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Where would RU rank among the open jobs as of today?

I'd say 9th:
1-USC
2_USCe
3-Miami
4-VaTech
5-Maryland
6-Minnesota (great new facilities)
7-Illinois
8-UCF
9-RU
10- N Texas
11-Hawaii

Additional openings that RU would be behind: Georgia, Texas, WVU
Additional openings that RU would be ahead: Virginia, Purdue, Iowa State
 
ScarletStateofNJ said:
Where would RU rank among the open jobs as of today?

I'd say 9th:
1-USC
2_USCe
3-Miami
4-VaTech
5-Maryland
6-Minnesota (great new facilities)
7-Illinois
8-UCF
9-RU
10- N Texas
11-Hawaii

Additional openings that RU would be behind: Georgia, Texas, WVU
Additional openings that RU would be ahead: Virginia, Purdue, Iowa State
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Not trying to be a homer here, but in that list, I'd have us as either the 6th or 7th spot. Not sure how UCF could be ranked ahead of us. I would think that RU has the recruiting area upside over Minnesota and Illinois, as well as the potential draw of the NY/NJ/PA market to get on the map if you do well here.
 
Get real. ..UCF above RU??? Illinois? Even Minnesota.. have you been to Minnesota? It's cold and people are perpetually apologizing for everything including the awful weather. It was as coldas mars there couple years ago..cmon man..Rutgers isn't THAT bad a job and if not for the administration and with the ability to make coaches actual market offers ...I'd put it in top 5. You got rutgers-guilt issues
 
Stop being so self loathing. We are in no way behind UCF or Illinois. Probably not Minnesota, either. And only behind Maryland if they are willing to shell out a ton of $$$. Remember, they are first and foremost a basketball school. We are, even if it doesn't feel like it, a football school (in terms of football comes before other sports, but I also know how ludicrous this sounds)
 
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ScarletStateofNJ said:
Where would RU rank among the open jobs as of today?

I'd say 9th:
1-USC
2_USCe
3-Miami
4-VaTech
5-Maryland
6-Minnesota (great new facilities)
7-Illinois
8-UCF
9-RU
10- N Texas
11-Hawaii

Additional openings that RU would be behind: Georgia, Texas, WVU
Additional openings that RU would be ahead: Virginia, Purdue, Iowa State
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List looks right other than RU should be above UCF (only because of the Big 10 affiliation).
 
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I think 6th .. VTech might be ahead.. but who wants to follow Beamer?

UCF and Illinois are at our level or below.. I can see why someone might want UCF while waiting for something more ideal... it is in Florida and has access to local talent while at a school looking to support going "bg time".. but then you have the "Big Ten".. I cannot see someone wanting the best job possible now putting UCF ahead of Rutgers and the Big Ten.

Hmm.. make it 7th.. I think it is easier to win in the ACC at VTech than win in the Big Ten east at Rutgers.
 
I can't see VA Tech as a better job. I'm not even sure Miami is. I also don't see why you think UCF and Illinois are better either.
 
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What makes a great HC job is very subjective. Sure USC is a premier program--and one where the fans demand NC runs every single year. Lots of programs with every advantage fail to achieve this, Alabama really being the only that has delivered year after year for quite some time now. Miami is another program with high expectations despite a decade of futility. That futility has turned fans away but probably not really lowered expectations; the remaining fans are probably more impatient than ever for success.
 
Can see USCw being #1, but if RU is willing to pay the going rate # 2-5 could be the ranking.
The publicity a HC would get in bringing RU to a major bowl could make him a household name and one of the most coveted HCs he hits the market ( or has 3rd parties contact other 3rd parties) if RU doesn't come up with big bucks to keep him.

But paying the going rate will keep RU out of the top 5 because that's something RU won't do.
But the location and the publicity the RU HC would get if he brought RU to a Major Bowl would make that RU HC one of the hottest candidates for a major program in need of a new HC and willing to pay top dollar for him.
That's why some of the more popular candidates might chose RU, even at RU dollars and why I think RU might be 5-6 on the list
 
Seriously. What would attract a HC to come to RU?

Money stinks
PR nightmare
Local media is garbage
Recruiting is not easy in your home state
Assistants get paid low salaries
Facilities need upgrades

It's not a top 5 desirable job by any means. Sports Illustrated ranked it one of the lowest among 15 possible schools
 
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RUchip said:
Seriously. What would attract a HC to come to RU?

Money stinks
PR nightmare
Local media is garbage
Recruiting is not easy in your home state
Assistants get paid low salaries
Facilities need upgrades

It's not a top 5 desirable job by any means. Sports Illustrated ranked it one of the lowest among 15 possible schools
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All can be easily fixed with better alumni support and a top notch coach.
 
ScarletStateofNJ said:
Where would RU rank among the open jobs as of today?

I'd say 9th:
1-USC
2_USCe
3-Miami
4-VaTech
5-Maryland
6-Minnesota (great new facilities)
7-Illinois
8-UCF
9-RU
10- N Texas
11-Hawaii

Additional openings that RU would be behind: Georgia, Texas, WVU
Additional openings that RU would be ahead: Virginia, Purdue, Iowa State
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I say we are behind USC, USc, Maryland, and VT (in that order), but ahead of Minnesota (great facilities - zero recruits), Illinois (same but without the facilities), and potentially Virginia, Purdue, and Iowa State.

UCF. You are kidding yourself. No coach is taking a G5 job over any P5 job.

Miami isnt really a better job. More recruits, but similar if not worse admin support, higher expectations, and worse fan base.

But thats assuming we can offer a similar salary. If not then obviously we arent as good. But look at who Minnesota and Illinois hired last time - MAC HCs - thats not high end. Miami too.
 
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RUchip said:
Seriously. What would attract a HC to come to RU?

Money stinks
PR nightmare
Local media is garbage
Recruiting is not easy in your home state
Assistants get paid low salaries
Facilities need upgrades

It's not a top 5 desirable job by any means. Sports Illustrated ranked it one of the lowest among 15 possible schools
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Get a grip dude.
 
It seems some fans cannot face reality and view every situation with scarlet colored glasses. We are not going to be one of the top 6 or 7 openings in the off season if the administration does fire Flood, which is doubtful. That doesn't mean we can't get a top tier candidate, just means the administration has to be willing to pay a premium. Are we finally going to go all in and make the commitment to winning, again doubtful.
 
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No Way UCF or Illini are above you guys, as long as you are willing to pay as much as the other schools.
 
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ScarletStateofNJ said:
Where would RU rank among the open jobs as of today?

I'd say 9th:
1-USC
2_USCe
3-Miami
4-VaTech
5-Maryland
6-Minnesota (great new facilities)
7-Illinois
8-UCF
9-RU
10- N Texas
11-Hawaii

Additional openings that RU would be behind: Georgia, Texas, WVU
Additional openings that RU would be ahead: Virginia, Purdue, Iowa State
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But it's all Flood's fault. BTW - No way is Rutgers below UCF and Illinois.
 
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Outside looking in....the list is dead on including the additionals, except I would put RU above UCF and in a dead heat with Illinois. Not above Minny or MD at this point, imo.
 
Va Tech is probably number 2 right now. Great support, great administration (really good AD), winnable division and good recruiting in the Virginia/DC area. Miami is #3 because they have bad support, bad admin and stadium situation (Miami has AAC school problems). South Carolina is 4. Then UMD because of commitment to facilities and $$$ (but they share the RU problem of being 5th or 6th in terms of chance to win their DIVISION). RU/Illinois/Minnesota battle it out for the next 3 spots. They each have their own positives and negatives that depending on the candidate would move them up or down in the pecking order. UCF is going to be a prime spot for someone to revive or start a career quickly (similar to Herman at UH and Morris at SMU) because of their commitment to sports, stadium/facilities, recruiting area, etc.
 
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Now I know what the papers say as to candidates the schools are considering is all speculation, in what universe is some hot-shot coach choosing RU over Miami? And go to a bookie and bet on RU vs VT on getting the coach they want.

Having a non-supportive administration is one of the top qualities a candidate will look at. Facilities, as well. Schiano WANTED to some here but wouldn't sign till he got guarantees from the admin and commitment for stadium expansion/upgrades. When you talk about desireble places, that's what makes up "desireable". Close to NYC? BFD. Tell that to Saban, D'Antonio, Maier, Harbaugh and all those coaches with successful programs in the middle of nowhere.

Don't sell UCF short. Look how far they've come in the last decade. What were they, Div II ten years ago. Now they're in the 6th-7th best conference. HUGE school, admin support, very large fan base that actually cheers them on, local media all in, recruiting!!!

Don't know about Minn, Ill, but the Ohio State guy should (and probably does.) MD? Just Under Armor would make it more desireable. B1G has obviously demonstrated their love of MD over RU.
 
There is no way ucf is a better job. That's just nuts.

1-USC
2-USCe
3-Miami
4-VaTech
5-Maryland
6-RU
6-Minnesota
6-Illinois
9-UCF
10- N Texas
11-Hawaii

Illinois and Minny would be fighting for the same type of coach. MAC level and they woul have the edge with their mid-west location.

If Georgia, Texas and wvu open up that would push us to around 10. That could be ugly. Virginia is also a job that would be close to RU.
 
I can see an argument for just about any P5 school not named Syracuse or BC as being at least equivalent to RU, but UCF? That's a joke. RU has disadvantages, no doubt but nothing that makes it worse than any AAC school.
 
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Think we are at the bottom of the list due to a lame duck president and possibly a lame duck AD. With the lack of funding and other issues I can't see a big name coming here until we fill the top positions first
 
I'm just saying.....don't discount UCF. They wouldn't be looking for the same kind of coach we would, so there's not really any competition. And don't inflate our own value. Everybody thinks their kid should be a starter, but usually the coach knows why he's on the bench.
 
The reality is that once you get past USC, 2-9 on that list all have significant plusses and minuses. All of those jobs depend on bringing in the right people who can rally the fanbase, bring in quality kids and coach them up. None of those jobs are dumpster fires, none of them are absolute no-doubt elite jobs.
 
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MoobyCow said:
I can see an argument for just about any P5 school not named Syracuse or BC as being at least equivalent to RU, but UCF? That's a joke. RU has disadvantages, no doubt but nothing that makes it worse than any AAC school.
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You're talking about the AAC with 3 ranked schools and the AAC with 7 schools that pay their HC more than RU does? That AAC. Oh right- the AAC doesn't have a path to the Playoffs (which doesn't really seem material for RU right now).

George O'Leary was paid $2,000,000. Raise your hand if you think we'll pay as much. Raise your hand if you think is a coach's agent is going to tell their client and say: "Yeah coach, I know UCF will offer you $2,000,000 in a state with no income tax but go to RU for $1,500,000 and pay 6% income tax and deal with revenue-neutral pressure from the president while playing monkey in the middle with a muckraking media and professors looking to throw you under the bus."
 
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ScarletStateofNJ said:
Where would RU rank among the open jobs as of today?

I'd say 9th:
1-USC
2_USCe
3-Miami
4-VaTech
5-Maryland
6-Minnesota (great new facilities)
7-Illinois
8-UCF
9-RU
10- N Texas
11-Hawaii

Additional openings that RU would be behind: Georgia, Texas, WVU
Additional openings that RU would be ahead: Virginia, Purdue, Iowa State
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If half those openings are better than ours lets just give up NYC/NNJ....MIAMI,VT..REALLY...SCe..MD/MINNY..YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING...ILLINI/UCF...LOL....
 
ScarletStateofNJ said:
So you're thinking about Fuentes?
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At this point i'm just looking for 1 GOOD MAN with vision....is their not 1 smart coach who see's what the possibilities are here with the energy to fulfill it...GS saw it but couldn;t finish ....KF just don't have it...tell me who it is.
 
ScarletStateofNJ said:
You're talking about the AAC with 3 ranked schools and the AAC with 7 schools that pay their HC more than RU does? That AAC. Oh right- the AAC doesn't have a path to the Playoffs (which doesn't really seem material for RU right now).

George O'Leary was paid $2,000,000. Raise your hand if you think we'll pay as much. Raise your hand if you think is a coach's agent is going to tell their client and say: "Yeah coach, I know UCF will offer you $2,000,000 in a state with no income tax but go to RU for $1,500,000 and pay 6% income tax and deal with revenue-neutral pressure from the president while playing monkey in the middle with a muckraking media and professors looking to throw you under the bus."
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Stop it! It sucks when you guys make sense.
 
ScarletStateofNJ said:
You're talking about the AAC with 3 ranked schools and the AAC with 7 schools that pay their HC more than RU does? That AAC. Oh right- the AAC doesn't have a path to the Playoffs (which doesn't really seem material for RU right now).

George O'Leary was paid $2,000,000. Raise your hand if you think we'll pay as much. Raise your hand if you think is a coach's agent is going to tell their client and say: "Yeah coach, I know UCF will offer you $2,000,000 in a state with no income tax but go to RU for $1,500,000 and pay 6% income tax and deal with revenue-neutral pressure from the president while playing monkey in the middle with a muckraking media and professors looking to throw you under the bus."
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Remind me what we paid Schiano again.... Oh yeah more than $2m. Don't use Flood's salary as a marker.

Coaches want to play against the best, coaches want to prove their worth in the big time against better competition. The upside at RU is amazing, the local recruiting at RU is amazing. A big time coach is not scared of the media.

Any coach who prefers UCF over RU does not have the drive and mentality you want in a HC. Top HCs want to prove themselves against the best and you can't do that at UCF.
 
ScarletStateofNJ said:
You're talking about the AAC with 3 ranked schools and the AAC with 7 schools that pay their HC more than RU does? That AAC. Oh right- the AAC doesn't have a path to the Playoffs (which doesn't really seem material for RU right now).

George O'Leary was paid $2,000,000. Raise your hand if you think we'll pay as much. Raise your hand if you think is a coach's agent is going to tell their client and say: "Yeah coach, I know UCF will offer you $2,000,000 in a state with no income tax but go to RU for $1,500,000 and pay 6% income tax and deal with revenue-neutral pressure from the president while playing monkey in the middle with a muckraking media and professors looking to throw you under the bus."
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At that salary the marginal rate is closer to 9%, with promises it will go over 10% after 2017. And no mortgage interest deductions, no charitable contribution deduction and limited real estate tax deduction.
 
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