besides a hard 50-60 the section like churchmouses
It was like that through 99 too especially during the Billet years.
 
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Vince Edwards shot 2-9 (0-3) today in beating PSU. Carsen Edwards was unstoppable again from deep. We win yesterday if these stats happened. Luck of the draw.
 
thanks but I really need to make up for my emotional posts cursing out the team after being down 17-3/24-8 in the Indiana game thread:oops:
Great part 1 - always enjoy your summaries. And game threads should never be analyzed too closely, since almost everyone freaks out at some points - it's just stream-of-consciousness stuff akin to what we all say to each other when we're at a game. What a great run and we're certainly on our way back to respectability and, I think, the NCAAs within the next few years.
 
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