SHU board claims Willard turned down the Holy Cross job
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They better ask Bozzella to coach the mens team, that staff is the bellcow for SHU sports right now.....who knew that both SHU and RU womens programs would battle in an NCAA basketball and NIT tourney in back to back seasons as the clear better programs for both schools.
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yeah but that is more about how our womens program is not what it once was...8 seed is low for us...
If he's done, who's going to take the job with Tiny there? And will the new coach have to re-recruit Whitehead, Delgado and Rodriguez? And let's not forget Gibbs.
If that happens, you're talking about a Rutgers 'build job' circa 2013 when we hired Eddie.
I guess removing the "cancer" in Seton Hall fans eyes is worth it, and I can't argue with them either way if they believe a home run candidate out there exists.
This post was edited on 3/19 1:16 PM by Aggs
If that happens, you're talking about a Rutgers 'build job' circa 2013 when we hired Eddie.
I guess removing the "cancer" in Seton Hall fans eyes is worth it, and I can't argue with them either way if they believe a home run candidate out there exists.
This post was edited on 3/19 1:16 PM by Aggs
From what I am told he maybe looking to leave. Perhaps if a MAAC school opporunity opens up I think he would have real interest.
The HC thing was real I just don't think he felt that was a good spot for him at this point.
This post was edited on 3/19 1:49 PM by michstfr
The HC thing was real I just don't think he felt that was a good spot for him at this point.
This post was edited on 3/19 1:49 PM by michstfr
The bigger is Kevin doesn't want to be at SHU; and he was willing to take the HC job at less pay just to get out of town! What does that tell you about the confidence he has in his ability. Would you want a coach that is that fragile?
so why wouldn't they just can him..why would they wait
careful what you wish for because just who the heck is going go there and you will lose your top players for next year
careful what you wish for because just who the heck is going go there and you will lose your top players for next year
well this isn't Villanova trying to slide Lappas over to a lesser program while hiring their Jay Wright...who exactly does SHU think is their Jay Wright...do they realize where they sit on the landscape of a diminished Big East. The Hurleys probably see a toxic situation there similar to RU's incompetance
I have no idea what Lyons and the BOR are thinking nor do I know the cost of a buy-out. Stuff has leaked and IMO, he can't come back from this. He's a lousy recruiter to begin with and he's just publically told recruits that he's a lesser program coach. You don't think the nine other BE coaches will use that against him on the recruiting trail?
Personally, no player leaving is bigger than a coaching decision. If it's a short term hit to get the right coach, I take that deal in a minute. The candidate pool this time around should be much better. Remember when Willard was hired, there was no AD, the BE was falling apart and we didn't have the FOX money to pay a good candidate or assistants.
your conference has lessened whether you are in denial about it or not....you can get the guy from Robert Morris or Cluess but it seems like your fanbase want someone bigger than they are
The NBE is primarily a coaches conference. The three teams that are deficient there (Depaul, SHU, St. Johns) are all going to address that either this year or next. I would definitely give Andy Toole an interview though, not Cluess
bac, how do you figure? BE has 6 of 10 teams in the dance with a 1 and 4 seed and was ranked as the number 2-4 conference this year. The coaches the BE have signed since forming (Holtman/Butler and Wojo/Marquette) have recruited extremely well and Butler is a 5 seed. A conference needs coaches and players and the NBE has done very well the last two years in both.
Now does that mean SHU (and Depaul) will get it right? Who knows but it's not a conference issue.
Now does that mean SHU (and Depaul) will get it right? Who knows but it's not a conference issue.
But the leading indicators are bad. MSG had relatively poor attendance and nobody is watching your games on Fox Sports. Both big issues in the long run. The teams in the dance today are playing with kids that were recruited to their respective schools a few years ago. As the luster wears, will the recruiting keep up in the Big East. UConn in the AAC is certainly showing some signs of struggle. Will the NBE teams wind up similar to what we saw out of UConn?
This post was edited on 3/19 4:35 PM by RU85inFla
That's not correct...the BE has had two very good recruiting classes in the last two years; better than the those teams had the two years prior. Time will tell. I didn't see attendence figures, but with SHU and SJU dropping out quickly, that's not good.
Fox ratings are more a function of Fox Sports being a new network rather than the product. They are committed to sports programming and the NBE is a flagship franchise for them. I'm no media expert, but time will tell. NBE is in major media markets, so as you guys know, it's all about fannies in the seats at the game and on TV. Up to Fox to reach them, but it won't be because of the product.
Fox ratings are more a function of Fox Sports being a new network rather than the product. They are committed to sports programming and the NBE is a flagship franchise for them. I'm no media expert, but time will tell. NBE is in major media markets, so as you guys know, it's all about fannies in the seats at the game and on TV. Up to Fox to reach them, but it won't be because of the product.
first of all, just about everyone agrees your schools were overseeded...namely Georgetown. I think the Big East was very solid this year but beyond Villanova you have no other legit contender. A bunch of solid but unspectacular schools. You guys scheduled strong and got good rpis,...kudos for that. In the meantime the cache in perception has dropped...much less in attendance at MSG for the tourney and deplorable ratings on Fox for your tourney. You are not on ESPN anymore and its killing your perception..the dropoff wont happen immediately of course but lets be honest this conference is sliding slowly but surely. Not saying that they cant be a strong high mid major because that's what they will be in about 5-7 years time.
Overseeded? 3-0 so far....maybe you were thinking about the B-12....lol
I love the way you pull stuff out of thin air to make predictions. Let's face it though....which of the two would you bet on happening in 5-7 years . BE continuing to be a top five conference or RU getting an NCAA bid? I think that's a no brainer in my book.
This discussion is not about Rutgers its about the big east...didnt your fans say the big 10 would never be coming to msg....worry about your declining attenence there and abysmal ratings
Respectfully, Bac, I think you underestimate the appeal of playing in a Basketball only league. It's not for everyone but a lot of players like being the only show on campus and not having to compete with Football players for alpha status. Villanova and Georgetown's recruiting has not dipped at all in the last two years. Butler and Xavier contend for the Sweet 16 most every year more off the strength and stability of their programs than having great individual players. Marquette has a top-10 recruiting class coming in next year. Providence may have the best coach of the entire bunch. Only thing that sucks as a Seton Hall fan is that the conference is still hard to ascend. TV ratings are lousy but I don't really see that as a problem, it's more of a niche league on a niche network. And if we don't keep MSG forever, we move on, nothing wrong with Barclays. As a Knicks fan though, I will say that if you are counting on James Dolan to make what is in your mind a logical business decision that may not go the way you expect.
I think the argument was more to do with the Big replacing the Big East at MSG and they have not done that. In fact I think they have made a serious blunder their coaches will regret come tournament time in my opinion.
IMHO there appears to continue to be a very bizarre relationship between Willard and the SHU Administration. Even though he signed a long term extension with SHU he always appears to be unhappy with the SHU Administration. He's disrespecting the school if he is out shopping for a new position. That's what Fran Fraschilla was known for at St Johns years ago. SJU finally had enough and canned him. His coaching career was never the same after that and he ended up in the broadcast booth.
"bizarre" is an understatement. I've never seen a coach at this level do some of the things that he's done (and that's just not coaching or his record). For a D1 Coach to constantly play the victim card is very odd. He just doesn't know how to lead and probably just now realizing it.
I think the Big East will do better than Bac thinks and worse than Hall fans think. The "name" programs will be fine, and any program lucky enough to grab the hot coach -- and keep him thanks to Fox money, at least for a while (until the next deal?) -- will be fine. But I would worry about there eventually becoming a near-permanent stratification in that league.
I doubt Villanova or Georgetown or Butler will suddenly fall apart, and Marquette seems to be recruiting very well. But Providence if Cooley goes? DePaul, which has been down for too long and not using Chicago the way it should? And of course Seton Hall. Just not sure.
I love the idea of schools that belong together being together. Those schools belong together, and that helps.
I doubt Villanova or Georgetown or Butler will suddenly fall apart, and Marquette seems to be recruiting very well. But Providence if Cooley goes? DePaul, which has been down for too long and not using Chicago the way it should? And of course Seton Hall. Just not sure.
I love the idea of schools that belong together being together. Those schools belong together, and that helps.
The last school to win the NC who didn't have an associated D1A football program was Villanova in 1985. There is too much synergies created between the two sports now that you will likely never see that again, and if you do, it will be an anomaly.
Kids who want to win big, as in real big, aren't going to basketball only schools.
Kids who want to win big, as in real big, aren't going to basketball only schools.
