Remember that time Schiano finished 1st or 2nd in the Big East???

[sodakboy93]

Going back to Greg Schiano is like going back to your ex that you were with for many years. There was a reason why you were together so long, but there was also a reason why you started fighting at the end of the relationship before the breakup.

Sure, there might be a honeymoon period when you get back together. But at the end of the day the same nagging problems are going to re-surface. And besides, can you really trust him after he left you for a better model? Who's to say that won't happen again?

I get the idea that we're alone right now, and it sucks to be alone. But we have to believe that we can do better.

 

[sherrane]

People keep bringing this up, but the Big East actually produced a couple of very good teams every year in Schiano's tenure. These teams went on to BCS bowls. It wasn't like the AAC.

You remember the Big East had an automatic bid, don't you? The AAC lost out of being in the "Power 6" because the quality of the league deteriorated over the past decade. The AAC is currently where the MWC was when the Big East was still playing football. In fact, you could make a strong case the MWC was a better conference than the Big East when BYU and TCU were still in that conference. Last season Boise State got the Group of 5 NY6 bid and this year it will likely go to the ACC winner because both the AAC championship game may have the only Group of 5 teams that are ranked by the selection committee.

 

[Dr. Potato]

Remember when we won 5 bowl games in a row?
2006 Texas Kansas State 37-10 W
2007 International Ball State 52-30 W
2008 PapaJohns.com N.C. State 29-23 W
2009 St. Petersburg UCF 45-24 W
2011 Pinstripe Iowa State 27-13 W

 

[bitnez]

Going back to Greg Schiano is like going back to your ex that you were with for many years. There was a reason why you were together so long, but there was also a reason why you started fighting at the end of the relationship before the breakup.

Sure, there might be a honeymoon period when you get back together. But at the end of the day the same nagging problems are going to re-surface. And besides, can you really trust him after he left you for a better model? Who's to say that won't happen again?

I get the idea that we're alone right now, and it sucks to be alone. But we have to believe that we can do better.

Wait you think whoever we hire is going to stay here long term? Any coach who is very successful is going to move on. Coaches leave schools much better than ours every year. In fact, the only coach who arguably would stay long term is Schiano.

 

[essexknight]

Of course you don't because it never happened.

He never could beat Rich Rod's spread. Good luck with Urban's. And Dantonio smacked him around at Cincy.

#HireNewBlood

Dantonio never won the Big East, either. He never even finished in second place and his record in the Big East was sub .500. He did not win the C-USA in the one season he coached UC in that conference. Despite this, he has done a great job at MSU.

You can't judge a coach based solely on whether or not they have "won" the conference title in a lesser conference. GS took arguably the worst FBS program and turned it into a program that became nationally ranked multiple times. There is tremendous value in that irrespective of whether or not RU won the Big East. GS certainly made mistakes. The handling of the offense post-McNulty was not good. The offense under Ciarrocca and Flood struggled But, I give him credit for making the right changes and bringing in the coaches from Pitt like Cignetti. The offense rebounded after that and the program markedly improved. With the right OC, GS could do a very good job in the B1G. Other candidates "could" do well here. But, GS has proven that he can build a program here and recruit locally.

 

[sodakboy93]

Wait you think whoever we hire is going to stay here long term? Any coach who is very successful is going to move on. Coaches leave schools much better than ours every year. In fact, the only coach who arguably would stay long term is Schiano.

He already left once and it's clear his real desire is to coach in the NFL. (It's no accident that he's a "NFL analyst" at ESPN.)

We're a B1G school. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe we can be a legacy job for somebody.

 

[chase07470]

The point I was making about Rich Rod was that GS never could stop that spread. You think it'll get better against Urban?

You think Schiano is in the same class as Harbaugh & Dantonio?

I get it. Those guys are hard to find. That's why they are who they are. But Schiano has certainly proven he isn't on that level of coaching.

Is Rhule? I don't know, but I'd be willing to find out.
Is Moglia? Same answer.

I'm just not looking to bringing in one of these re-treads who already proved he could underachieve. I thank Schiano for building a program, but he didn't take the program to new heights, even when he had multiple NFL pro bowlers on the same team.

Our football program is like a giant boulder that needs to go up a long steep hill. Graber nudged it up a bit before it collapsed on his head. Flood, Anderson and Shea didn't budge the damn thing. Schiano on the other hand, well he pushed that sucker a good deal of the way up the hill, didn't he? He clocked in the 32nd and 23rd best recruiting classes in the country in his final two years, didn't he?

Look around. Whose moved the boulder at Virginia? Purdue? Illinois? Maryland? Indiana? How many coaches tried? Dozens.

If you can get a guy, in his prime, who has already shown you he can move the damn thing, you don't go guessing on guys with limited experience if you don't have to because the odds are overwhelming the boulder is just going to sit there, like it has for everyone else.

 

[RUChoppin]

He clocked in the 32nd and 23rd best recruiting classes in the country in his final two years, didn't he?

Keep in mind, those final two seasons had Hafley. The season just before Hafley arrived, our recruiting was ranked 64th.

 

[rutgers4life11]

You remember the Big East had an automatic bid, don't you? The AAC lost out of being in the "Power 6" because the quality of the league deteriorated over the past decade. The AAC is currently where the MWC was when the Big East was still playing football. In fact, you could make a strong case the MWC was a better conference than the Big East when BYU and TCU were still in that conference. Last season Boise State got the Group of 5 NY6 bid and this year it will likely go to the ACC winner because both the AAC championship game may have the only Group of 5 teams that are ranked by the selection committee.

And you do realize in each of those years (except 2008), we would have had a team in the BCS anyway. Additionally, a bunch of those teams won their BCS game...

 

[RUskoolie]

Fans need to be convinced that Schiano has changed and he's being considered or hired to bring RU back to it's discliplined ways that limits issues off the field and to become the face of the program and school.

It's WAY beyond Schiano vs Dantonio, who has significantly better assistant coaches working under him than Schiano was willing to delegate and hire or defer to so those coaches did their jobs.

This is not to say Schiano isn't a clear upgrade from Flood or Golden or more experienced than Fleck or Rhule, but does anyone feel like the offense will be significantly upgraded and the upside takes RU from it's 6-6 floor to a 8-4 level??

Penn State is declining rapidly and Michigan is severely overrated, so there is an opportunity next year for a very fast start that can revive things, but the schedule next year sets up nicely for whomever the next coach is. Illinois, Indiana, Penn State, New Mexico, at Maryland and 1AA is a built-in 5 wins out of 6 games on the schedule right now. RU can assuredly play more competitive in road games at Minnesota, so while that game is tough, it's not impossible with basic defense.

Rossi/Cohen and the schemes were so out of whack that it skews what we saw the last 3 years. There is very good (not elite) talent on the roster, it just needs to be corrected with basic fundamental football....schiano can do that quickly, but most any other staff should have been able to do the same thing.

With the current state of the program, our floor is closer to 4-8 than 6-6. I can't believe so many people can't see how bad our program is right now. Next year will be worse and it will take a hell of a coaching job to get to 6-6 with the current roster.

 

[Caliknight]

How? Schiano was the definition of mediocrity. He failed forward into the NFL, failed there, and hasn't been able to get a job since.

If it is an "OP fail", I hope it is as successful to my future endeavors as a GS fail.

Half your points were categorically untrue. Your % is worse than Schiano's.

 

[Caliknight]

Kinda crazy thinking IMO Penn State crushed us this year and the games between Indiana and Maryland were even

Not really that crazy. That was the worst week of the season. Flood just got suspended, the whole Carroo thing...

They were lucky to catch us when they did.

 

[BiggyRU]

Schiano 2.0 I think will surprise some people.
Im all in..

 

[NotInRHouse]

Schiano was second place in the BE x3....2006, 2008 and 2011.

If Townsend makes that catch, KB makes one in 2008, and San San makes an extra FG in 2011, he would have won the conference 3 times and went to the BCS at least twice. Are three plays all the difference?

Just ignorant to make such comments.

 

[BaseballFan913]

Schiano was second place in the BE x3....2006, 2008 and 2011.

If Townsend makes that catch, KB makes one in 2008, and San San makes an extra FG in 2011, he would have won the conference 3 times and went to the BCS at least twice. Are three plays all the difference?

Just ignorant to make such comments.

2006 they lose the tie breaker to WVU
2008 there were numerous teams ahead of us
2011 We were technically 4th place after tie breakers (that's what happens when you only beat the cupcakes

Thanks for playing Mrs. Schiano.

 

[mal359]

Even Charlie Weis and Randy Edsall could make it to BCS bowls.

 

[NotInRHouse]

2006 they lose the tie breaker to WVU
2008 there were numerous teams ahead of us
2011 We were technically 4th place after tie breakers (that's what happens when you only beat the cupcakes

Thanks for playing Mrs. Schiano.

First of all, that's not how the BE worked their standings.

Second of all, you're factually incorrect.

2008, we were literally tied for second. Cincy had one conference loss (UConn) while RU, Pitt, and WVU all lost to Cincy while RU lost to WVU, WVU to Pitt, and Pitt to us....you couldn't define second place any better. Where are the numerous teams?

2011, we lost to WVU, Ville, and UConn. WVU, Ville and Cincy again had a literal tie at first with 2 losses a piece. So we finished second and blew out the other second place team, Pitt, in addition to Cincy.

And in all three of those years we lost by 3 points or less- 2 points to Ville in 2011 and WVU in 2006- from winning the conference.

So what would be the argument if we made those FGs, would he have been a great coach then?

Answer the question instead of making up nonsense. No other actual candidate ever came even that close to winning a BCS conference.

 

[mal359]

Did GS ever win the Big East?

This is a simple yes or no question.

 

[JQRU91]

Dantonio never won the Big East, either. He never even finished in second place and his record in the Big East was sub .500. He did not win the C-USA in the one season he coached UC in that conference. Despite this, he has done a great job at MSU.

You can't judge a coach based solely on whether or not they have "won" the conference title in a lesser conference. GS took arguably the worst FBS program and turned it into a program that became nationally ranked multiple times. There is tremendous value in that irrespective of whether or not RU won the Big East. GS certainly made mistakes. The handling of the offense post-McNulty was not good. The offense under Ciarrocca and Flood struggled But, I give him credit for making the right changes and bringing in the coaches from Pitt like Cignetti. The offense rebounded after that and the program markedly improved. With the right OC, GS could do a very good job in the B1G. Other candidates "could" do well here. But, GS has proven that he can build a program here and recruit locally.

Comparing Dantonio's tenure at Cincinnati to Schiano's time at Rutgers is near meaningless. Dantonio was at Cincinnati for three years with only two of them as a member of the Big East. Not surprising he never won the conference.

 

[JQRU91]

Even Charlie Weis and Randy Edsall could make it to BCS bowls.

It's a bit easier to go to a BCS bowl game when you're coaching Notre Dame.

 

[mal359]

It's a bit easier to go to a BCS bowl game when you're coaching Notre Dame.

It's also a bit easier when you beat tough teams on a tough schedule.

 

[JQRU91]

It's also a bit easier when you beat tough teams on a tough schedule.

True. Schiano teams tended to have a weak OOC schedule.

 

[RUChoppin]

First of all, that's not how the BE worked their standings.

Second of all, you're factually incorrect.

2008, we were literally tied for second. Cincy had one conference loss (UConn) while RU, Pitt, and WVU all lost to Cincy while RU lost to WVU, WVU to Pitt, and Pitt to us....you couldn't define second place any better. Where are the numerous teams?

2011, we lost to WVU, Ville, and UConn. WVU, Ville and Cincy again had a literal tie at first with 2 losses a piece. So we finished second and blew out the other second place team, Pitt, in addition to Cincy.

And in all three of those years we lost by 3 points or less- 2 points to Ville in 2011 and WVU in 2006- from winning the conference.

So what would be the argument if we made those FGs, would he have been a great coach then?

Answer the question instead of making up nonsense. No other actual candidate ever came even that close to winning a BCS conference.

In 2008, we were tied for second in conference with a 5-2 record, and the Big East didn't have any tiebreaker rules for anything other than who got the BCS bid. We did, however, have the worst overall record, lowest massey composite, and lowest RPI of the three tied for 2nd place. There were clearly 3 better teams than us that year.

In 2006, we were tied for second with WVU. Again, no tie breaker in the BE, but were third in RPI and Massey and lost the head to head. It was close, but we didn't finish with a better season than Louisville or WVU that year.

in 2011, we were tied for 4th place with Pitt behind three first place finishers. We won the head to head with Pitt, so we weren't better than 3 other teams that season.

As for other candidates, Wanny shared a BE title in 2010 with WVU and UConn, but did not go to the BCS game (Massey had them 3rd highest among conference teams). They tied for 2nd in the prior to seasons, too (lost the head to head with fellow 2nd place team WVU in 2009, and was the highest ranked of the three 2nd place finshers in 2008).