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Rutgers funding in jeopardy because of mass migration out of NJ!

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If there wasn't such a mass exodus out if NYC that wouldn't be the case. The bennies are your full time neighbors now😄
This is true! I was just down on LBI for a week and I could not believe all the NY plates at houses, restaurants, Wawa, all around. NY'ers are flocking to NJ.
 
Why is the democrats only response to raise taxes? Why not lay off state workers and cut government spending? Why is it that democrats always want to suck more money from people?
They get the votes from the people they didn't lay off. Along with the votes of the free stuff crowd that your taxes help fund.
 
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The answer is to get rid of all the redundant towns. I grew up on Ocean Monmouth county. My High school absorbed kids from loch arbor, allenhurst. But those towns have their own police, etc. There is no need for all these little towns in the state to have their own police, fire, school board etc. They need to be combined and streamlined.

It's cool though, when all these people retire they are just going to get short changed their "promised" pensions.
 
Smart people are leaving. My family and I are taking our money out of here in four years after my son graduates from high school. We might move to Gettysburg. I have always wanted to work at the battlefield. Suckers will stay and continue to complain and vote for the same people expecting different results. It's not going to happen ! See ya later Jersey !

I met a guy who restored historic buildings in Gettysburg. He said he worked on buildings that were used as "hospitals" and the floors had blood stains that went so deep in the wood they couldn't be removed
 
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What about on the federal level? Spending has gone up exponentially and the deficit is spiraling out of control under the current administration. Shouldn't the same apply here? I think we should stop the game of the rich states supporting the poor states because that is just plain socialism.
Yes, at the federal level too! But one thing the feds have that NJ does not have is control of the printing presses. Overall government needs to scale back bigtime and loosen up laws and rules that stifle the formation of business. We only need as much government to take care of necessary functions, such as the rule of law, maintain civil order, and take care of minimal government functions. Thats it! Government was never meant to be a wealth distribution scheme, which it has massively become in NJ and other Deomcrat controlled states.
 
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Been saying this for awhile. The moving data out of NYNJ is staggering.


Last week Curtis Sliwa posted a video of a NYC subway station at 12 noon. Not a soul to be seen:

"NYC has truly turned into a ghost town. At 12 noon there should be SOMEBODY around, even the tokenbooth is eerily empty. It has the feel of a set created to look like a city that has yet to be inhabited. This sadly has become the new norm as more and more people flee the city each day. "


 
The theory that states like NY, NJ, and CA are subsidizing poor states has been debunked. When NY did their calculation, they included things like military bases as being contributions to poor states. Plus, as has been pointed out in this thread, older people are forced to leave NY/NJ for economic reasons and their social security/medicare payments are counted as contributions to the new state. How many public servants retire and take their pensions down south? They don't want to pay the exorbitant taxes here. Finally, replacing retirees with younger families increases the number of students in our schools which drive up costs.
military bases are federal welfare for states. there's a reason why members of congress fight like hell to keep bases in the places they represent.
 
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I've heard the NJ emptying out cry for years and the State still looks like it is thriving population wise.
As for gas price killing off the population
US Average Regular Gas Price Comparison by State

https://www.gasbuddy.com/usa
add 9.3 =$2.32.9 (NJ) with attendant pumping , helping the workforce.
its the same group saying that...and it's because "they" don't like the population that is coming to replace the people leaving.
 
I've heard the NJ emptying out cry for years and the State still looks like it is thriving population wise.
As for gas price killing off the population
US Average Regular Gas Price Comparison by State

https://www.gasbuddy.com/usa
add 9.3 =$2.32.9 (NJ) with attendant pumping , helping the workforce.
The gas tax is just one of many new taxes Murphy has proposed many of which hit his core constituencies hardest.
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Do early retirees still get family coverage for sharply discounted costs until 65? That might have been changed under Christie but I don't remember the details. IIRC it was free before Christie.


Murphy and the Unions agreed to cut healthcare. The new plan cut premiums 20% and capped any increase for the State. Sweeney and the NJEA then agreed to go to a similar plan again cutting the costs

It also was not free before Christie
 
That still doesn’t explain why the pension should be paid on the highest base salaries instead of an average of the base salaries from the person’s working career (because that is how their contributions came in).


I never said it did. The formula and pension contributions are set by actuaries under the current plan they take the highest 3 years. The employee pays approximately 70% of the cost with the State picking up 30%.

What the State does is guarantee the funds will average a certain rate of return and while that could be a problem over the life of the pension the funds have earned slightly higher than the assumed rate
 
Do early retirees still get family coverage for sharply discounted costs until 65? That might have been changed under Christie but I don't remember the details. IIRC it was free before Christie.


Some do some do not depending what tier you were hired in.

You had to be a State employee prior to 1985 to get it free in retirement
 
I've heard the NJ emptying out cry for years and the State still looks like it is thriving population wise.
As for gas price killing off the population
US Average Regular Gas Price Comparison by State

https://www.gasbuddy.com/usa
add 9.3 =$2.32.9 (NJ) with attendant pumping , helping the workforce.


Its the same here in NY. Americans who pulled the wagon, are being replaced by foreigners who will be in the wagon. Everybody is getting checks and programs no matter what the qualifying criteria is supposed to be. The bureaucrats teach the applicants how to lie. They hide the numbers. Our area is losing Eliot Engel and Nita Lowey, and we have two more sketchy communists set to replace them in the House
 
Pennsy is the place to be for those at or near retirement.

No state tax on anything retirement related.

Doylestown area = 45 minutes to Rutgers Stadium or the RAC.

Are you off of 413 or 611?

In the Boro or the Township or one of the surrounding towns like Buckingham, Chalfont, Plumstead or New Britian??
 
This is true! I was just down on LBI for a week and I could not believe all the NY plates at houses, restaurants, Wawa, all around. NY'ers are flocking to NJ.

NY'ers are flocking everywhere. I have a spec house I am selling and the agent told me he's never seen so many NY'ers inquiring about properties.
 
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had short drive this AM and heard NJ 101.5 morning man who is bit radical conservative type.. he said Murphy singed an order or bill allowing municipalities to take out their own bonds for budget shortfalls for CoVid issues. Mentioned coming property tax increases. This guy insists the plan is to get everyone here and in blue states hooked on government teat.

(my comment follows) And while that may sound good to some socialist Millenial types.. what follows hooking them on reliance to government is, essentially, slavery or complete downfall.. or both. The people behind it will then own the resources and live somewhere else in their well-protected compounds and playgrounds. sound familiar? That's what the industrialized west did all around the world... but at least that brought some modernizations and benefits... here the benefits seems to be crumbling infrastructure, chaos and violence.
 
The market is booming around us. Homes are consistently going for $30K-50K over asking price. One house on our block sold for $475K in January, and was just turned over for $610K in August - with no occupants or work done in those intervening 7 months. I've been watching the estimates on our house from various websites climb sharply since January.

A friend has been trying to move out of Manville to other parts of Central Jersey, and he's been outbid 4 times - even while offering at least $20K over asking price each time.

The pandemic has been driving buyers with NYC salaries to escape the population density of the city and find properties where they can spend time outside not in such close proximity to other people as the pandemic continues on.

This is great news for retirees looking to move to parts south, as they're getting great sale prices on their homes. They're also being replaced by younger families with apparently deeper pockets, which also isn't a bad thing. The challenge will come when the pandemic finally subsides and home values drop back toward reality - and these people will be on the hook for mortgages way above their property values.
 
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I met a guy who restored historic buildings in Gettysburg. He said he worked on buildings that were used as "hospitals" and the floors had blood stains that went so deep in the wood they couldn't be removed
Most of the buildings out there for miles around were used as hospitals. Great town to visit. My family and I learn something new every time we go there.
 
Some people who live in NJ and are fans of RU seem obsessed with bashing NJ and RU on this forum. Further, the OP consistently tries to tie every post in as a divisive political statement against the other side.
NJ is not looked upon as a viable place in 2020 and beyond. It has nothing to do with bashing Rutgers or the state. It is factual and sad. Sure. NJ has great food and restaurants if you can actually eat there . We have wonderful beaches but many don’t go because of the lack of respect by others. Schools are good based upon the info presented by the NJEA to the news media. There are many good ones in more affluent areas. There are also many not so desirable. What it says is there is a huge lack of proficiency in many other states.Just travel and you can see the divide. This is not like education back after WW II until the early 80’s... we are technically more advanced but that is not evident in many districts where tests scores are dreadfully low. Politics is and always has been at the forefront of conversation in NJ. The claim is we are always underfunding the educational system . Mostly this argument is a cover for a lack true openness on where those tax $$$$ go.
 
military bases are federal welfare for states. there's a reason why members of congress fight like hell to keep bases in the places they represent.

Agree to an extent. But the military is paid to protect the entire country's interests, not just the state where the base is located. Is Pearl Harbor a subsidy for Hawaii? Slightly but it is much more important to our national security. Counting that as a govt transfer is faulty.
 
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you guys who complain so much are welcome to leave the state. and those who already did, you have nothing to complain about, so stfu. don't let the door hit ya where god split ya.
 
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NJ is not looked upon as a viable place in 2020 and beyond. It has nothing to do with bashing Rutgers or the state. It is factual and sad. Sure. NJ has great food and restaurants if you can actually eat there . We have wonderful beaches but many don’t go because of the lack of respect by others. Schools are good based upon the info presented by the NJEA to the news media. There are many good ones in more affluent areas. There are also many not so desirable. What it says is there is a huge lack of proficiency in many other states.Just travel and you can see the divide. This is not like education back after WW II until the early 80’s... we are technically more advanced but that is not evident in many districts where tests scores are dreadfully low. Politics is and always has been at the forefront of conversation in NJ. The claim is we are always underfunding the educational system . Mostly this argument is a cover for a lack true openness on where those tax $$$$ go.

On that ballot 2 years ago in Ca. was more investment in education to allegedly fund more teachers for smaller class sizes. Upon further inspection, 97 cents out of every dollar was going directly to the existing teachers and the infrastructure that supports them- the union.

Thankfully and amazingly, it failed. Though that didn't usually doesn't stop the legislature here from passing things anyway, like gay marriage which failed 3 x.

Check out the sexual predator bill they just quietly passed. If you are a pedo not more than 10 years older, you don't have to be listed as on public watch lists. Evil stuff going on out here.
 
Agree to an extent. But the military is paid to protect the entire country's interests, not just the state where the base is located. Is Pearl Harbor a subsidy for Hawaii? Slightly but it is much more important to our national security. Counting that as a govt transfer is faulty.
pearl harbor is an extreme case. there is strategic value there. there's little extra strategic value of having bases in NJ if the option was to move them to delaware or eastern PA. i'm not advocating moving them, but it is definitely a source of income that goes beyond just the cost of the base and its personnel. the effect on the non-military local economy is significant.
 
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The market is booming around us. Homes are consistently going for $30K-50K over asking price. One house on our block sold for $475K in January, and was just turned over for $610K in August - with no occupants or work done in those intervening 7 months. I've been watching the estimates on our house from various websites climb sharply since January.

A friend has been trying to move out of Manville to other parts of Central Jersey, and he's been outbid 4 times - even while offering at least $20K over asking price each time.

The pandemic has been driving buyers with NYC salaries to escape the population density of the city and find properties where they can spend time outside not in such close proximity to other people as the pandemic continues on.

This is great news for retirees looking to move to parts south, as they're getting great sale prices on their homes. They're also being replaced by younger families with apparently deeper pockets, which also isn't a bad thing. The challenge will come when the pandemic finally subsides and home values drop back toward reality - and these people will be on the hook for mortgages way above their property values.
When people move out, other people move up, especially when interest rates are so low.
 
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On that ballot 2 years ago in Ca. was more investment in education to allegedly fund more teachers for smaller class sizes. Upon further inspection, 97 cents out of every dollar was going directly to the existing teachers and the infrastructure that supports them- the union.

Thankfully and amazingly, it failed. Though that didn't usually doesn't stop the legislature here from passing things anyway, like gay marriage which failed 3 x.

Check out the sexual predator bill they just quietly passed. If you are a pedo not more than 10 years older, you don't have to be listed as on public watch lists. Evil stuff going on out here.
NJ and CA are in a race to see who goes bankrupt first.
 
NJ is not looked upon as a viable place in 2020 and beyond. It has nothing to do with bashing Rutgers or the state. It is factual and sad. Sure. NJ has great food and restaurants if you can actually eat there . We have wonderful beaches but many don’t go because of the lack of respect by others. Schools are good based upon the info presented by the NJEA to the news media. There are many good ones in more affluent areas. There are also many not so desirable. What it says is there is a huge lack of proficiency in many other states.Just travel and you can see the divide. This is not like education back after WW II until the early 80’s... we are technically more advanced but that is not evident in many districts where tests scores are dreadfully low. Politics is and always has been at the forefront of conversation in NJ. The claim is we are always underfunding the educational system . Mostly this argument is a cover for a lack true openness on where those tax $$$$ go.
Quality post.
 
Are you off of 413 or 611?

In the Boro or the Township or one of the surrounding towns like Buckingham, Chalfont, Plumstead or New Britian??
Buckingham. You have me pretty well triangulated.
 
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Agree to an extent. But the military is paid to protect the entire country's interests, not just the state where the base is located. Is Pearl Harbor a subsidy for Hawaii? Slightly but it is much more important to our national security. Counting that as a govt transfer is faulty.
Believe what you wish but Pearl and the many other branches there on Oahu are a subsidy. A protection certainly but a subsidy more so.
 
Pennsy is the place to be for those at or near retirement.

No state tax on anything retirement related.

Doylestown area = 45 minutes to Rutgers Stadium or the RAC.


There is no NJ Income Tax if you are 62 and your joint retirement income is less than $100,000. Your social security is not included in reaching the $100k since it is never taxed in NJ
 
There is no NJ Income Tax if you are 62 and your joint retirement income is less than $100,000. Your social security is not included in reaching the $100k since it is never taxed in NJ
NJ is one of the worst states for retirees. Normal property taxes alone bankrupt many seniors.
 
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Buckingham. You ok have me pretty well triangulated.

We're practically neighbors! After college, I bought and renovated an old carriage house off of Aquetong Road not too far from the murder farm. Thinking about doing the same to a place up in Lumberville/Erwinna so we have a place on the river to eventually settle into. Only 37 though, so settling is a long ways off.
 
Since the pensions are one of the biggest financial issues, there is one easy reform that would save a lot of money.

The workers like to fight every attempt at pension reform with the argument that they have paid "their fair share" into their pension (which is debatable). Well, the one thing that isn't debatable is that the workers have made their contributions as a % of whatever salary they were making at the time while currently their pension payout is paid based on their highest salaries.

If a teacher gets hired at 40,000 and retires at 90,000, and was paid an average salary of 70,000 during their working career, their pension should be based on 70,000, not 90,000. That is how their contributions came into the fund and that is what would be fair to them and the taxpayers.
Actually they are grossly underpaid
 
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