Schiano needs more support to Win Championships

[rutgersal]

There has been the typical offseason grousing that we aren’t winning as much as we should. This is meant to address that.

Provide Schiano adequate support, and he’ll win as much as you desire. He was recruiting mostly 4 and 5 ⭐️ at Miami and Ohio State. His protege, Mario Cristobal at Miami, just landed arguably the #1 recruit in the country, a 5 ⭐️ OL by the name of Jackson Cantwell of Missouri. Rutgers was never a consideration, because our value proposition isn’t strong enough. Even though our location is excellent.

At Rutgers, the typical recruit is 3 ⭐️, though the caliber of recruit we are getting seems to be improving year after year. What’s the biggest difference between Rutgers, Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State, and Miami? The fans desire for success. Winning is not as big a priority here, and that hampers recruiting. Most of the fanbase thinks that all you need to do is pay for your tickets and parking. **Newsflash** That’s not enough.

Unlike the head coaches at Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State, Schiano hasn’t been provided with the tools needed to be successful.

• A Fieldhouse
  • Michigan has two
• Adequate NIL support
  • There is some support but not enough to win Championships

This puts us at a significant competitive disadvantage in recruiting. If I were to take my RutgersAl hat off, I would choose Michigan because they are arguably the #1 State School in the Nation and they have the resources to achieve success at the highest levels. By far, the most popular clothing brand worn in NYC’s Central Park is Michigan’s. I notice that during my workouts. Their alumni have a tremendous amount of pride, and they have two men’s alumni softball teams which play in Central Park.

Even Maryland and Syracuse have Fieldhouses which have been built recently, supported by a significant amount of privately raised funds. They also have stronger NIL support.

Rutgers Fieldhouse designs are complete. But there is no money to build.

• We need to raise $75M for Construction to start
  • This could be accomplished with 750 people donating $100K over 5 years ($25K per year)

they had to shelve the project for now, and Schiano has to downplay its effectiveness in recruiting, when everyone knows the quality of facilities is a proxy for the fanbase’s commitment to success.

So in typical Rutgers fashion, we will do the best we can, with what we have, noting there is a significant talent discrepancy with the top of the conference. That means we will typically win 5-9 games a year. That is a significant improvement from the 2-5 win band we were performing at, under Chris Ash.

Most years we will fall somewhere in the middle of the range. This year, we might have a chance to do better if we get lucky with injuries, thx to a mature roster, and better depth, especially at Quarterback. Who wants to depend on luck? I’d prefer to have the support to win 10-12 games. Unfortunately, the fanbase desire just isn’t there.
So I feel resigned to our fate of mediocrity.

 

[scarletbergen]

It’s time to accept that we don’t have the big donors needed to regularly compete for the playoffs. With the donors we have, 7 wins will be our ceiling. Recruiting 4star players is ONLY about MONEY. Schiano is doing a masterful job with limited resources.

 

[rutgersal]

It’s time to accept that we don’t have the big donors needed to regularly compete for the playoffs. With the donors we have, 7 wins will be our ceiling. Recruiting 4star players is ONLY about MONEY. Schiano is doing a masterful job with limited resources.

Yes he is. If we don’t provide the support while he is here, this whole thing will go to pot, because no one else will have the same passion, knowledge, and provide the same effort.

 

[RULoyal]

Unless we land a whale, our financial giving situation will remain what it has always been.

 

[newell138]

Do we need a new post on this every week? It is what it is. Most teams will not be able to compete with the blue bloods so time to accept it. Even Charles Barkley says he isn't donating his money to this fools errand.

Charles Barkley Again Rips NIL in College Sports: 'Stupidest Thing I've Ever Heard'

Chuck did not hold back.

www.si.com

 

[RUich]

Getting into the BIG made winning really tough. Not enough lower teams to get those wins.
Rutgers just doesn't have the type of fans that the other league teams do. Money is the key and we do not have enough of it.
End of story.

 

[DJ Spanky]

 

[scarletbergen]

Yes, Don Quixote! Rutgers as an institution really is about truth, beauty, honor, virtue, love, and justice. It’s hard, but we are the good guys!

I think Coach Schiano’s football teams exhibit many of those ideals.

Score once more!

 

[JayDogSmooth]

He’s not getting us over the hump, Al

Great motivator and teacher of young men, terrific program builder, and somebody else would want my son to play for

But his ceiling is a consistent eight wins
Think of Kirk Firenz at Iowa - maybe the occasional nine or 10 season, but we will not be elite under him

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Holy shit, ….WE ALL KNOW…. You’re completely wasting your breath my friend. Why do you bother? You’re preaching to the choir of all choirs.

 

[ClassOf02]

tl;dr, but I’m guessing it’s the same Al book report as always.

 

[NickRU714]

Do we need a new post on this every week? It is what it is. Most teams will not be able to compete with the blue bloods so time to accept it. Even Charles Barkley says he isn't donating his money to this fools errand.

Charles Barkley Again Rips NIL in College Sports: 'Stupidest Thing I've Ever Heard'

Chuck did not hold back.

www.si.com

"I've said before, I've given more money to Auburn, legal or illegal, than any athlete in the history of the school."

What a hypocrite.
So he's fine donating money to pay for coaches and any other AD expense to make sure Auburn is good at sports.
But he won't donate to pay athletes to make sure Auburn is good at sports.

Pay an AD secretary? Take my money!
Pay an athlete actually on the field? No way!

 

[newell138]

"I've said before, I've given more money to Auburn, legal or illegal, than any athlete in the history of the school."

What a hypocrite.
So he's fine donating money to pay for coaches and any other AD expense to make sure Auburn is good at sports.
But he won't donate to pay athletes to make sure Auburn is good at sports.

Pay an AD secretary? Take my money!
Pay an athlete actually on the field? No way!

obviously the "illegal" payments were directly to athletes. What he is saying is he is not contributing directly to NIL. Its his money shouldn't he be allowed to give where he wants? In the pay to play era, RU will never be top tier, time to accept the facts. It was hard enough when everyone was on a level playing field and even that is questionable.

 

[ru66]

It’s time to accept that we don’t have the big donors needed to regularly compete for the playoffs. With the donors we have, 7 wins will be our ceiling. Recruiting 4star players is ONLY about MONEY. Schiano is doing a masterful job with limited resources.

I hate that night Donor excuse. What w r need is support from high and low.

 

[RU#1fan]

Time for more to step up and donate…at all levels

 

[scarletbergen]

I hate that night Donor excuse. What w r need is support from high and low.

Michigan paid $12,000,000 for a freshman QB. That’s just one freshman.
Imagine the team payroll!

 

[scarletbergen]

He’s not getting us over the hump, Al

Great motivator and teacher of young men, terrific program builder, and somebody else would want my son to play for

But his ceiling is a consistent eight wins
Think of Kirk Firenz at Iowa - maybe the occasional nine or 10 season, but we will not be elite under him

It’s the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

 

[Plum Street]

schiano is not winning any championships here and neither is anyone else in this landscape.
He may win his 4th game at Yankee stadium this year.

 

[Section124]

The blue bloods need teams to play. That is our role. Stepping stone for them for the playoffs. It will never happen here so I don't know why Al keeps posting this fantasy.

 

[NickRU714]

If $75m is needed from "donors" - How much is the AD contributing?

Shouldn't the amount needed from "donors" go down as the AD itself allocates more and more funds annually to the project?

For example, $75m is needed today.
So next year only $70m is needed- because the AD allocated $5m of their annual revenue to the project.

There has been the typical offseason grousing that we aren’t winning as much as we should. This is meant to address that.

Provide Schiano adequate support, and he’ll win as much as you desire. He was recruiting mostly 4 and 5 ⭐️ at Miami and Ohio State. His protege, Mario Cristobal at Miami, just landed arguably the #1 recruit in the country, a 5 ⭐️ OL by the name of Jackson Cantwell of Missouri. Rutgers was never a consideration, because our value proposition isn’t strong enough. Even though our location is excellent.

At Rutgers, the typical recruit is 3 ⭐️, though the caliber of recruit we are getting seems to be improving year after year. What’s the biggest difference between Rutgers, Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State, and Miami? The fans desire for success. Winning is not as big a priority here, and that hampers recruiting. Most of the fanbase thinks that all you need to do is pay for your tickets and parking. **Newsflash** That’s not enough.

Unlike the head coaches at Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State, Schiano hasn’t been provided with the tools needed to be successful.

• A Fieldhouse
  • Michigan has two
• Adequate NIL support
  • There is some support but not enough to win Championships

This puts us at a significant competitive disadvantage in recruiting. If I were to take my RutgersAl hat off, I would choose Michigan because they are arguably the #1 State School in the Nation and they have the resources to achieve success at the highest levels. By far, the most popular clothing brand worn in NYC’s Central Park is Michigan’s. I notice that during my workouts. Their alumni have a tremendous amount of pride, and they have two men’s alumni softball teams which play in Central Park.

Even Maryland and Syracuse have Fieldhouses which have been built recently, supported by a significant amount of privately raised funds. They also have stronger NIL support.

Rutgers Fieldhouse designs are complete. But there is no money to build.

• We need to raise $75M for Construction to start
  • This could be accomplished with 750 people donating $100K over 5 years ($25K per year)

they had to shelve the project for now, and Schiano has to downplay its effectiveness in recruiting, when everyone knows the quality of facilities is a proxy for the fanbase’s commitment to success.

So in typical Rutgers fashion, we will do the best we can, with what we have, noting there is a significant talent discrepancy with the top of the conference. That means we will typically win 5-9 games a year. That is a significant improvement from the 2-5 win band we were performing at, under Chris Ash.

Most years we will fall somewhere in the middle of the range. This year, we might have a chance to do better if we get lucky with injuries, thx to a mature roster, and better depth, especially at Quarterback. Who wants to depend on luck? I’d prefer to have the support to win 10-12 games. Unfortunately, the fanbase desire just isn’t there.
So I feel resigned to our fate of mediocrity.

 

[vkj91]

Schiano had all the support in the world 1.0 version. We were on par in every way with our league mates. He never won. He’s not winning in the B1G regardless of NIL or field houses. He’s a great leader, very good DC, solid recruiter, average at best game day coach.

 

[RU-Kidding]

He’s not getting us over the hump, Al

Great motivator and teacher of young men, terrific program builder, and somebody else would want my son to play for

But his ceiling is a consistent eight wins
Think of Kirk Firenz at Iowa - maybe the occasional nine or 10 season, but we will not be elite under him

Tough to be elite with the blue bloods considering our relatively small fervent fan base, well documented poor level of alum donations and pathetic level of State funding / support for both academic and athletic facilities.

It’s foolish to expect more on a consistent basis given these current limitations.

Sure, I’d like my Chevy to be transformed into a Mercedes but it’s not happening in my driveway nor will any such miracle happen at Rutgers anytime soon absent multi-million $ donations while the unregulated NIL arms race continues.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Tough to be elite with the blue bloods considering our relatively small fervent fan base, well documented poor level of alum donations and pathetic level of State funding / support for both academic and athletic facilities.

It’s foolish to expect more on a consistent basis given these current limitations.

Sure, I’d like my Chevy to be transformed into a Mercedes but it’s not happening in my driveway nor will any such miracle happen at Rutgers anytime soon absent multi-million $ donations while the unregulated NIL arms race continues.

We will only be Elite if we get a whale donor or donors to buy in / donate

I certainly don’t expect that right now. But what I do expect, in year 20 of his coaching tenure, with stop at Ohio State $ the NFL in between, is to not be repeating the same mistakes as he did during GS 1.0.

Though he’s evolved to a point, he is still the same old Greg at the end of the day. There’s been numerous examples of that throughout GS 2.0, and none more frustrating than during the Illinois debacle last year.

 

[RUGuitarMan]

The never ending Quixotic quest for a fieldhouse and championship football. RU is fortunate to be in this athletic conference. It could have played out differently. Continue to get more competitive should be the goal. Maybe we will have one of those magical years at some point, which would be a qualifier in a 16 team playoff. We are not going to be Michigan or OSU.

 

[Mufasa94]

"I've said before, I've given more money to Auburn, legal or illegal, than any athlete in the history of the school."

What a hypocrite.
So he's fine donating money to pay for coaches and any other AD expense to make sure Auburn is good at sports.
But he won't donate to pay athletes to make sure Auburn is good at sports.

Pay an AD secretary? Take my money!
Pay an athlete actually on the field? No way!

The hypocrite part would be if his “illegal” payments before were to players and now he refuses payments to players.

The general thought that college players shouldn’t be paid while those in the athletic department are paid isn’t hypocritical. One having this view may not agree all positions in the athletic department are necessary and/or appropriate.

 

[ashokan]

Need to get past the "Dockers offense."
Play to win instead of not to lose.
Get some team personality - dump the Siamese mesh with QB/RB hitting the LOS like a suicide pact.
Good QBs have little reason to go to RU
Competing coaches could easily list the wake of trailing wreckage.

 

[RUbacker]

He’s not getting us over the hump, Al

Great motivator and teacher of young men, terrific program builder, and somebody else would want my son to play for

But his ceiling is a consistent eight wins
Think of Kirk Firenz at Iowa - maybe the occasional nine or 10 season, but we will not be elite under him

He can’t get over the hump without MONEY like the big boys. He has what it takes but unless we get him more to close the money gap with big guys it will be tough.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Get our property taxes in line with most of the country and not 4-5x everyone else- and everyone may have an extra 10k just lying around each year..,
A bunch of posters on this site and in NJ just don’t have the disposable income..,

 

[sdwcpa]

Michigan paid $12,000,000 for a freshman QB. That’s just one freshman.
Imagine the team payroll!

That 12M came from Larry Ellison who is worth 86B and is banging some chick young enough to be his granddaughter who happens to be a Michigan alum who has a jihadist hatred for Ohio State.

 

[bac2therac]

tl;dr, but I’m guessing it’s the same Al book report as always.

Al did make message board geniuses yet again this week

 

[T2Kplus20]

Unless we land a whale, our financial giving situation will remain what it has always been.

+1
Begging normal alumni/donors to give a few extra bucks is like spitting in the ocean. Need to land a whale or two to make a difference.

 

[Panthergrowl13]

There has been the typical offseason grousing that we aren’t winning as much as we should. This is meant to address that.

Provide Schiano adequate support, and he’ll win as much as you desire. He was recruiting mostly 4 and 5 ⭐️ at Miami and Ohio State. His protege, Mario Cristobal at Miami, just landed arguably the #1 recruit in the country, a 5 ⭐️ OL by the name of Jackson Cantwell of Missouri. Rutgers was never a consideration, because our value proposition isn’t strong enough. Even though our location is excellent.

At Rutgers, the typical recruit is 3 ⭐️, though the caliber of recruit we are getting seems to be improving year after year. What’s the biggest difference between Rutgers, Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State, and Miami? The fans desire for success. Winning is not as big a priority here, and that hampers recruiting. Most of the fanbase thinks that all you need to do is pay for your tickets and parking. **Newsflash** That’s not enough.

Unlike the head coaches at Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State, Schiano hasn’t been provided with the tools needed to be successful.

• A Fieldhouse
  • Michigan has two
• Adequate NIL support
  • There is some support but not enough to win Championships

This puts us at a significant competitive disadvantage in recruiting. If I were to take my RutgersAl hat off, I would choose Michigan because they are arguably the #1 State School in the Nation and they have the resources to achieve success at the highest levels. By far, the most popular clothing brand worn in NYC’s Central Park is Michigan’s. I notice that during my workouts. Their alumni have a tremendous amount of pride, and they have two men’s alumni softball teams which play in Central Park.

Even Maryland and Syracuse have Fieldhouses which have been built recently, supported by a significant amount of privately raised funds. They also have stronger NIL support.

Rutgers Fieldhouse designs are complete. But there is no money to build.

• We need to raise $75M for Construction to start
  • This could be accomplished with 750 people donating $100K over 5 years ($25K per year)

they had to shelve the project for now, and Schiano has to downplay its effectiveness in recruiting, when everyone knows the quality of facilities is a proxy for the fanbase’s commitment to success.

So in typical Rutgers fashion, we will do the best we can, with what we have, noting there is a significant talent discrepancy with the top of the conference. That means we will typically win 5-9 games a year. That is a significant improvement from the 2-5 win band we were performing at, under Chris Ash.

Most years we will fall somewhere in the middle of the range. This year, we might have a chance to do better if we get lucky with injuries, thx to a mature roster, and better depth, especially at Quarterback. Who wants to depend on luck? I’d prefer to have the support to win 10-12 games. Unfortunately, the fanbase desire just isn’t there.
So I feel resigned to our fate of mediocrity.

Al your a good poster but sometimes you have to acknowledge the reality of the situation.

One can build a successful football program (Not National Championship Caliber) with Rival 3-Star recruits and a few Rival 4-Stars.

The more top teams that the B1G collects (Expansion Fatigue) the harder it will be for Rutgers to ever contend for the National Titles.

Take Nebraska for example, while in the Big 12 they won the Big 12 North Division 6 times and won the Big 12 Championship twice.

Nebraska has won 5 National Titles and ONE while in the Big 12.

How is Nebraska doing since they joined the B1G.

If the General Public begins to believe that College Football National Championships are won by the Teams (10-15) that spend the most money then interest in the game may begin to wane. As I said previously, TV viewership for the National Championship Game between
Ohio State and Notre Dame was down 12%.

Even if Rutgers would build a new field house I don't believe it would change the situation much.

The "Baby Bust" generation will have a profound effect on the Nation just as the "Baby Boom" generation had.

Penn State is confronting the first wave of the Baby Bust generation with the closing of 7 Branch Campuses and will have a Public Comment meeting next week. I wonder if anyone will bring up the fact that PSU will spend $700 million for a upgrade to Beaver Stadium (used 7 times a year) and spend millions for students to play football (NIL).

Winning a National Championship is not a BIG Deal anymore (IMO) if you have to pay to play.

Just enjoy Rutgers football games even if they are 7-5.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[rutgersal]

Schiano had all the support in the world 1.0 version. We were on par in every way with our league mates. He never won. He’s not winning in the B1G regardless of NIL or field houses. He’s a great leader, very good DC, solid recruiter, average at best game day coach.

While he didn’t win, he came close in 2006 and Rutgers came close in 2012, mostly thanks to his efforts. What he did do, was build a credible football product, so that Rutgers could be invited to the Big Ten, which was huge.

Rutgers is far more selective and prestigious today than it was in 2001, and that’s in large part due to his hard work and dedication.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

While he didn’t win, he came close in 2006 and Rutgers came close in 2012, mostly thanks to his efforts. What he did do, was build a credible football product, so that Rutgers could be invited to the Big Ten, which was huge.

Rutgers is far more selective and prestigious today than it was in 2001, and that’s in large part due to his hard work and dedication.

We'll agree to disagree Al
Great man, but can't coach worth a lick

 

[newell138]

He can’t get over the hump without MONEY like the big boys. He has what it takes but unless we get him more to close the money gap with big guys it will be tough.

What you and Al don’t understand is that if we do happen to raise the funds to compete with the blue bloods is that they will in turn just get more money, so you still won’t have enough and then you have to do it all over again the next year. It’s not sustainable as the beast always needs more money

 

[Plum Street]

We'll agree to disagree Al
Great man, but can't coach worth a lick

I wouldn’t say that . He's the greatest coach in Rutgers history. He brings us respect . You saw what happened here in the last 40 years when he wasn’t the coach . Thats a large enough sample size to say he’s great for Rutgers

 

[bac2therac]

"I've said before, I've given more money to Auburn, legal or illegal, than any athlete in the history of the school."

What a hypocrite.
So he's fine donating money to pay for coaches and any other AD expense to make sure Auburn is good at sports.
But he won't donate to pay athletes to make sure Auburn is good at sports.

Pay an AD secretary? Take my money!
Pay an athlete actually on the field? No way!

Barkley is 100% correct

 

[Section124]

Al is a great fan, but saying Schiano and 2012 got us close is loser talk. We didn't even finish in the Top 2 in the watered-down Big East in 2006. Had to go to a lower bowl game. 2012 was a miss since we would have gone to a New Year's Day bowl. Again, we come up small in the big moment.

Basketball gets 2 generational talents and can't even have a winning season. Pretty much every team lets us down. We are so lucky to be in the B1G but our role is to be 8-5 in a great year.

A poster above made a good point in that after you consider the lack of support for Rutgers, NJ is just too expensive for anyone to want to contribute more. If you can't land whales, just be happy getting to a bowl once in a while, the tailgates and the 6-7 fall Saturday's. It's never going to be more than that.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Tough to be elite with the blue bloods considering our relatively small fervent fan base, well documented poor level of alum donations and pathetic level of State funding / support for both academic and athletic facilities.

It’s foolish to expect more on a consistent basis given these current limitations.

Sure, I’d like my Chevy to be transformed into a Mercedes but it’s not happening in my driveway nor will any such miracle happen at Rutgers anytime soon absent multi-million $ donations while the unregulated NIL arms race continues.

We will only be Elite if we get a whale donor or donors to buy in / donate

I certainly don’t expect that right now. But what I do expect, in year 20 of his coaching tenure, with stop at Ohio State $ the NFL in between, is to not be repeating the same mistakes as he did during GS 1.0.

Though he’s evolved to a point, he is still the same old Greg at the end of the day. There’s been numerous examples of that throughout GS 2.0, and none more frustrating than during the Illinois debacle last year.

I wouldn’t say that . He's the greatest coach in Rutgers history. He brings us respect . You saw what happened here in the last 40 years when he wasn’t the coach . Thats a large enough sample size to say he’s great for Rutgers

I love the guy plum, but his limitations will prohibit us from getting Elite. Even if we got the funds, or a whale donor, those would have to outweigh this bonehead coaching decisions and stubborn insistence on being entirely to conservative entirely when it matters, as well as his inability to consistentlyrecruit elite offensive talent due to those aforementioned limitations and continued stubborn ways

 

[rutgersal]

What you and Al don’t understand is that if we do happen to raise the funds to compete with the blue bloods is that they will in turn just get more money, so you still won’t have enough and then you have to do it all over again the next year. It’s not sustainable as the beast always needs more money

What you don’t understand is that the people providing the money will always have more to give.
Please look up Stephen Ross and Louis Wexner.

This is the conference we chose to play in, and no one had a problem with it until they were asked to support. We don’t need blue blood money but we do need more than we have now to carve out a consistently competitive existence. We won’t be a yearly contender, but we should be able to have a special season every once in a while.

You can’t say I’m not going to give anything and expect Rutgers to compete.