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SIAP: RU Senate votes to restrict athletic spending, facility improvements

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Apparently the University Senate has voted to restrict funding to the athletic department and limit funding for future facilities improvements. Sounds like a few of the RU1000 blowhards are using whatever influence they can. I'm sure this is probably a part of why Julie is so adamant recently about facility improvements needing to be funded through fan donations.

Any thoughts?


Rutgers University Senate votes to restrict athletics spending and future facility development
 
The University Senate has no real power. But as an advisory panel, it can make things politically painful.

Rutgers has to tread a fine line in being true to its core mission and spending on athletics. Ultimately, Athletics needs to be funded from athletic revenues and donations (and athletic student fees).
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I'll listen to that advisory panel when it releases a recommendation that academic departments that are not financially self sufficient should be downsized or eliminated. By the way FSU's trustees just approved a 78 million dollar upgrade to its stadium, as if something was lacking there. Nobody has said anything negative down here about that plan.
 
unless things have changed on campus from my time there, many of the University undergraduate political groups are filled with those who don't support athletics. You know the students who are in the library on Football Saturdays. The students who are using loans to pay for school and barely covering expenses. They see the little picture of a few hundred of their dollars going to sports instead of to their classes. Of course they are probably not aware that most of the money the school gives to sports is activity fees that can't go to classrooms or academics.
 
I am getting so sick of this. We joined a Conference that will, in six years, pay us 10x what we were getting a few years ago. This conference has a charter that members strive to compete for excellence in both academics and Athletics. We need to borrow a little against future earnings to help make us competitive athletically, I understand the bulk will have to come from donors and sponsors, although season ticket holders have been drained unmercifully, and I don't know how they can pay much more.

THe university senate is a joke. Lets just get out of this conference, join the patriot league, drop every sport we don't have to have except for TItle IX, and then we won't have any athletic budget problems. We won't have any fans either, but hey, the University senate doesn't care.

I am so sick of this school and this state not wanting to band together, invest a little, and enjoy the benefits of being competitive in the BIG.

Every school in the BIG who reads has to be laughing at us. I can't imagine what Delaney thinks of all this. If Rutgers is a perpetual bottom feeder, you can forget the fans tuning into the BIG network. And when we the University Senate is done destroying our ability to compete in the BIG and sends us to the Patriot League, I hope they are happy.

I am more disgusted right now than I have ever been with the State of NJ, Rutgers, Barchi and the University Senate(whoever the hell they are)
 
Originally posted by JPhoboken:
I am getting so sick of this. We joined a Conference that will, in six years, pay us 10x what we were getting a few years ago. This conference has a charter that members strive to compete for excellence in both academics and Athletics. We need to borrow a little against future earnings to help make us competitive athletically, I understand the bulk will have to come from donors and sponsors, although season ticket holders have been drained unmercifully, and I don't know how they can pay much more.

THe university senate is a joke. Lets just get out of this conference, join the patriot league, drop every sport we don't have to have except for TItle IX, and then we won't have any athletic budget problems. We won't have any fans either, but hey, the University senate doesn't care.

I am so sick of this school and this state not wanting to band together, invest a little, and enjoy the benefits of being competitive in the BIG.

Every school in the BIG who reads has to be laughing at us. I can't imagine what Delaney thinks of all this. If Rutgers is a perpetual bottom feeder, you can forget the fans tuning into the BIG network. And when we the University Senate is done destroying our ability to compete in the BIG and sends us to the Patriot League, I hope they are happy.

I am more disgusted right now than I have ever been with the State of NJ, Rutgers, Barchi and the University Senate(whoever the hell they are)
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As you should be. I am too.
 
the school and its faculty are just looking to cash checks...we do not belong in the Big 10...it was rammed through but we do not belong
 
What doea it really matter? What real decission power does the Senate have. Isn't this just a group of anti sports acedemics and students that really are just making a statement like Dowling's RU10 group. It's not going anywhere. Barchi, the BOG, and a sizable majority of the faculty aren't going to support this.
 
with Barchi and the BOG you just do not know, they seem to cave under token pressure and are pretty spineless in general
 
Originally posted by hiwater:

What doea it really matter? What real decission power does the Senate have. Isn't this just a group of anti sports acedemics and students that really are just making a statement like Dowling's RU10 group. It's not going anywhere. Barchi, the BOG, and a sizable majority of the faculty aren't going to support this.
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The Star-Liars just found another perpetual headline machine, straight from the belly of the Rutgers beast. It even carries a weighty-sounding title..."The University Senate says..." which just makes the uphill climb just a bit steeper.
 
This is ridiculous. No new buildings until the deficit is gone? Aside from the top 5 teams in America, what other schools abide by such an arbitrary line in the sand?

If sanity prevails, Barchi pats them on the head and says "thanks but no". He has more than enough support from the BoG, Christie, and the majority of alums to keep going. This smacks of a political effort of a couple professors and students that do not represent their respective constituencies and want to air their grievances.
 
NJ, and Rutgers, are such a political cesspool. This stuff is making it harder and harder to support the school in good conscience.
 
I served nine years in the University Senate. The Senate has no power (except over the academic calender, of all things), and Presidents generally write back to the Senate a nice letter saying "thanks, but no thanks." Don't worry about it.

The recommendations do seem strange to me. Athletics can't be funded by student fees? That seems odd.
 
Camden, its not so much that they have power, its all these types of articles just keep adding political pressure against RU athletics and gives barchi excuses to do nothing.
 
Originally posted by camdenlawprof:
I served nine years in the University Senate. The Senate has no power (except over the academic calender, of all things), and Presidents generally write back to the Senate a nice letter saying "thanks, but no thanks." Don't worry about it.
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Originally posted by JPhoboken:
Camden, its not so much that they have power, its all these types of articles just keep adding political pressure against RU athletics and gives barchi excuses to do nothing.
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The political pressure is to to upgrade the facilities. What has Christy and Lesniak been saying. That is political pressure. A hand full of disafected faculty and students have no political power. The only power that they have is to get people like you wringing their hands and worring about it. Ignore it the same way you should ignore Trolls on this board and it will die down.

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Originally posted by JPhoboken:
Camden, its not so much that they have power, its all these types of articles just keep adding political pressure against RU athletics and gives barchi excuses to do nothing.
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By "political pressure against RU" did you mean that actually a major state senator said RU needs to get serious about funding?

This board gets more ridiculous every day. The narratives that have taken hold in some quarters are just bubbles impermeable to reality.
 
Originally posted by JPhoboken:
Camden, its not so much that they have power, its all these types of articles just keep adding political pressure against RU athletics and gives barchi excuses to do nothing.
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I understand your point --this is going to be included in the anti-athletes rhetoric. But it's very minor in the grand scale of things. It won't influence Barchi in the least; he knows what the Senate is like. What will influence Barchi would be a large-scale fundraising campaign featuring both small and large donors. He focuses on whether the money is available for a project.

I agree with those who say that the first step is to get an excellent coach. Basketball programs can be turned around more quickly than football programs. Once the team is successful, it will be much easier to persuade donors to give. What we now need is for a couple of big donors to step forward.
 
We belong in the B1G. Stop saying otherwise.
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If our plan is to not upgrade facilities for many years into the future, then we have no business being in this league
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Did you notice the part where the University Senate also said no more funds should go to the theatre department,music department,art museum, and guest lecturers ?
 
Originally posted by camdenlawprof:
Originally posted by JPhoboken:
Camden, its not so much that they have power, its all these types of articles just keep adding political pressure against RU athletics and gives barchi excuses to do nothing.
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I understand your point --this is going to be included in the anti-athletes rhetoric. But it's very minor in the grand scale of things. It won't influence Barchi in the least; he knows what the Senate is like. What will influence Barchi would be a large-scale fundraising campaign featuring both small and large donors. He focuses on whether the money is available for a project.

I agree with those who say that the first step is to get an excellent coach. Basketball programs can be turned around more quickly than football programs. Once the team is successful, it will be much easier to persuade donors to give. What we now need is for a couple of big donors to step forward.
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I hope the anti athletic rhetoric dies down, and I hope it is minor in the grand scheme of things, but articles like this can along with reporters bashing spending, start to breed more protests, etc. And this may influence RU administrators and politicians against athletics making it even harder to move forward. Again, I hope you are right, but this is Rutgers we are talking about, so I never rule anything out.

I hope it doesn't influence Barchi, but he hasn't been a strong leader or really shown a high level of commitment to competing in BIG athletics, so I don't know how much we can count on him.
 
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