Sanders not invited to combine
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Even though he'd rate as one of the best athletes there, they generally invite guys with the best chances of being drafted. Not sure a guy like Tony Carr is much better pro prospect than Sanders, but with his college production he gets the combine nod.
Pretty sure that it’s consensus that Carr gets drafted. Sanders is not even on top 100 lists.
I’m sure they are looking for the best basketball players, not athletes for the NBA combine. It’s not football where there are 7 rounds and those measurables can really launch you up the draft board.
It’s interesting because I’m one of those here would have loved to see Sanders stay but also think the loss is being over blown.
Sanders was a good Big Ten guard that showed moments of being great. But he didn’t play great enough to be considered a “great” player.
Maybe this move was about the money and he plans on going to Europe. If he doesn’t get drafted and ends up playing for peanuts in the “G” league, sounds like he got bad advice
He can still work out for NBA teams, if they invite him to. I'm expecting Sacramento to invite him.
Tony Carr is a much better pro prospect than Sanders.
Don't agree, and the only thing that would prove me incorrect is Carr making it in the NBA. Both will get paid to play somewhere.
True, but for now the website NBA Draft News ranks Carr the No. 66 available prospect.
Sanders did not make their top-100.
Just feels like splitting hairs. Both will most likely end up overseas or in the G-League. Carr shot a much better percentage from 3, but there is no reason to think Sanders isn't capable of shooting much better than the sub-30% clip from 3 that he had the last couple years. In fact I think he will wherever he ends up.
Why is there no reason to think that ?
He hasn't shown himself to be much a shooter.
More of an off the dribble and pull up guy from I've seen-----and in the NBA you have to be bigger to do that.
He hasn't shown himself to be much a shooter.
More of an off the dribble and pull up guy from I've seen-----and in the NBA you have to be bigger to do that.
We all love how Corey closed out his career at RU, but it would surprise me if he was an NBA player. Seems destined for Europe. Can make some coin playing a game. Not the worst case scenario.
NBA arc is further out, too - no reason to think that he'd be significantly better from further out against taller/faster defenders. He'll stick somewhere overseas, and hopefully can shoot just well enough to keep defenses honest.
I honestly think it is more psychological and needing to work hard in practice than anything else with him. Think how horrible he was early this year offensively against weak out of conference teams, then compare to games against SHU, Purdue, etc.
Given his body of work, I think there is plenty of reason to think Sanders isn't capable of shooting much better than the sub-30% clip from 3 that he had the last couple years.
Especially when you factor in that the FIBA three-point line is approximately 1 foot 8 inches further back than the NCAA three-point line.
He shot 32% from 3 his freshman year when creating all his own shots for himself, and shooting a far higher volume than the last 2 years. Tony Carr, the comp in this thread, also shot 32% from 3 his freshman year. Things change game to game, year to year. Carr, incidentally, also had a worse field goal percentage for his career than Sanders, which means he was pretty bad at making shots inside the arc.
I'm just going to put Tony Carr off to the side for a moment because I don't care about him anyway lol. But to your points about Sanders:
--Making 32 percent of 3FG really isn't anything to write home about. I think the B1G player who ranked 15th in the conference in 3FG percent was at 39 percent.
--He did not create all his own shots for himself. I just checked Synergy Sports and in the 2015-16 season Sanders attempted 41 no dribble jump shots. Some were the result of him moving along the baseline into the corner catching a pass and shooting. Some were the result of him standing around above the arc and a teammate kicking it out to him.
That is hardly "creating all his own shots for himself."
As a Rutgers fan I get it that you are a fan of Sanders and appreciate all he gave of himself to the program, but he didn't create all his own shots for himself during his freshman year.
I feel like we're getting too deep here. Of course I didn't mean that he received zero catch and shoot opportunities. He relied on a patented jab step, step back three a lot his freshman year. As far as 32%, I wasn't intending to write home about it at all. I was noting that it is the same percentage Carr shot in the same year of eligibility. Carr shot it way better this year, while Sanders' percentages tanked. My only point was that, as you know, shooting percentages will fluctuate and nobody is defined by what they've put on the stat sheet in the past. People also improve at things. You could look at any number of NBA players and see stark differences in their shooting stats year to year, or guys who improved on the three ball dramatically from early in their careers.
Corey’s best move to get to the NBA was one more year at RU. But he needed to start making money now. Unfortunately, chances are slim that he will ever make the NBA.
People can improve at things - but that doesn't mean they do. It's also much harder to improve at something if the level of difficulty is increasing at the same time (longer distance arc, better defenders). It's unlikely that Corey will do much better than .333 (and will likely be sub-.320) from range at the professional level. It's just not his game - he needs to make enough to keep defenses honest, but expecting him to suddenly turn into a decent deep threat is too much.
He needs to dribble into his range and pull up, or drive to the hoop - if he can do that and distribute to better shooters on the perimeter, he'll probably make a decent living somewhere, but not in the NBA.
I only got deep because you said he created all his own shots, which he didn't.
Yes, people improve at things, and Corey could improve BUT my original point is that I think there is plenty of reason to think Sanders isn't capable of shooting much better than the sub-30% clip from 3 that he had the last couple years. Plus I watched him for three years in HS and AAU and he wasn't a very reliable perimeter shooter then either. Add in that the three-point line will be further back than it ever has been for Corey and the odds are against him.
I think it would be great if he overcomes them, but given what I've seen over the past six years I wouldn't bet on it.
Rooting for Corey to find a way....
We all have known for some time that Corey is not NBA material, regardless of how long he stayed here. Look at Douby, couldn't stick in the NBA and Corey couldn't carry QD's lunch box. Go overseas and play wherever they will pay you the most money, get a good financial advisor and listen to him/her, and play for as long as they will continue to pay you. No reason he can't make a great life for his family but it won't be in North America.
Once Corey abandoned the 3 late in the season and concentrated on the mid-range game, he improved dramatically, keying our run at the Garden. Agree with Russ-he has shown us over the past few seasons that he should not shoot the 3 except in an emergency. Said that last year, and would bet Pike said that to him many times, which accounted for him sitting down a time or two. He would have sat more if we had more on the bench than Williams, Mensah and Bullock. Especially when Williams got hurt.
His mid-range game was dynamic at the end, as though he finally figured it out. He was more animated, more vocal. Who knows where he will play. They don't make huge salaries overseas, but they only seem to play once or twice a week, and he can enjoy life there. Hopefully a better landing spot than Lithuania.
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His mid-range game was dynamic at the end, as though he finally figured it out. He was more animated, more vocal. Who knows where he will play. They don't make huge salaries overseas, but they only seem to play once or twice a week, and he can enjoy life there. Hopefully a better landing spot than Lithuania.
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Career numbers on 3s...
Carr: 121/306 (39.5%)
Sanders: 83/303 (27.4%)
Carr was also about 10% better for their careers on FTs on a nearly identical number of attempts. There isn't really much evidence of any kind that Sanders is likely to be a better (or even similar) shooter at the professional level. It just isn't a skill of his. He's a great athlete, but he can't really shoot. And it isn't even just the teammates around them. Sanders only had 10 made 3s this year that were unassisted, Carr had 35. Even during his freshman season when you note he created everything for himself, only 18 of his 41 made 3s were unassisted. 23 of them were set up by somebody else.
Sanders is better at finishing in traffic than Carr, but he's a worse shooter from basically everywhere else which is a massively important NBA skill.
Reading this thread just validates all the things that Coach P has been saying about Corey.
We are really going to miss him on the defensive end of the court.
I wish Corey well in his future endeavors and thank him for his 3 years here but even though his "time of possession" on the offensive end of the floor was massive I don't think we will miss him all that much offensively.
The hit will be on the defensive end. After the coaching change occurred Corey learned how to play exceptional defense.
We are really going to miss him on the defensive end of the court.
I wish Corey well in his future endeavors and thank him for his 3 years here but even though his "time of possession" on the offensive end of the floor was massive I don't think we will miss him all that much offensively.
The hit will be on the defensive end. After the coaching change occurred Corey learned how to play exceptional defense.
There's no reason why a player with his athleticism shouldn't be a great defensive player. That's what defense really is, athleticism and desire, and maybe a little bit of anticipation/instincts. It's not like offense where if you can't shoot, the defense can take a large part of your game away.
I think there is little chance he will be shooting a higher three percentage from a greater distance.
He also was a one man press break. I think teams will be challenging our ball handling as a team this year with more full and half court pressure.
When Jordan in his last year couldn't defend anybody everyone said it was because he didn't have good enough players. Pikiel proved them all wrong. You got it. It's about athleticism and desire, and throw in technique. You don't have to be a great player to play great defense.
Don't agree...ton of credit goes to Corey and to a lesser extent the coaching staff.
We should have stayed for he final year at RU, needs more development.
if you can't break a press, your guards shouldn't be on scholarship. You don't need a 1 man press break, just a team that can pass the ball.
Russ, maybe he can have a Kawhi Leonard like transformation from College to Pro ?
The good news for the Spurs is there wasn’t much to actually fix: Engelland told the San Antonio Express-News that Leonard’s shot form didn’t need a full makeover. Instead, “with just a tune-up,” Engelland said, “[Leonard] could become a very good shooter, if not a great shooter.” By getting Leonard to shoot the ball in front of his face versus over his head, the thought was that it would give Leonard a lot more control of the ball. It paid off immediately with him making 41 3-pointers in 64 games at a 37.6 percent clip as a rookie.
https://fansided.com/2017/05/10/kawhi-leonard-3-point-jump-shot-nba-draft/
Plus he played great D. Carr may be a slightly better shooter but still think Corey has a better upside. Corey was asked to do so much more.
I just saw where Sanders had a workout for the Cavs today and has a session with Washington coming up.
