Review of the Head Coach Candidates from 2019-RU dodged some missiles!

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Was curious about how the other candidates have done since 2019. If any have been omitted, please fill in. This is not intended to be an "I told you so" thread, but merely to see what the other candidates have done since December 2019.

The reality is that @Scarlet Shack , as usual, nailed it with this note in post #48 of the thread linked below: "I think he has the best resume of the coaches that we can afford...and $4 million a year."

And so did RU4Real in post #87: "He's a solid recruiter, he's got an innate sense of "New Jersey", but he's also got a list of flaws that are well-understood."

And the usual even-keeled @RuBird in post #88: "No “winner” has been knocking down our door."

Also, some solid insight from @RUskoolie at post #96 and @yesrutgers01 at post #121

But let's look at the alternatives that RU considered at the time (in no particular order), and what they have done:

1. Butch Jones- hired by Arkansas State in the Sun Belt Conference for $825,000/year- 2021 record (overall/conference): 2-10/1-7. We dodged a missile, not a bullet.

2. Steve Addazio- the Dazzler- Colorado State in the Mountain West (Salary $1,550,00/year) 2020-21 record (overall/conference): 4-12/3-9. We could have saved some money with the Dazzler!

3. Jason Candle- Toledo- (I was high on Candle at the time)- He went 6-6/3-5 in 2019, 4-2/4-2 in 2020 and 7-5/5-3 in 2021. Finishing 3rd to 5th in the MAC West does not move the needle. We would have gotten burned by Candle. I will eat my crow on this one.

4. Jedd Fisch- not sure if this was a serious consideration- Head coach at Arizona 2021 ($2.6 Million/year): 1-11/1-8- losing to an eventual 5-6 Northern Arizona. The fish stinks at the head coach was true this year in Arizona. Will he turn it around?

5. Chris Creighton- Current EMU coach- 37-56/22-44 at EMU in 8 seasons. He went 2-10/1-7 and 1-11/0-8 in his first 2 seasons. In season 8, he went 7-5/4-4, finishing 3rd in the West (these things take time in the MAC, and may take longer in the B1G East).


6. Al Golden- Here is what Al Golden has accomplished as a head coach since Miami- considered and not hired as head coach at UConn.

7. Lance Leipold- perhaps one of the more intriguing names from an X's and O's perspective, but a vocal segment of the fan base was diametrically opposed to hiring him because his personality does not exactly scream excitement, and he would not have fit in here in Jersey. He was 2-10/1-8 in year 1 at Kansas. Salary-$2.8 Million/year. Six year deal. Beating Texas was a nice accomplishment, but he would have needed a lot of New Jersey coaches/coordinators/assistants to move the needle here.

8. Les Miles-this was @Caliknight 's suggestion: 3-18 at Kansas, fired before second season ended for being a scumbag. We dodged an atomic bomb, not a bullet.

9. Jeff Hafley- Last but not least. Perhaps he should have been at the top of the list of viable other candidates, given his fan base here. Was Rutgers willing to gamble on another coordinator taking the head coaching job? An SI article said: "BC had budgeted as much as $3.5 million for an experienced proven head coach." That same article rumored his salary to be $3 Million/year.
What did he do in years one and two at BC?
2020: 6-6/5-5 -tied for 5th with three other teams in the ACC, beating 1-10 Duke, 2-10 Sun Belt powerhouse Texas State, 3-7 Georgia Tech, 1-10 Syracuse, 4-7 Louisville and 5-5 Pitt.
2021: Finished last in the Coastal Division at 6-6/2-6, losing to 6-6 Louisville, 5-7 Syracuse, 5-7 Florida State, and crushed by Wake Forest. Nice win against Mizzou, but other wins were against Colgate, UMass, Temple and Georgia Tech. Time will tell if he turns into a great head coach. But considering what Greg did here in his first tenure and hiring a first time head coach, still happy RU took Greg and not Hafley. Not even clear if Hafley was seriously in the running. The message board will be interesting after the BC game next year. Let's keep in mind, however that Hafley took over a program that had not had a losing record for four straight years 2016-19, finishing 4-4 in the ACC the previous three years. Would the Greg haters say that BC regressed, going 2-6 in the ACC in year 2?

10. Anthony Campanile- currently a linebackers coach for Miami Dolphins. From news reports, he was looking to leave to be DC at BC. RU was, according to Kratch, in a bidding war with Michigan for him.

EDIT- #11. Bret Bielema (by @Caliknight request):
Don't think Bielema was ever seriously under consideration, as he had just been hired as DL coach at New England for the 2019 season. But there was his lawsuit against Arkansas for failure to pay his money due that says he was a finalist for the Rutgers job. But was he? Nobody really knows.

In any event, Bielema did well at Wisconsin, riding Barry Alvarez' coattails, but when he bolted for Arkansas, he went 3-9/0-8 in year 1 (2013) and 7-6/2-6 in year 2 (2014). He had a decent third season, but he was ultimately fired by the Razorbacks at the end of year 5 when he went 4-8/1-7 in 2017. Not an awe-inspiring resume to be 29-34/11-29 in 5 years. He probably had a lot of Bobby Petrino's players those first 2-3 years, as Petrino went 11-2/6-2 in 2011. But he brought it down to rock bottom in year 5.

2021 at Illinois:
5-7/4-5. Lost to Maryland. Shut out by Wisconsin. He beat Penn State, Minnesota, Northwestern and Nebraska, which is good on him. But he lost to Rutgers. Bielema said about that: " We came out in the second half and laid an egg. My fault.” This makes him 0-2 against Rutgers. So there's that.

Jury is out on Bielema. Let's check back in 2-3 years.

SUMMARY- so the question is, would any of the other candidates done better than Greg? Maybe, but from the above, it looks like more likely they would not have done better.
For those complaining about an 8 year deal, consider what Michigan State spent on Mel Tucker after one bad year and one great year ($95 million/10 years). And before we continue to gaze lovingly at Mel Tucker and Michigan State, let's not forget then were 2-5/2-5 last year, and Tucker was 5-7/3-6 at Colorado. A little early for such a long and huge deal. Will he repeat? We shall see.

And before we say Maryland is waaay ahead of RU, keep in mind Locksley is in year 3. He was 3-9/3-9 in year one, and 2-3/2-3 in year 2, losing to Rutgers last year. Maryland got annihilated by Iowa, Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan. This year, they were better than us. Last year we were better than them. There is no long term trend to be drawn from a small sample size.

Yesterday sucked and was deflating, but recruiting is trending way up, the biggest problem (the OL) is getting fixed and reinforced. Does the team have problems/weaknesses/things to be fixed, including coaching? Absolutely. Every team that has gone 5-7/2-7 has these issues in the middle of a rebuild. See Lance Leipold at Kansas. Or Tom Allen, who had two good years (year 4 and 5) at Indiana, and then regress. Greg said himself yesterday (and previously): "It's never linear, as we know. It's always that little bit of that mountain range until you really get all the pieces in place, and when you get the pieces in place, then it kind of goes like that, but we're not there yet."

Onward, upward.


 
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Dead on analysis!! It truly is amazing watching some of the wackos on this board who panic after every loss or disappointment.
We have not always agreed, but I find myself agreeing with you a lot these days.

For fans, it is easy to get caught up in the moment of a huge loss at the end of the season and want to burn everything down. But looking back and taking the long view is always a wise thing to do before overreacting.
 

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Head coach candidate Greg Schiano.

After padding the early season schedule with cupcakes Rutgers, was routinely routed in Big Ten play including ending the season with 4 straight huge losses. Schiano did do a service to his Big Ten brethren by letting them mostly sit their starters by the end of Rutgers contests and get their back-ups and walk-ons into the game.
 

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Here is a good thread from 2019 about the coaching search . Like usual , some people know what they’re talking about and some don’t


 

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Yes BUT

We need to fault Schiano for not scoring 40 points a game with Chris Ash's recruits

Surely that's a realistic expectation

LMAO Les Miles and Al Golden. They had to be trolling, right? Or else the drug epidemic is worse than we thought.

We definitely should have brought in Addazio because with him Townsend makes that catch against WVU
 

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Head coach candidate Greg Schiano.

After padding the early season schedule with cupcakes Rutgers, was routinely routed in Big Ten play including ending the season with 4 straight huge losses. Schiano did do a service to his Big Ten brethren by letting them mostly sit their starters by the end of Rutgers contests and get their back-ups and walk-ons into the game.
Not sure what your point is about the alternatives that were (or rumored to be) on the table for Rutgers.
 

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Nice job Knight, but logic and facts is like spitting into the wind with some on this board. I stopped following game day threads because of the stupidity and, in many cases, insulting posts that appear. Those of us who root from our heart and feel the disappointment of a loss but are also realistic enough to realize that this rebuild will take several years to be fully competitive appreciate how far we have come in a short period of time.
 

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Was curious about how the other candidates have done since 2019. If any have been omitted, please fill in. This is not intended to be an "I told you so" thread, but merely to see what the other candidates have done since December 2019 H

The reality is that @Scarlet Shack , as usual, nailed it with this note in post #48 of the thread linked below: "I think he has the best resume of the coaches that we can afford...and $4 million a year."

And so did RU4Real in post #87: "He's a solid recruiter, he's got an innate sense of "New Jersey", but he's also got a list of flaws that are well-understood."

And the usual even-keeled @RuBird in post #88: "No “winner” has been knocking down our door."

Also, some solid insight from @RUskoolie at post #96 and @yesrutgers01 at post #121

But let's look at the alternatives that RU considered at the time (in no particular order), and what they have done:

1. Butch Jones- hired by Arkansas State in the Sun Belt Conference for $825,000/year- 2021 record (overall/conference): 2-10/1-7. We dodged a missile, not a bullet.

2. Steve Addazio- the Dazzler- Colorado State in the Mountain West (Salary $1,550,00/year) 2020-21 record (overall/conference): 4-12/3-9. We could have saved some money with the Dazzler!

3. Jason Candle- Toledo- (I was high on Candle at the time)- He went 6-6/3-5 in 2019, 4-2/4-2 in 2020 and 7-5/5-3 in 2021. Finishing 3rd to 5th in the MAC West does not move the needle. We would have gotten burned by Candle. I will eat my crow on this one.

4. Jedd Fisch- not sure if this was a serious consideration- Head coach at Arizona 2021 ($2.6 Million/year): 1-11/1-8- losing to an eventual 5-6 Northern Arizona. The fish stinks at the head coach was true this year in Arizona. Will he turn it around?

5. Chris Creighton- Current EMU coach- 37-56/22-44 at EMU in 8 seasons. He went 2-10/1-7 and 1-11/0-8 in his first 2 seasons. In season 8, he went 7-5/4-4, finishing 3rd in the West (these things take time in the MAC, and may take longer in the B1G East).


6. Al Golden- Here is what Al Golden has accomplished as a head coach since Miami- considered and not hired as head coach at UConn.

7. Lance Leipold- perhaps one of the more intriguing names from an X's and O's perspective, but a vocal segment of the fan base was diametrically opposed to hiring him because his personality does not exactly scream excitement, and he would not have fit in here in Jersey. He was 2-10/1-8 in year 1 at Kansas. Salary-$2.8 Million/year. Six year deal. Beating Texas was a nice accomplishment, but he would have needed a lot of New Jersey coaches/coordinators/assistants to move the needle here.

8. Les Miles-this was @Caliknight 's suggestion: 3-18 at Kansas, fired before second season ended for being a scumbag. We dodged an atomic bomb, not a bullet.

9. Jeff Hafley- Last but not least. Perhaps he should have been at the top of the list of viable other candidates, given his fan base here. Was Rutgers willing to gamble on another coordinator taking the head coaching job? An SI article said: "BC had budgeted as much as $3.5 million for an experienced proven head coach." That same article rumored his salary to be $3 Million/year.
What did he do in years one and two at BC?
2020: 6-6/5-5 -tied for 5th with three other teams in the ACC, beating 1-10 Duke, 2-10 Sun Belt powerhouse Texas State, 3-7 Georgia Tech, 1-10 Syracuse, 4-7 Louisville and 5-5 Pitt.
2021: Finished last in the Coastal Division at 6-6/2-6, losing to 6-6 Louisville, 5-7 Syracuse, 5-7 Florida State, and crushed by Wake Forest. Nice win against Mizzou, but other wins were against Colgate, UMass, Temple and Georgia Tech. Time will tell if he turns into a great head coach. But considering what Greg did here in his first tenure and hiring a first time head coach, still happy RU took Greg and not Hafley. Not even clear if Hafley was seriously in the running. The message board will be interesting after the BC game next year. Let's keep in mind, however that Hafley took over a program that had not had a losing record for four straight years 2016-19, finishing 4-4 in the ACC the previous three years. Would the Greg haters say that BC regressed, going 2-6 in the ACC in year 2?

10. Anthony Campanile- currently a linebackers coach for Miami Dolphins. From news reports, he was looking to leave to be DC at BC. RU was, according to Kratch, in a bidding war with Michigan for him.


SUMMARY- so the question is, would any of the other candidates done better than Greg? Maybe, but from the above, it looks like more likely they would not have done better.
For those complaining about an 8 year deal, consider what Michigan State spent on Mel Tucker after one bad year and one great year ($95 million/10 years). And before we continue to gaze lovingly at Mel Tucker and Michigan State, let's not forget then were 2-5/2-5 last year, and Tucker was 5-7/3-6 at Colorado. A little early for such a long and huge deal. Will he repeat? We shall see.

And before we say Maryland is waaay ahead of RU, keep in mind Locksley is in year 3. He was 3-9/3-9 in year one, and 2-3/2-3 in year 2, losing to Rutgers last year. Maryland got annihilated by Iowa, Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan. This year, they were better than us. Last year we were better than them. There is no long term trend to be drawn from a small sample size.

Yesterday sucked and was deflating, but recruiting is trending way up, the biggest problem (the OL) is getting fixed and reinforced. Does the team have problems/weaknesses/things to be fixed, including coaching? Absolutely. Every team that has gone 5-7/2-7 has these issues in the middle of a rebuild. See Lance Leipold at Kansas. Or Tom Allen, who had two good years (year 4 and 5) at Indiana, and then regress. Greg said himself yesterday (and previously): "It's never linear, as we know. It's always that little bit of that mountain range until you really get all the pieces in place, and when you get the pieces in place, then it kind of goes like that, but we're not there yet."

Onward, upward.


Very good post. Greg was always my choice and nothing has changed my mind to the contrary yet. He was the clear guy to me, and the only one with any built-in credibility, a clear advantage over the others under consideration imo. I liked Hafley too. Mainly because he can sell, and we needed that skillset
coming off of Ash. But happy Greg was the call and that we didn't screw it up, like it appeared we might for a bit. We need more talent still, and that will take some more time. But hopefully we start to turn the corner next year. If Greg can't get it done here now, I am not sure if anyone can
 
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Two things …
- The guy at Kansas can coach
- Get rid of the notion that provincial recruiting is the way to go. By now we should be recruiting the Big Ten geographic footprint and Florida, well beyond NJ. There are MAC conference teams landing better linemen than us.
 

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Then there's the curious case of Joe Moglia. Not only was he a pretty good coach at Coastal, he left with almost 2 years remaining on his contract and has begun shoveling gobs of money at the University for better athletics facilities.
 

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Two things …
- The guy at Kansas can coach
- Get rid of the notion that provincial recruiting is the way to go. By now we should be recruiting the Big Ten geographic footprint and Florida, well beyond NJ. There are MAC conference teams landing better linemen than us.
Which MAC team has better offensive line recruits than us in the 2022 recruits?
 

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Head coach candidate Greg Schiano.

After padding the early season schedule with cupcakes Rutgers, was routinely routed in Big Ten play including ending the season with 4 straight huge losses.
Did you even watch this year?

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Was curious about how the other candidates have done since 2019. If any have been omitted, please fill in. This is not intended to be an "I told you so" thread, but merely to see what the other candidates have done since December 2019 H

The reality is that @Scarlet Shack , as usual, nailed it with this note in post #48 of the thread linked below: "I think he has the best resume of the coaches that we can afford...and $4 million a year."

And so did RU4Real in post #87: "He's a solid recruiter, he's got an innate sense of "New Jersey", but he's also got a list of flaws that are well-understood."

And the usual even-keeled @RuBird in post #88: "No “winner” has been knocking down our door."

Also, some solid insight from @RUskoolie at post #96 and @yesrutgers01 at post #121

But let's look at the alternatives that RU considered at the time (in no particular order), and what they have done:

1. Butch Jones- hired by Arkansas State in the Sun Belt Conference for $825,000/year- 2021 record (overall/conference): 2-10/1-7. We dodged a missile, not a bullet.

2. Steve Addazio- the Dazzler- Colorado State in the Mountain West (Salary $1,550,00/year) 2020-21 record (overall/conference): 4-12/3-9. We could have saved some money with the Dazzler!

3. Jason Candle- Toledo- (I was high on Candle at the time)- He went 6-6/3-5 in 2019, 4-2/4-2 in 2020 and 7-5/5-3 in 2021. Finishing 3rd to 5th in the MAC West does not move the needle. We would have gotten burned by Candle. I will eat my crow on this one.

4. Jedd Fisch- not sure if this was a serious consideration- Head coach at Arizona 2021 ($2.6 Million/year): 1-11/1-8- losing to an eventual 5-6 Northern Arizona. The fish stinks at the head coach was true this year in Arizona. Will he turn it around?

5. Chris Creighton- Current EMU coach- 37-56/22-44 at EMU in 8 seasons. He went 2-10/1-7 and 1-11/0-8 in his first 2 seasons. In season 8, he went 7-5/4-4, finishing 3rd in the West (these things take time in the MAC, and may take longer in the B1G East).


6. Al Golden- Here is what Al Golden has accomplished as a head coach since Miami- considered and not hired as head coach at UConn.

7. Lance Leipold- perhaps one of the more intriguing names from an X's and O's perspective, but a vocal segment of the fan base was diametrically opposed to hiring him because his personality does not exactly scream excitement, and he would not have fit in here in Jersey. He was 2-10/1-8 in year 1 at Kansas. Salary-$2.8 Million/year. Six year deal. Beating Texas was a nice accomplishment, but he would have needed a lot of New Jersey coaches/coordinators/assistants to move the needle here.

8. Les Miles-this was @Caliknight 's suggestion: 3-18 at Kansas, fired before second season ended for being a scumbag. We dodged an atomic bomb, not a bullet.

9. Jeff Hafley- Last but not least. Perhaps he should have been at the top of the list of viable other candidates, given his fan base here. Was Rutgers willing to gamble on another coordinator taking the head coaching job? An SI article said: "BC had budgeted as much as $3.5 million for an experienced proven head coach." That same article rumored his salary to be $3 Million/year.
What did he do in years one and two at BC?
2020: 6-6/5-5 -tied for 5th with three other teams in the ACC, beating 1-10 Duke, 2-10 Sun Belt powerhouse Texas State, 3-7 Georgia Tech, 1-10 Syracuse, 4-7 Louisville and 5-5 Pitt.
2021: Finished last in the Coastal Division at 6-6/2-6, losing to 6-6 Louisville, 5-7 Syracuse, 5-7 Florida State, and crushed by Wake Forest. Nice win against Mizzou, but other wins were against Colgate, UMass, Temple and Georgia Tech. Time will tell if he turns into a great head coach. But considering what Greg did here in his first tenure and hiring a first time head coach, still happy RU took Greg and not Hafley. Not even clear if Hafley was seriously in the running. The message board will be interesting after the BC game next year. Let's keep in mind, however that Hafley took over a program that had not had a losing record for four straight years 2016-19, finishing 4-4 in the ACC the previous three years. Would the Greg haters say that BC regressed, going 2-6 in the ACC in year 2?

10. Anthony Campanile- currently a linebackers coach for Miami Dolphins. From news reports, he was looking to leave to be DC at BC. RU was, according to Kratch, in a bidding war with Michigan for him.


SUMMARY- so the question is, would any of the other candidates done better than Greg? Maybe, but from the above, it looks like more likely they would not have done better.
For those complaining about an 8 year deal, consider what Michigan State spent on Mel Tucker after one bad year and one great year ($95 million/10 years). And before we continue to gaze lovingly at Mel Tucker and Michigan State, let's not forget then were 2-5/2-5 last year, and Tucker was 5-7/3-6 at Colorado. A little early for such a long and huge deal. Will he repeat? We shall see.

And before we say Maryland is waaay ahead of RU, keep in mind Locksley is in year 3. He was 3-9/3-9 in year one, and 2-3/2-3 in year 2, losing to Rutgers last year. Maryland got annihilated by Iowa, Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan. This year, they were better than us. Last year we were better than them. There is no long term trend to be drawn from a small sample size.

Yesterday sucked and was deflating, but recruiting is trending way up, the biggest problem (the OL) is getting fixed and reinforced. Does the team have problems/weaknesses/things to be fixed, including coaching? Absolutely. Every team that has gone 5-7/2-7 has these issues in the middle of a rebuild. See Lance Leipold at Kansas. Or Tom Allen, who had two good years (year 4 and 5) at Indiana, and then regress. Greg said himself yesterday (and previously): "It's never linear, as we know. It's always that little bit of that mountain range until you really get all the pieces in place, and when you get the pieces in place, then it kind of goes like that, but we're not there yet."

Onward, upward.


Great post. Thank goodness Hobbs wasn't able to hire Ash 2.0 and was forced to pick GS.

#neverforget
 

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Was curious about how the other candidates have done since 2019. If any have been omitted, please fill in. This is not intended to be an "I told you so" thread, but merely to see what the other candidates have done since December 2019 H

The reality is that @Scarlet Shack , as usual, nailed it with this note in post #48 of the thread linked below: "I think he has the best resume of the coaches that we can afford...and $4 million a year."

And so did RU4Real in post #87: "He's a solid recruiter, he's got an innate sense of "New Jersey", but he's also got a list of flaws that are well-understood."

And the usual even-keeled @RuBird in post #88: "No “winner” has been knocking down our door."

Also, some solid insight from @RUskoolie at post #96 and @yesrutgers01 at post #121

But let's look at the alternatives that RU considered at the time (in no particular order), and what they have done:

1. Butch Jones- hired by Arkansas State in the Sun Belt Conference for $825,000/year- 2021 record (overall/conference): 2-10/1-7. We dodged a missile, not a bullet.

2. Steve Addazio- the Dazzler- Colorado State in the Mountain West (Salary $1,550,00/year) 2020-21 record (overall/conference): 4-12/3-9. We could have saved some money with the Dazzler!

3. Jason Candle- Toledo- (I was high on Candle at the time)- He went 6-6/3-5 in 2019, 4-2/4-2 in 2020 and 7-5/5-3 in 2021. Finishing 3rd to 5th in the MAC West does not move the needle. We would have gotten burned by Candle. I will eat my crow on this one.

4. Jedd Fisch- not sure if this was a serious consideration- Head coach at Arizona 2021 ($2.6 Million/year): 1-11/1-8- losing to an eventual 5-6 Northern Arizona. The fish stinks at the head coach was true this year in Arizona. Will he turn it around?

5. Chris Creighton- Current EMU coach- 37-56/22-44 at EMU in 8 seasons. He went 2-10/1-7 and 1-11/0-8 in his first 2 seasons. In season 8, he went 7-5/4-4, finishing 3rd in the West (these things take time in the MAC, and may take longer in the B1G East).


6. Al Golden- Here is what Al Golden has accomplished as a head coach since Miami- considered and not hired as head coach at UConn.

7. Lance Leipold- perhaps one of the more intriguing names from an X's and O's perspective, but a vocal segment of the fan base was diametrically opposed to hiring him because his personality does not exactly scream excitement, and he would not have fit in here in Jersey. He was 2-10/1-8 in year 1 at Kansas. Salary-$2.8 Million/year. Six year deal. Beating Texas was a nice accomplishment, but he would have needed a lot of New Jersey coaches/coordinators/assistants to move the needle here.

8. Les Miles-this was @Caliknight 's suggestion: 3-18 at Kansas, fired before second season ended for being a scumbag. We dodged an atomic bomb, not a bullet.

9. Jeff Hafley- Last but not least. Perhaps he should have been at the top of the list of viable other candidates, given his fan base here. Was Rutgers willing to gamble on another coordinator taking the head coaching job? An SI article said: "BC had budgeted as much as $3.5 million for an experienced proven head coach." That same article rumored his salary to be $3 Million/year.
What did he do in years one and two at BC?
2020: 6-6/5-5 -tied for 5th with three other teams in the ACC, beating 1-10 Duke, 2-10 Sun Belt powerhouse Texas State, 3-7 Georgia Tech, 1-10 Syracuse, 4-7 Louisville and 5-5 Pitt.
2021: Finished last in the Coastal Division at 6-6/2-6, losing to 6-6 Louisville, 5-7 Syracuse, 5-7 Florida State, and crushed by Wake Forest. Nice win against Mizzou, but other wins were against Colgate, UMass, Temple and Georgia Tech. Time will tell if he turns into a great head coach. But considering what Greg did here in his first tenure and hiring a first time head coach, still happy RU took Greg and not Hafley. Not even clear if Hafley was seriously in the running. The message board will be interesting after the BC game next year. Let's keep in mind, however that Hafley took over a program that had not had a losing record for four straight years 2016-19, finishing 4-4 in the ACC the previous three years. Would the Greg haters say that BC regressed, going 2-6 in the ACC in year 2?

10. Anthony Campanile- currently a linebackers coach for Miami Dolphins. From news reports, he was looking to leave to be DC at BC. RU was, according to Kratch, in a bidding war with Michigan for him.


SUMMARY- so the question is, would any of the other candidates done better than Greg? Maybe, but from the above, it looks like more likely they would not have done better.
For those complaining about an 8 year deal, consider what Michigan State spent on Mel Tucker after one bad year and one great year ($95 million/10 years). And before we continue to gaze lovingly at Mel Tucker and Michigan State, let's not forget then were 2-5/2-5 last year, and Tucker was 5-7/3-6 at Colorado. A little early for such a long and huge deal. Will he repeat? We shall see.

And before we say Maryland is waaay ahead of RU, keep in mind Locksley is in year 3. He was 3-9/3-9 in year one, and 2-3/2-3 in year 2, losing to Rutgers last year. Maryland got annihilated by Iowa, Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan. This year, they were better than us. Last year we were better than them. There is no long term trend to be drawn from a small sample size.

Yesterday sucked and was deflating, but recruiting is trending way up, the biggest problem (the OL) is getting fixed and reinforced. Does the team have problems/weaknesses/things to be fixed, including coaching? Absolutely. Every team that has gone 5-7/2-7 has these issues in the middle of a rebuild. See Lance Leipold at Kansas. Or Tom Allen, who had two good years (year 4 and 5) at Indiana, and then regress. Greg said himself yesterday (and previously): "It's never linear, as we know. It's always that little bit of that mountain range until you really get all the pieces in place, and when you get the pieces in place, then it kind of goes like that, but we're not there yet."

Onward, upward.


beaced LIKE Onward .Ambivalent about Upward(shaky about heights)
 

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As for Al Golden I think he likes the NFL and some say he is on his way to DC position sooner or later.
 
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As for Al Golden I think he likes the NFL and some say he is on his way to DC position sooner or later.
Would love to know the basis for the Tweet/blog post that he was a serious candidate for UConn.

Golden was fired from Miami in 2016.

Mark Richt went 9-4/5-3, 10-3/7-1, and 7-6/4-4, before retiring.
Manny Diaz has gone 6-7/4-4, 8-3/7-2, and 7-5/5-3 in three years.

Golden was 28-22/16-17 over 4 1/2 years, about on par with his predecessor Randy Shannon.

Diaz has done slightly better than both of them.
Seems Miami donors/fans are a little to quick to pull the trigger. They fired him when eventual 14-1 Clemson beat Miami 58-0.

I don't blame Golden if he does not want to go back to the college coaching world.
 

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Head coach candidate Greg Schiano.

After padding the early season schedule with cupcakes Rutgers, was routinely routed in Big Ten play including ending the season with 4 straight huge losses. Schiano did do a service to his Big Ten brethren by letting them mostly sit their starters by the end of Rutgers contests and get their back-ups and walk-ons into the game.
FYI. We didn’t end season with 4 straight huge losses.
 

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Head coach candidate Greg Schiano.

After padding the early season schedule with cupcakes Rutgers, was routinely routed in Big Ten play including ending the season with 4 straight huge losses. Schiano did do a service to his Big Ten brethren by letting them mostly sit their starters by the end of Rutgers contests and get their back-ups and walk-ons into the game.
Tennessee could claim they dodged a bullet. Schiano hasn’t even won a home conference game. Sort of funny to create these narratives.
 
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The might University of Florida just hired the Louisiana coach. It’s not like every school goes for a Lincoln Riley.
 

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The might University of Florida just hired the Louisiana coach. It’s not like every school goes for a Lincoln Riley.
That guy is a stud and has been at the top of most schools boards for 3 years.
 

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Dead on analysis!! It truly is amazing watching some of the wackos on this board who panic after every loss or disappointment.
I gotta admit. I’m one of them. I want so bad for us to be good. In retrospect, what I was most disappointed with was the no shows against OSU, Wisc, and MD. After a day of calming down, I do think we are moving in the right direction. The lines have to improve on both sides to stay competitive against all the B1G teams. And Schiano MUST figure out a way to protect the middle. It’s so predictable what teams will do against us. Pass over the middle. Duh!
 

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OP missed Bielema. I’d like to see how creative writing about him.
Bielema was not mentioned in the linked thread. You were high on Les Miles. Don't think Bielema was ever seriously under consideration, as he had just been hired as DL coach at New England for the 2019 season. But there was his lawsuit against Arkansas for failure to pay his money due that says he was a finalist for the Rutgers job. But was he? Nobody really knows.

In any event, Bielema did well at Wisconsin, riding Barry Alvarez' coattails, but when he bolted for Arkansas, he went 3-9/0-8 in year 1 (2013) and 7-6/2-6 in year 2 (2014). He had a decent third season, but he was ultimately fired by the Razorbacks at the end of year 5 when he went 4-8/1-7 in 2017. Not an awe-inspiring resume to be 29-34/11-29 in 5 years. He probably had a lot of Bobby Petrino's players those first 2-3 years, as Petrino went 11-2/6-2 in 2011. But he brought it down to rock bottom in year 5.

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5-7/4-5. Lost to Maryland. Shut out by Wisconsin. He beat Penn State, Minnesota, Northwestern and Nebraska, which is good on him. But he lost to Rutgers. Bielema said about that: " We came out in the second half and laid an egg. My fault.” This makes him 0-2 against Rutgers. So there's that.

Jury is out on Bielema. Let's check back in 2-3 years. Fair?
The might University of Florida just hired the Louisiana coach. It’s not like every school goes for a Lincoln Riley.
What does this have to do with anything pertaining to the candidates that were under serious consideration in 2019?
 

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I like Jason Candle. The big knock on him is he’s never coached outside the state of Ohio. Cincinnati should look at him if Fickell ever leaves.
 
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I like Jason Candle. The big knock on him is he’s never coached outside the state of Ohio. Cincinnati should look at him if Fickell ever leaves.
I liked Candle in 2019, but in that year he was 6-6/3-5 (MAC), then 4-2/4-2 in 2020 and 7-5/5-3 this year. He followed Matt Campbell as OC at Mount Union, which under Larry Kehres had a .929 winning percentage, 23 conference titles and 11 national titles.
 

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I liked Candle in 2019, but in that year he was 6-6/3-5 (MAC), then 4-2/4-2 in 2020 and 7-5/5-3 this year. He followed Matt Campbell as OC at Mount Union, which under Larry Kehres had a .929 winning percentage, 23 conference titles and 11 national titles.
Yup. Mount Union to Toledo where he eventually replaced Campbell. Someone’s going to take a chance on him eventually.
 
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Lance Leipold was my #2 choice.
Greg was #1.
I felt at the time, and still feel the same today, that Hobbs wasn't going to spend the type of money to bring in a top name.
It took fan backlash for him to go after Schiano and accept most of Greg's terms.

When he was hired the first time ,Greg had a list of demands he wanted met before he'd take the job and Mulcahy agreed.
He wasn't Bob's first choice and I think Mark Whipple from UMass was set to be hired but the word got out before Shea was let go and Bob backed off and after letting Terry go went after Gary Pinkel the Toledo HC only to be turned down.
 
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Why are you limiting the discussion to 2022?

Maybe because we would be talking about recruits that the current head coach, who is the topic here, has brought in. Feel free to include your MAC recruits from 2021 also.
Who are these lineman we recruited that we lost out on?

p.s. - I'd ask PJ about that but for some reasons he's not taking my calls?
 
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