While I kind of agree, the idea of rebuilds is that you show some general progress towards the goal before years 4 & 5 as opposed to getting further away from it.
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While I kind of agree, the idea of rebuilds is that you show some general progress towards the goal before years 4 & 5 as opposed to getting further away from it.
That assumes the coaches know what they’re doing. This coach didn’t know what he was doing, hence the longer timeframe.
furthermore I'd wager that some of the yes's had already been "partial" in the previous year.
not on the list myself.. but we are a "partial" this year.
Disagree.. It is sad.
While the mood inside the stadium was awful after Shea and in GS' early years... and in GS year 3 there were some very vocal critics.. but enough people saw what was going on.. saw improvements here and there... saw the method in the madness.
This is not the same thing.. perhaps because we play in the Big Ten East.. but there are big issues AND the price of attending is high. Where are Rutgers fans to look for hope?
While true... the Prez failed to hire a qualified AD.. the AD failed to hire a qualified head coach.. and the lawyers failed to constrain his contract properly... while both AD and HC have the same agent.
How could Greg Brown, or the BOG as a whole, do any worse?
A couple of bad seasons is fine with me, provided there are clear signs of improvement and reason for optimism on the horizon. I have seen now several bad seasons (11-37 over the last 4) and see no reason to expect this coming year will change that trend.
The obvious downside is that you run the risk the booster makes a self serving choice (is corrupt). I believe when I attended UNC and Mack brown was hired the rams club was certainly represented one way or another but I remember at least one student leader was on that committee. They made a pretty good choice as brown had been called "the future of college football".
Not a bad example..
When Barchi was considering hiring Hobbs as AD.. from whom did he get input? Did anyone warn him about hiring someone with no football experience AND no Big Ten (or big conference) experience and with limited AD experience?
ANYONE?
When Hobbs was hiring Ash.. did anyone warn him about hiring someone with no head coaching experience?
Anyone?
I would imagine a more open committee process who are given the confidence to speak freely might have produced such warnings. What is done with those warnings is another issue.
Not on the original list, but you can add me to the list:
Had 6 - 3 and 3 for a friend
reducing to 4. 2 and 2 for a friend.
Hence its a huge waste of time and money keeping him another year to drag the program even further down.
Do Barchi and or Hobbs even care?
Dont forget Hobbs was a 'gift' from Christie to 'straighten' the mess out caused by Flood and Hermann.
boy..has this ever gone sideways.
I have this question:
Gregg Brown has learned ALOT from the Schiano days.
Does anyone think Gregg Brown, a CEO of a multi million dollar company,couldnt hire a search firm himself,get input from other connections he surely has from being involved in athletics this long,and not come up with a better candidate then Hobbs did?
Barchi(and Hobbs?) seems to be one of the main stumbling blocks here in not allowing Brown to take control.for football.
Hobbs has hard enough time hiring,and overseeing a HC for Olympic sports.
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Here,fan favorite Dan Duggan asks about Hobbs lack of experience and knowledge about running a football program back when he was hired.Dec 2015!
https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/...s_from_rutgers_ad_pat_hobbs_introductory.html
1. Hobbs says his lack of football experience shouldn't be a concern :scream:
Hobbs has an impressive resume: Dean of Seton Hall's law school, two years as Seton Hall's interim athletic director, independent ethics ombudsman to Gov. Chris Christie . But there's a major hole in Hobbs' resume that's impossible to ignore, especially as he sets out to hire a new football coach in his first week on the job: He doesn't have any football experience.
https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/...s_from_rutgers_ad_pat_hobbs_introductory.html
1. Hobbs says his lack of football experience shouldn't be a concern :scream:
Hobbs has an impressive resume: Dean of Seton Hall's law school, two years as Seton Hall's interim athletic director, independent ethics ombudsman to Gov. Chris Christie . But there's a major hole in Hobbs' resume that's impossible to ignore, especially as he sets out to hire a new football coach in his first week on the job: He doesn't have any football experience.
hahha..sure Pat! thats why in Dec of 2018 youand/or Barchi told Brown NO when money was raised to can Ash!
"Hobbs will lean heavily on board of governors chairman Greg Brown and committee on intercollegiate athletics chairman Ken Schmidt, as well as "a few friends in the sports business right now who I trust their counsel on coaches.""
"Hobbs will lean heavily on board of governors chairman Greg Brown and committee on intercollegiate athletics chairman Ken Schmidt, as well as "a few friends in the sports business right now who I trust their counsel on coaches.""
Yeah, but it was ignored. I even ignored it , mostly because I thought the new AD couldn’t hire worse than flood. Then I remember that fateful Saturday in December 2015 and I had to come to this board to post “ash will get us smashed.”
Renewing at least 10 of 14, but one guy who has been doing 4 tix to 4 games each for several years (and we fill in with a few other part timers) might be relocating for work, which would likely mean we'd drop to 12, as my guess is we wouldn't have enough part-timers to fill 4 tix. I think we'd try hard to keep the 12 even if we have to eat a few tickets, just so we can keep the 3 yellow lot passes. No issue with interest at all, which is surprising for me, as I'm a fanatic and have a hard time with the losing after what Schiano built - most of our ticket-mates probably are in it more for the camaraderie and tailgates.
I finally called last week to place my reduced ticket order (spent $2850 in tickets/passes/donations last year, this year's bill was $1060).
I was surprised that there was very little reaction to cutting the order and no attempt to either get information behind the reduction or try to resell me on the idea of not cutting.
I don't know if they are running into so many reduced orders they have stopped trying, or if it is just a function of the huge turnover issue with the ticket agents mentioned in other threads (and I just happened to have an agent who doesn't give a crap at this point).
I was surprised that there was very little reaction to cutting the order and no attempt to either get information behind the reduction or try to resell me on the idea of not cutting.
I don't know if they are running into so many reduced orders they have stopped trying, or if it is just a function of the huge turnover issue with the ticket agents mentioned in other threads (and I just happened to have an agent who doesn't give a crap at this point).
Honestly, ticket sales for RU doesn't seem like the sort of job that one is going to remain super engaged in long term. It's like expecting stellar customer service at Taco Bell, it might happen, but probably not.
Ironically, both products leave you wanting to go to the bathroom after you're done.
I feel that Hobbs is very good at the moment, but for the time it was needed, and even though I feel he put basketball on the back burner, Big Bob has been the best AD Rutgers has ever had. He recognized that football drove the money bus and he gave Greg everything he needed, including the Stadium expansion, and the bubble. So to call Hobbs the best ever, to me is really a revisionist point of view, and I seem to remember people being so upset with Bob being shown the door that petitions were being passed around to save him.
he could get another decade long extension and still not reach 500..it was time to go in another direction last December,now we have to suffer through another waste of a season under Asherror.
Without Bob, there's no Greg and without both of them, there's no Pandemonium in Piscataway or stadium expansion or B1G invite. So Bob gets the nod as best AD at RU, even if he neglected other sports for the most part. Pernetti was the worst (Flood and Rice, nuff said; not fumbling the B1G invite only gets him minor points). Julie was ineffective. And Hobbs seems pretty good so far, except for the Ash hire, which he needs to rectify this year if we are bad again, as expected. Fred was horrible as we all know and that's where my AD knowledge ends...
I also got multiple emails and 1 or 2 calls.
I believe the term you're looking for is fairweather fan...
They never did. They wanted our TV $.
B1G truly didn't do its homework if they were surprised by the state of our "facilities" until they showed up for a tour.
Of course. And I was yelling this on here for years, just ask @RUskoolie. I was begging for us to borrow to try to catch up.
Seems others heard as $ was not there.
Others heard GS wasn't interested.
And we will never know for sure. And we should just move on. But some on this board like to pound away at "Subway rumors" just to help their narrative.
Generally agree, except that the Bubble has been there since the Dick Anderson era.
Replaced at least twice. But it's been there a long time.
Definitely not the bubble, it's been there since Freddy G was AD.
I want to say mid-80s, maybe 1984 or 85 was the original. I was thinking maybe Dick made demands for facility improvements upon his hiring if he got the original Hale Center in '84(?) as well but if both of them were completed in time for the '84 season, Dick's first, they were already planned and underway when Burns was still the HC in '83.
The bubble was quite revolutionary for its time and also had the long-standing claim of being the largest fully air-supported structure in the world. The NY Giants used to come down to Piscataway to practice indoors during inclement weather well into the 90s until they built their own bubble at the Meadowlands, I think sometime in the early 00s.
We finally had our group meeting last night. The results are shocking. We're keeping all 6 and both parking passes.
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