This is nothing new - last year there were people intolerant of anything negative said about Flood and people intolerant of anyone defending Flood
RE: the article about Ash's Plan details
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This is nothing new - last year there were people intolerant of anything negative said about Flood and people intolerant of anyone defending Flood
It's fair to be skeptical of course, but also very reasonable to be encouraged by Ash's attention to detail and very specific planned improvements. I for one like what he is doing/saying, and am cautiously optimistic.
Yes, all the time.
And I see the NY Times linking Washington Post articles, and NJ.com linking APP articles, etc.
It is pretty common. When news organizations repeat something something reported by a competing news organization, they almost always indicate that the information was reported by the other news organization, and include a link online.
LOL. Do you see "moderators" on CBS forums deleting every mention of ESPN, or vice versa? There's a reason CBS and ESPN are 1000x more successful than Rivals. Part of it is attitude. Can you imagine if Google deleted every reference to Yahoo? If JPM Chase refused to allow communication with BofA, Citi, WF? Utterly absurd. Someone earlier said it's hubris -- maybe that's true, but I think it's mainly just immaturity. It's puerile.
Here's the thing:
Flood, for some reason, some posters/fans - very few mind you, very, very few - STILL hold very near and dear to their hearts. They still insist that he was a "good guy" who got a "raw deal" while ignoring the facts, and things people tried to tell them 2+ years ago, about this guy. It's okay to rip on Anderson, Graber, Shea, or Schiano, and now Ash, but NOT Flood, the guy who, by far, should reap the most criticism for the shit he pulled, and for the program he nearly destroyed, while head coach OTB.
I agree completely - I was just pointing out that the narrative that all the sudden this board has become intolerant of any one who isn't all in on Ash is untrue. There were and still are people who will come after anyone who speaks badly of Flood (or Schiano for that matter). Its not unique to this board - it is for better or worse the life on internet messages boards.
I also think there is a bit of a catch 22 with the "just let Flood go" argument by his supporters. Everything we are seeing is either building upon or changing his work for the last 4 years. If we didn't draw comparisons we would have nothing to base opinions off of. The problem is once someone compares it to what was previously done it tends to get off topic quickly and is a Flood battle.
I seethe every time I see the good guy thing talked about...and we all now know why.
Having a 24/7 cafe is great not sure how we never had one. I still remember 8 years ago waiting in line at Busch takeout to get wings/nuggets and mashed potatoes/fries (sometimes all four) at 11PM with football players right next to me...
I bet that's good fuel for practice the next day...
I bet that's good fuel for practice the next day...
Gotta get a chuckle out of those downplaying Ash's plan. This is some GREAT stuff, all-around, rejoice my friends rejoice!!
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My friend you know damn well if Golden or Mario had laid out this exact plan you'd be droooooooling all over it! Com'on!
I love the focus on the 95%+ of the program that will not play on Sunday's. Programs are not made by the few who earn the glory. The foundation of a program comes from the rank and file who grind every day, bust their chops, and do the right thing. It creates a destination type program. It creates a positive perception which will generate more interest from the higher level talent. If your focus is the 5 Star player, you will rarely get him. If your focus is developing every player, players will want to be part of the program.
There is a difference one is a Pied Piper who will lead with examples, the others (Golden especially) are like Harold Hill (Music Man)
None of this matters as 90% of this board will crucify the new staff if they don't light the world on fire in the first year. Hell, some folks can't even deal with going into the second quarter down by 3.
Hey, I agree, just pointing out to my buddy Al that he would be swooning if either of those 2 guys enacted the same plan that Ash has enacted.
That's my line.
The tough part about those types is sometimes we don't know until they're gone from River City how bad they left us.
I don't want to speak for any other news entity. But yes, it is common practice. I just had one story today (written last night) that credited and linked two other outlets, one a national website and the other a major metro. It is not rare at all.
We all wish we had what Al smokes. and yes he is still pining over not hiring Golden who was FIRED BY MIAMI<<< Al that should tell you something!!!
He will come around late 2016
That is a great article. And that is why you hire a guy who has been around winners. He knows exactly what these programs have and do that makes them successful.
The only part I take umbrage with his the graduation thing. GS started it, and the kids in the program have put in a lot of work and graduated at a high clip. I like that he is focused on potentially making it better, but it has been very good.
Everyone should read that article. That will tell you how much better things are going to get here across the board.
The only part I take umbrage with his the graduation thing. GS started it, and the kids in the program have put in a lot of work and graduated at a high clip. I like that he is focused on potentially making it better, but it has been very good.
Everyone should read that article. That will tell you how much better things are going to get here across the board.
True but not just the worshippers. The Flood haters have to stop as well. He is GONE. It's over. We will all move on. And I agree with you that it is hard to believe you can take any negative from the article. Let's get behind these guys and cheer them on.
Says the kIng of the pom-pom waving.
BTW, I found the article interesting
But I can see where Levaos is coming from....sounds like Schiano when he got here....just hope he can recruit like Schiano.
That's great another thread to bash the poor marching band. When are they going to get the Ash treatment?
I'm skeptical that you're more naturally skeptical than I am. And I'm very skeptical that all you are is skeptical. Perhaps that's all that it is. But you are also conveying, through your words here, a great deal of antagonism towards Ash and crew. If that's not your intent, then perhaps you should work on that great human virtue known as good communication skills.
The only part I take umbrage with is your choice of word "started it" you would be better served and correct in saying Schiano Returned to it. Before the three musketeers Shea Grabar and Anderson, Coach Frank Burns had a +97% graduation rate who learned it from his mentor who had also a +97% graduation rate. Yes dear old Rutgers was very successful graduation rate for over 25 years.
Those two also had a 97% white player rate too, didn't they ?
It was a different era and Rutgers had little interest in competing with the BIG BOYS in college football.
IMHO there is a major difference in the 2 sides at this time:
1) talking about the past regimes is done all the time whether it's Anderson, Graber, Shea, or Schiano. It's part of our history, PLAIN AND SIMPLE, and WILL be discussed, good, bad, or ugly, so long as the discussions are factual.
2) the Flood lovers have no issue talking about previous football HC's, or OTHER sports HC's, but don't want anyone to EVER speak the truth about Flood, and what happened while he was here/the problems he caused, and it's quite disturbing to be honest. I was a huge Tim Pernetti fan, have known Tim and been "friends" with him since we were classmates, but once he was fired I realized, and openly discussed, the fact that he made mistakes, possibly some big ones, and never, ever, shot anyone down for discussing his faults. Same with Julie. Liked her a lot, however, she made her mistakes and I fully understand people will talk about them. It's 100% NORMAL to do so IMHO.
People need to DEAL WITH THE FACT that Flood will always be talked about - the good, the bad, AND the ugly - it's part of our history. Period.
If true, I didn't know that. Rutgers should do a better job of promoting that when possible.
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I am a teacher and do not have access to the internet most of the day. In fact, I generally only check the site if I receive a call from someone asking me to do so. With that said, when I am not on the board, the moderators do their best to keep the peace and to moderate in a way in which they feel I would understand/approve. The issue of content from other sites is a grey area, as we have had many, many, many people over the years try to use our forum to send traffic to their site - whether that site is a news site, personal blog, or retail site. We also get people who have been banned who, in turn, get upset and decide to "get even" by creating a new log-in and posting links to a competing site.
It is a lot for me to ask a moderator to try to discern between all of the possibilities above, which is why they often just delete posts linking to competing sites - particularly when that site is a competing "premium" info site. They often err on the side of caution.
If this article was a free article and the person posting it had no intention of trying to divert traffic for his own good or to get back at a moderator decision, it probably should have stayed. We will regroup as a moderator team and discuss.
Thank you.
I am a teacher and do not have access to the internet most of the day. In fact, I generally only check the site if I receive a call from someone asking me to do so. With that said, when I am not on the board, the moderators do their best to keep the peace and to moderate in a way in which they feel I would understand/approve. The issue of content from other sites is a grey area, as we have had many, many, many people over the years try to use our forum to send traffic to their site - whether that site is a news site, personal blog, or retail site. We also get people who have been banned who, in turn, get upset and decide to "get even" by creating a new log-in and posting links to a competing site.
It is a lot for me to ask a moderator to try to discern between all of the possibilities above, which is why they often just delete posts linking to competing sites - particularly when that site is a competing "premium" info site. They often err on the side of caution.
If this article was a free article and the person posting it had no intention of trying to divert traffic for his own good or to get back at a moderator decision, it probably should have stayed. We will regroup as a moderator team and discuss.
Thank you.
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