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1. Can’t take too much from this game, as Wagner was not a good team. But there were some good signs (and a couple of not-so-good signs) nonetheless.

2. Dylan with an all around good game, played like an established veteran, creating scoring chances for himself and others. Had 20 pts, 3 rebounds, and 4 assists and 9-14 from the field. He is sooo good “at the rim.” Guarantee he will be practicing FTs tonight at the APC after going 1-6 at the line.

3. Pleasant surprise of the night was the play of Lathan Sommerville. Went for 11 and 8 and had some nifty post moves, plus he was more aggressive in rebounding the ball.

4. But (current) starting C Manny Ogbole was a complete non-factor. He’s just very stiff and unskilled. Pike needs to continue to force feed Sommerville to get him ready for the big opponents.

5. The offense generally functioned well, with good ball movement, ZERO guys just dribbling with nowhere to go and ZERO hoisting up desperation shots late in the clock. We consistently got really good looks, with guys making the extra pass. The fact that we went 7-23 (30%) doesn’t concern me, as there wasn’t a “bad” shot among them. The guys that we WANT shooting threes (Martini, Harper, Hayes, Acuff) were a solid 6-16 (37.5%).

6. Acuff still looked rusty, but hitting that three late in the game was really important to give him confidence. That shot could unlock his potential.

7. Absolutely love PJ Hayes. Kid is a baller, plays better defense than we all thought he would, and has a money stroke. Had 12 points on 4-6 (2-4).

8. JMike with a solid floor game, with the usual good on-ball defense (plus 2 blocks and a steal), but also 5 assists and 0 turnovers. He was also 3-4 at the line. He was 0-3 from deep, but I didn’t hate any of those shots.

9. We won handily, that’s all that matters without our best offensive player and after a slow/ragged start.
 
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1. Can’t take too much from this game, as Wagner was not a good team. But there were some good signs (and a couple of not-so-good signs) nonetheless.

2. Dylan with an all around good game, played like an established veteran, creating scoring chances for himself and others. Had 20 pts, 3 rebounds, and 4 assists and 9-14 from the field. He is sooo good “at the rim.” Guarantee he will be practicing FTs tonight at the APC after going 1-6 at the line.

3. Pleasant surprise of the night was the play of Lathan Sommerville. Went for 11 and 8 and had some nifty post moves, plus he was more aggressive in rebounding the ball.

4. But (current) starting C Manny Ogbole was a complete non-factor. He’s just very stiff and unskilled. Pike needs to continue to force feed Sommerville to get him ready for the big opponents.

5. The offense generally functioned well, with good ball movement, ZERO guys just dribbling with nowhere to go and ZERO hoisting up desperation shots late in the clock. We consistently got really good looks, with guys making the extra pass. The fact that we went 7-23 (30%) doesn’t concern me, as there wasn’t a “bad” shot among them. The guys that we WANT shooting threes (Martini, Harper, Hayes, Acuff) were a solid 6-16 (37.5%).

6. Acuff still looked rusty, but hitting that three late in the game was really important to give him confidence. That shot could unlock his potential.

7. Absolutely love PJ Hayes. Kid is a baller, plays better defense than we all thought he would, and has a money stroke. Had 12 points on 4-6 (2-4).

8. JMike with a solid floor game, with the usual good on-ball defense (plus 2 blocks and a steal), but also 5 assists and 0 turnovers. He was also 3-4 at the line. He was 0-3 from deep, but I didn’t hate any of those shots.

9. We won handily, that’s all that matters without our best offensive player and after a slow/ragged start.
My only worry was rebounding but remember this offense was practicing with Ace for 2 months and then all of a sudden he was not playing so I think the offense is going to be just fine and it will only be a matter of time before Lathan is starting
 
The only real takeaway is we might have something in Lathan. It also can’t overstated how good Harper is but that’s been stated ad nauseam
Yes, Lathan looked very good tonight and in much better shape than I expected.
 
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Pretty much had the same thoughts as you. Interior D and rebounding continue to be a problem. Lathan with 8 boards was a nice site. Need our wings to gang rebound since we don’t have a pure rebounder
 
Two games for ogbole, 2 fights. Not a lot going on upstairs there. Thankfully Somerville looks promising
 
We’re a smaller team and rebounding will be a challenge, but the effort was there. Saw our guards going for boards and that’s what we’ll need - gang rebounding.
First half rebounding was good second half not so good
 
Nice summary. Harper is so smooth, yet explosive and is usually looking for the best play. Very pleasantly surprised by Somerville's play and all the rest of the pieces played nice, complementary basketball both on O and D (mostly).

Did folks catch Hayes's goofy bobblehead celebration after his made 3 in the 2nd half? Cracked us up, as it was right in front of us.
 
Expected to see much better play from Derkack but Martini and Sommerville exceeded my expectations so a net positive from those three.

Unfortunately Davis is still an untalented shot hunter and often out of control The team has enough depth and defenders to keep him on the bench if it were up to Shelby.

Overall grade B
 
Nice summary. Harper is so smooth, yet explosive and is usually looking for the best play. Very pleasantly surprised by Somerville's play and all the rest of the pieces played nice, complementary basketball both on O and D (mostly).

Did folks catch Hayes's goofy bobblehead celebration after his made 3 in the 2nd half? Cracked us up, as it was right in front of us.
Yes we were laughing however remember we got T’ed up last year for that type of celebration twice last year
 
My additional random thoughts:

A lot of competitive dudes this year. Martini. Derkack. JMike. Hayes. Lathan. All played with a ton of desire/passion. Something we were sorely missing last year

Surprised Hayes isn't a captain. You could see him coaching and encouraging everyone.

JMike a very nice extra pass near the end of the game to a wide open Martini who drained it from top of the arc. I was convinced he was going to take a 3 himself, but he recognized Martini was open.

Speaking of which, so many open looks from 3 tonight. Let's see if that continues.

Dylan drawing contact on a second half layup for an and-one. Veteran move.

Ace looked a little gimpy. Nothing crazy

Ogbole seems to have a tendency to get into it too much with the opposing team. Needs to stop.
 
Expected to see much better play from Derkack but Martini and Sommerville exceeded my expectations so a net positive from those three.

Unfortunately Davis is still an untalented shot hunter and often out of control The team has enough depth and defenders to keep him on the bench if it were up to Shelby.

Overall grade B
Derkack looked fine. What are you talking about?

Acuff looked rusty but you can tell talent is there - had a defender on skates towards the end of the game before blowing the layup.
 
Derkack looked fine. What are you talking about?

Acuff looked rusty but you can tell talent is there - had a defender on skates towards the end of the game before blowing the layup.
Derkack got blown by a couple times defensively. He's a pest though. Hustle guy, not great offensively. Moves the ball and rebounds.
 
Derkack looked fine. What are you talking about?

Acuff looked rusty but you can tell talent is there - had a defender on skates towards the end of the game before blowing the layup.
I didn’t see enough of Acuff (barely played in second half) to form a strong opinion but offensively I didn’t see much promise. And no, Derkack hustled but played poorly on both ends. Seemed clumsy and uncoordinated on O. Just one game but that doesn’t change.

But as stated I wasn’t expecting Martini or Sommerville to play as well as they did … on both ends.
 
Good summary.
Thanks for posting. The main thing I disagree with is your comment on J Mike. I hate every single 3 he attempts because I know he’s a sub 30% three-point shooter this year.
He would be so much better if he realized he’s not the 1st or 2nd or 3rd scoring option on the floor!
 
Expected to see much better play from Derkack but Martini and Sommerville exceeded my expectations so a net positive from those three.

Unfortunately Davis is still an untalented shot hunter and often out of control The team has enough depth and defenders to keep him on the bench if it were up to Shelby.

Overall grade B
Thanks for your mean-spirited assessment that proves you know jack-squat about basketball. The 'untalented shot hunter' had 5 assists, 0 turnovers, 3 boards, 2 blocks, 1 steal, and solid on-ball defense.
 
Thanks for your mean-spirited assessment that proves you know jack-squat about basketball. The 'untalented shot hunter' had 5 assists, 0 turnovers, 3 boards, 2 blocks, 1 steal, and solid on-ball defense.
Thanks for your brilliance Mr. Wooden. Nothing in the stat line you cite suggests he’s a good offensive player. He’s not. He wasn’t last year and he won’t be this year. .Shot hunter is exactly what he is…but not a shot maker.

Good defender, yes, but irrelevant to my statement
 
Thanks for your mean-spirited assessment that proves you know jack-squat about basketball. The 'untalented shot hunter' had 5 assists, 0 turnovers, 3 boards, 2 blocks, 1 steal, and solid on-ball defense.
He’s unplayable!

As we mover forward into actual real competition we cannot play JMike. Great on ball defender against smaller guards.

Cannot create a shot, out of control, and cannot shoot at all. We can not pay 4 on 5. You saw a little zone tonight against us, as Wagner tried to keep Dylan away from the basket. Will continue to see zone when Ace is back. Dylan and Ace will draw all of the attention and double teams. JMike helps Zero percent spreading and spacing the floor.
You have to minimize his time and put more shooting on the floor.
Will not be an issue in the lesser games but big ten play and Vegas it will be exposed.
 
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Thanks for your brilliance Mr. Wooden. Nothing in the stat line you cite suggests he’s a good offensive player. He’s not. He wasn’t last year and he won’t be this year. .Shot hunter is exactly what he is…but not a shot maker.

Good defender, yes, but irrelevant to my statement
Did you see him finish through contact under the basket? He definitely didn't look clumsy and uncoordinated. Kid is a baller.
 
Thanks for your brilliance Mr. Wooden. Nothing in the stat line you cite suggests he’s a good offensive player. He’s not. He wasn’t last year and he won’t be this year. .Shot hunter is exactly what he is…but not a shot maker.

Good defender, yes, but irrelevant to my statement
Shot hunter? JMike took 4 shots in 26 minutes — fewest shots on the team except for Ogbole (5 minutes) and Grant (3 minutes). He also led the team in passes that led to baskets by other guys, aka assists, with 5.

I understand he’s not a good shot MAKER, but in this game at least, he certainly didn’t go out of his way to steal shots.
 
Out of town and missed the opener, did Ogbole get hurt or did he just not see time?

Box score only shows 5 minutes for him, is that accurate?

Martini at 4 and Lathan at 5 most of the game?
 
Thanks for your brilliance Mr. Wooden. Nothing in the stat line you cite suggests he’s a good offensive player. He’s not. He wasn’t last year and he won’t be this year. .Shot hunter is exactly what he is…but not a shot maker.

Good defender, yes, but irrelevant to my statement
Linzalonjc is correct and you are incorrect. And not even close.

Davis was terrific last night, the only flaws being 0-3 from 3. Each 3 pt attempt was the correct play and wide open. He was FAR from a shot hunter... Very far. And how do we know this? NOT ONE TWO-POINT ATTEMPT. Several times he drove into the lane, and where in other games he may have tried an ill-advised shot against 2 or 3 on 1, against much taller players, in THIS game at least he took not one single shot, instead passing the ball out of the paint to open teammates. He consistently kept the ball moving and sought and made the extra pass.

Davis played an excellent floor game, making good decisions and good executions of said decisions.

5 assists, 0 turnovers and 0 forced or bad shots is a very good game from anyone. And, between him and j. Williams, they completely harassed, befuddled and smothered Wagner's best player, their PG.

I'll do my own post mortem post later today, FYI.
 
5 assists, 0 turnovers, 3 boards, 2 blocks, 1 steal, 4 shot attempts in 26 minutes

Doesn’t sound like a “shot hunter” to me. Sounds like quite the opposite. Sounds like a kid playing his role perfectly

perhaps he was a “shot hunter” last year because pike didn’t hold him back because we were so desperate offensively , but

perhaps pike is getting through to the kid and has explained that his aggression on the offensive end last year is NOT needed this year (we have MANY other better scoring options) so he would much better serve the team by DOING WHAT HE DID LAST NIGHT

Perhaps we all (particularly Shelby) should see if this kid (one game into his soph season btw) has evolved his game beyond the “shot hunter” label shelby has given the kid. Last night was a good sign that it’s possible that he has
 
Shot hunter? JMike took 4 shots in 26 minutes — fewest shots on the team except for Ogbole (5 minutes) and Grant (3 minutes). He also led the team in passes that led to baskets by other guys, aka assists, with 5.

I understand he’s not a good shot MAKER, but in this game at least, he certainly didn’t go out of his way to steal shots.
And don’t forget he made his free throws which is where he will help the offense… this board is so full of constant bad takes
 
Did you see him finish through contact under the basket? He definitely didn't look clumsy and uncoordinated. Kid is a baller.
I did. Reminded me of my own oafish, unathletic driving and finishing cringey ball back in the day. Takes one to know one I guess. No fluidity. Clumsy. Agree on the D hustle, which is important, but am not seeing much contribution on offense.
 
Lathan is going to need some help in post defense against bigger centers and that’s where JMike will be needed. He does a good job digging down on the big men. He’ll get minutes just for that. He had a good game and will also be the number 2 point guard.
 
Lathan is going to need some help in post defense against bigger centers and that’s where JMike will be needed. He does a good job digging down on the big men. He’ll get minutes just for that. He had a good game and will also be the number 2 point guard.
So we compound a problem of Sommerville guarding in space by putting a player who is a bigger problem with his complete lack of offensive ability?

Jmike can have his minutes in these early games but is unplayable in Vegas and in big ten play. Having him and Jwill on the court together is just bad coaching.

Pike hopefully figures it out as guys gets healthy and get comfortable with each other.
 
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So we compound a problem of Sommerville guarding in space by putting a player who is a bigger problem with his complete lack of offensive ability?

Jmike can have his minutes in these early games but is unplayable in Vegas and in big ten play. Having him and Jwill on the court together is just bad coaching.

Pike hopefully figures it out as guys gets healthy and get comfortable with each other.
Expect JMike to play 20+ minutes a game. That’s my prediction.
 
Expect JMike to play 20+ minutes a game. That’s my prediction.
I agree Pike has a blind spot for him.
He will cost us plenty if he plays those types of minutes.

I love everything about JMike hustle and energy but he is unplayable. As we move forward into Vegas and big ten play he is too small, not strong enough, and gives you Zero on the offensive end.

Dylan should have the ball at PG. Dlyan demands a double every time he has the ball and is an elite decision maker. Which means someone will always be wide open for a jump shot. No one on this board would choose JMIKE to take that shot over Martini, Hayes, Acuff(when healthy). Sorry Jmike is not the guy who should be shooting that shot!

This team will not reach its ceiling if he is playing 20+ min
 
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