Rettig- 2/6 for 51 and 0 interceptions, Laviano 4/14 for 31 and 1 interceptions

[ScarletDave]

Laviano apologists who keep saying that he got all his yards in that bomb, well last time I checked that's how you get yards, by throwing forward and ideally as far as you can. Laviano had 3.5 quarters to throw a 50 yard pass and hit the receiver in the hands in stride, but couldn't.

What's even more sad is that whoever came up with the game plan decided that the plan to beat Wisconsin in Camp Randall was to throw it just 14 times in the first 3 quarters.

 

[MikeRU09]

What's even more sad is that whoever came up with the game plan decided that the plan to beat Wisconsin in Camp Randall was to throw it just 14 times in the first 3 quarters.

Seriously, if Flood did not realize that we needed to pass to be competitive in that game when it was 17-3 then he is even more of a MORON than I originally thought..The idiot is incapable of alterations. I feel like he read a book on how to be a CEO when he took over that told him to be decisive and unwavering in his decisions...Unfortunately, a good head coach knows how to adapt to get the most out of his team...He keeps trying to be something we are not on both sides of the ball.

 

[slyker]

Laviano apologists who keep saying that he got all his yards in that bomb, well last time I checked that's how you get yards, by throwing forward and ideally as far as you can. Laviano had 3.5 quarters to throw a 50 yard pass and hit the receiver in the hands in stride, but couldn't.

What's even more sad is that whoever came up with the game plan decided that the plan to beat Wisconsin in Camp Randall was to throw it just 14 times in the first 3 quarters.

Aaaah, but Laviano did not have the luxury of attempting a long pass (or any pass for that matter) against the third string wisconsin D without a pass rush in his face. On the other hand, Mr Rettig did have his chance in two series against the first or second string D and gave us two, three-and-out series while going 1 for 5 for two yards. Like I said in another thread, the performance comparison on equal footing is certainly not showing any clear reason why the backup should supplant the starter as so many posters keep claiming. And the self sack on the last series speaks for itself

 

[sherrane]

Nothing else needs to be said.

Rettig almost doubled Laviano's output with 1 pass.

Rivals had it right, as did ever other coach in CFB. He is a 2* talent.

Rettig might not be a starting caliber QB. It is obvious that Laviano isn't. Wisconsin simply did not respect the Rutgers passing attack without Carroo and is a big reason RU lost this game. They knew that as long as they could contain the RBs from getting to the outside that they would not be challenged. It is time to start someone else at QB, whether that be Rettig or Dare.

 

[RUInsanity]

I'm really not sure who the best QB is and there is no slam dunk here as the team has many holes to fill. However sometimes a coach needs to make a change when things are not working. In this case I believe that you go to Rettig if for nothing else than to inject life into an extremely sluggish offense.

 

[njknightsfan]

Well, the RU's second punter had almost as many yards on his three punts as the offense had in four quarters.

I think it's the predictable game plan of run on 1st, run on 2nd, short pass on 3rd is what's putting people to sleep.

 

[c_husk]

So let's keep trotting out the QB that got us to 3-5.

You mean 2 and 5, he didn't start game 1.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

It doesn't matter what camp you're in, bad coaching hasn't helped either one. Bottom line, Laviano is a stat builder who is neither a game manager nor a star who can lead the team to victory when he needs to put Rutgers on his back. Rettig sample is too small to make a judgement for or against. Flood doesn't allow for it to make an educated decision because he would be second guessing himself. So overall it leaves Rutgers back to the same question they had since last spring, who is the starting QB? You know the old saying, "If you have 2 QB, you really have none". Well, this might be the only case where the coaching is the reason behind it. Talk about taking talent kids and destroying them... look no further than Rutgers. I've never seen talent (even average) play down to the level of coaching.

 

[BuggsyRU]

I agree that Rettig should have been put in, no doubt about that. Neither QB is very good. Laviano looked terrible. Half of it is on him and the other half is on the coaches and the players around him. The OLine looked terrible today as well. Receivers could not get separation. It is tough when you have a third and long just about every series because we run on first and second down every play.

Rettig has a cannon but some of his passes were awful. He had a very impressive pass to Agodusi but that's about it. He's also not as mobile as Laviano. He gives us a deep threat but in other areas he gives up a lot. I mean he tripped over his own feet.

I understand why the QB competition was so close. Both of them are not that good.

How can you say Rettig is not very good?

That's just an asinine statement. In the little time he has been in, he has produced. In every game. He has NOT been given a chance to develop, so to say he isn't very good is just ignorant.

 

[BuggsyRU]

"That's the point. When he comes in, he makes things look better"

????????????? What are you watching

While he was in there against the Wisconsin first team D today:

1 st series 3 and out.
2nd series . 3 and out

Yeah...Things looked a LOT better

Wow, talk about a selective memory.

How about the 49 yard bomb to Agodosi?

How about last week the bomb to Patton, or the TD he threw that Laviano simply doesn't have the arm strength to make?

Nice of you to actually forget the plays that excite our fan base.

 

[DHajekRC84]

I don't know if Laviano isn't allowed to call audibles or he doesn't have the ability to call them..but in either case it is just so damn bush league.

Right from the get go Wisky was stacking 8 guys in the box daring us to throw..some plays had 10 guys within a couple of yards of the LOS..and we stayed in the run game.

People debated whether Urban Meyer dis-respected CL last week..well I can tell you the Wisky didn't respect the passing game or play calling.

 

[jonS]

I missed the 50 yd bomb against the defensive starters. When did that happen? .. I did see his 50 yd bomb against the backups. Nice throw there. Couldn't connect on some mid range passes against the starters facing a pass rush however. But he was able to sack himself against the scrubs. Looked sharp on that one. Or was it the 23 yard line that reached up and grabbed him as the announcers said. Felt bad for the kid on that one. Fortunately most people had probably switched channels by then.

The problem with Flood's offensive scheme is that you need to connect on some mid-long passes in order to open up the defense and give Rutgers backs an opportunity to run without 8 guys in the box. Without that threat the deck is stacked against the backs. And Laviano just does not have the arm to open up the defense. To his credit , he's thrown few interceptions and seems to manage the game plan but you need something more at QB. Does he make those around him better? I don't think so and Rettig deserves a shot at starting. Yes Rettig threw against second team defense so let's see what he can do against a first team defense like Michigan. If Laviano struggled against Wisky, God only knows how tough Michigan will be..

 

[RUMBA-JK]

The ONLY thing that has been well established is that the team is now NOT winning against better than average teams with Laviano.

Whether Rettig could move the team against formidable adversaries - is absolutely an unknown - he has had an order of magnitude less than an adequate amount of time to demonstrate his capabilities. Between last week and this week, his total playing may be approximately one full quarter - so even if one makes no allowances for coming in cold, it is simply not a legitimate way to assess Rettig's potential.

 

[Caliknight]

I'm really not sure who the best QB is and there is no slam dunk here as the team has many holes to fill. However sometimes a coach needs to make a change when things are not working. In this case I believe that you go to Rettig if for nothing else than to inject life into an extremely sluggish offense.

It's like changing the goalie in hockey. They may not be the sole reason the team is losing, but it is the best way to get their collective attention.

But I do like what I see from Rettig. His play in limited time has easily warranted a real look.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

We don't know what we have in rettig other than a big arm

We do know what we have with laviano

It isn't enough...

We walked into this season
Thinking our receivers are the best postioon group on the trams and we can't get them touches with laviano

That is all on the coaching staff

And the wr screens as touches don't freakjng count

 

[Veiox]

Aaaah, but Laviano did not have the luxury of attempting a long pass (or any pass for that matter) against the third string wisconsin D without a pass rush in his face. On the other hand, Mr Rettig did have his chance in two series against the first or second string D and gave us two, three-and-out series while going 1 for 5 for two yards. Like I said in another thread, the performance comparison on equal footing is certainly not showing any clear reason why the backup should supplant the starter as so many posters keep claiming. And the self sack on the last series speaks for itself

What you failed to mention is that when Rettig first came in the game they also replaced several of our OL at the same time. So the reason Rettig had no time (I mean less then 2 seconds on a couple of plays) was he had a 2nd string OL going against Wisconsin D.

Yes, on his third drive he faced a much weaker defense but still had 2nd string Offense. Laviano had time on a number of his throws early in the game and could not even get the ball to a receiver with a chance to catch it.

 

[ScarletNYC]

@IL Lusciato What are your thoughts? I know you love to pop up whenever Laviano doesn't have a disastrous game but go ghost when he does.

 

[NJbound]

Aaaah, but Laviano did not have the luxury of attempting a long pass (or any pass for that matter) against the third string wisconsin D without a pass rush in his face. On the other hand, Mr Rettig did have his chance in two series against the first or second string D and gave us two, three-and-out series while going 1 for 5 for two yards. Like I said in another thread, the performance comparison on equal footing is certainly not showing any clear reason why the backup should supplant the starter as so many posters keep claiming. And the self sack on the last series speaks for itself

Ok. You're obviously Laviano's uncle. Let Rettig start and complete a full game. Let's see what he can do when he plays against 1st string competition, and when he doesn't have to come in and clean up someone else's mess. If he falters, then you can criticize him. Until then you don't have a leg to stand in. We know your nephew Chris is not the answer. We don't know that about Rettig, and what pisses off the fan base is that we won't even get a chance to find out.

 

[lighty]

I wish I lived in Slyker's world. It would be nice to imagine RU with a wonderful starting QB instead of the guy that has led the offense to 3 points or less in 14 of the last 24 quarters he's played (including the last two complete games).

It's so convenient that he can pretend the only reason completed passes from Rettig happened was because the game was out of hand and the opposition put in their 2nd or 3rd string. But the real question is WHY did they do that? Because the RU starter did so poorly (4 complete passes for like 31 yards) that Rutgers was never in the game.

Yeah, thanks for pointing out who the defense was that Rettig faced. It only reminds us what an idiotic coach we have to let Laviano do so poorly this season. If you take away the Norfolk state game, he's been 3 points or less far too often to keep his job.

 

[IL Lusciato]

@IL Lusciato What are your thoughts? I know you love to pop up whenever Laviano doesn't have a disastrous game but go ghost when he does.

Get off my jock dude. I am here every game I see including after PSU and after OSU. My assertions stand and continue to be valid.

It is the Rettig fanboys who will find any single pass or play the kid plays in to act as if it validates their nonsensical view that Rettig is somehow going to change the outcome of the games or season. Kid can't run the offense. Laviano has had 2 bad games against 2 good teams.

For the record i moved Saturday so I missed the whole debacle. First game I've missed in years, but seeing the score I chose to avoid both recounting the game or visiting this board much this week as it won't do anything positive for my life.

I'm not going to sit around two days later analyzing again and again one friggin throw by the BACKUP QB and make whole new threads about it. It's pathetic. I got a job.

That said, I support the starting QB I think he's promising. I think Rettig is promising but he can't lead or run the O as good. It is what it is. He has a good arm he is from Cali. By all accounts a good kid and good teammate. This is life.

At least the next GAME Laviano plays well in and GAME he wins, there will be more than a single pass for you weirdos to obsess over for a week. Until then enjoy the fall weather and your real-life. Give it a rest. The backup QB is the backup and he is not Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Hate to burst your bubble.

Fwiw I heard something from a semi-decent CFB source regarding our program. But I choose not to share since so many on here bug the hell outta me w nonsense posts like this.

Have a good week enjoy your families, the weather, life in general. I'll be back here on game day.

 

[c_husk]

Get off my jock dude. I am here every game I see including after PSU and after OSU. My assertions stand and continue to be valid.

It is the Rettig fanboys who will find any single pass or play the kid plays in to act as if it validates their nonsensical view that Rettig is somehow going to change the outcome of the games or season. Kid can't run the offense. Laviano has had 2 bad games against 2 good teams.

For the record i moved Saturday so I missed the whole debacle. First game I've missed in years, but seeing the score I chose to avoid both recounting the game or visiting this board much this week as it won't do anything positive for my life.

I'm not going to sit around two days later analyzing again and again one friggin throw by the BACKUP QB and make whole new threads about it. It's pathetic. I got a job.

That said, I support the starting QB I think he's promising. I think Rettig is promising but he can't lead or run the O as good. It is what it is. He has a good arm he is from Cali. By all accounts a good kid and good teammate. This is life.

At least the next GAME Laviano plays well in and GAME he wins, there will be more than a single pass for you weirdos to obsess over for a week. Until then enjoy the fall weather and your real-life. Give it a rest. The backup QB is the backup and he is not Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Hate to burst your bubble.

Fwiw I heard something from a semi-decent CFB source regarding our program. But I choose not to share since so many on here bug the hell outta me w nonsense posts like this.

Have a good week enjoy your families, the weather, life in general. I'll be back here on game day.

Ohio State, Penn State and Wisconsin - 0 Touchdowns - That is 3 bad games by my low level math skills.

 

[Caliknight]

Rettig has had more than 2 good throws. That is unfair for Il to state such a thing. Really unfair. All in very limited time.

In fact, in that unlimited time, if you had a top 5 RU QB throws, I Rettig would likely have 3 or 4 of them.

After our starting QB goes for 31 yards on 4/14 while putting up a whopping 6 points in two games, people have some nerve belittling those that want to see what the back up can do.

 

[Veiox]

Rettig has had more than 2 good throws. That is unfair for Il to state such a thing. Really unfair. All in very limited time.

In fact, in that unlimited time, if you had a top 5 RU QB throws, I Rettig would likely have 3 or 4 of them.

After our starting QB goes for 31 yards on 4/14 while putting up a whopping 6 points in two games, people have some nerve belittling those that want to see what the back up can do.

How are getting six points in two games? It is either 3 pts in last two games or 6 pts in 3 games against good defenses (PSU, OSU, Wisc).

 

[RUMBA-JK]

Laviano's total of 31 yards (over the course of 3 1/2 quarters) ... = 93 feet ...
interesting ... that is one foot less than the length of an NBA basketball court ...
and
When David Wright throws one ball from third base to first base , he throws it 10 yards further than the entire total of all of Laviano's completions on Saturday.

 

[ru8081]

Whether we win or lose is more dependent on line play. In this area we are not up to par on a B1G level. That is a Recruiting and Coaching failure.

 

[Caliknight]

How are getting six points in two games? It is either 3 pts in last two games or 6 pts in 3 games against good defenses (PSU, OSU, Wisc).

I was giving him the missed FG.

 

[Veiox]

I was giving him the missed FG.

Got it.

 

[Caliknight]

Got it.

Either way, it is putrid.

 

[Pritz99]

Sort of a different take: What have we got to lose? We certainly can't score very much less against Michigan. And maybe after a week of prep for M, we find out Rettig is terrible and we encourage a transfer to open up a scholarship!

It surely won't cost us a bowl bid because absolutely NOBODY even HOPES we can Saturday. Rutgersal has this down as a L.

And Kyle, you're already on the hot seat. Wouldn't a terrible game by Rettig elicit an "I told you so!" or a good game bring out a "What a brilliant, courageous move!" And if it were somewhere inbetween, well, you'll have options. Even you must admit the odds of Laviano having a good/great game are not high. Why put HIM through more of this?

 

[Pritz99]

BTW -- don't announce it (pull a Maier).

 

[KnightsofChrome]

Ohio State, Penn State and Wisconsin - 0 Touchdowns - That is 3 bad games by my low level math skills.

Don't bother using logic, or just old common sense with these two(you know who the other one is), they are either complete morons, or somehow related to the kid impersonating a QB at RU. Don't know which, but they should not be deserving of a single word from the rest of us.