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One thing is certain, Kyle Flood cannot command a good defense. The numbers are frightening. Below are our national rankings in all defensive categories. Also, since we are a conservative run-first offense which limits opponent offensive touches... these statistics are even more abysmal than they seem.

2015 - Defensive Statistics
  • Opp Points/Game: #100
  • Opp Total Yards/Game: #118
  • Opp Total Points/Play: #108
  • Opp Total Yards/Play: #123
  • Opp Yards/Rush: #99
  • Opp Rush Yds/Gm: #71
  • Opp. Pass Compl. %: #119
  • Opp yards/pass #123
  • Opp Pass Yards/game: #126
  • Sack %: #119
We are one of the worst teams in the country in every single statistic. In almost every case, 100+ teams are better than us in that defensive category. At least 50 of those recruit worse talent.

How about 2014? Surely, this must just be a one-year issue. Nope. Take a look at last year's rankings:

2014 - Defensive Statistics
  • Opp Points/Game: #85
  • Opp Total Yards/Game: #94
  • Opp Total Points/Play: #92
  • Opp Total Yards/Play: #110
  • Opp Yards/Rush: #116
  • Opp Rush Yds/Gm: #98
  • Opp. Pass Compl. %: #94
  • Opp yards/pass #100
  • Opp Pass Yards/game: #71
  • Sack %: #32

*Update. For those that think it's all on Rossi, I've added Dave Cohen's year as defensive coordinator below. Our rush defense was actually great, but a large part of that was because the American lineup was mostly pass-heavy teams... and we stupidly dedicated our defense to stop the run, and got torched in the air. At this time, we also still had Schiano holdovers who had learned his system and were always quite good at stopping the run.

2013 - Defensive Statistics
  • Opp Points/Game: #91
  • Opp Total Yards/Game: #92
  • Opp Total Points/Play: #87
  • Opp Total Yards/Play: #80
  • Opp Yards/Rush: #6
  • Opp Rush Yds/Gm: #4
  • Opp. Pass Compl. %: #110
  • Opp yards/pass #102
  • Opp Pass Yards/game: #124
  • Sack %: #68


Now, just for fun, let's take a look at Schiano's last defense at RU.

2011 - Defensive Statistics

  • Opp Points/Game: #14
  • Opp Total Yards/Game: #19
  • Opp Total Points/Play: #21
  • Opp Total Yards/Play: #30
  • Opp Yards/Rush: #55
  • Opp Rush Yds/Gm: #57
  • Opp. Pass Compl. %: #9
  • Opp yards/pass #24
  • Opp Pass Yards/game: #9
  • Sack %: #19

Or to really bug you, how about that miraculous 2006 season.

2006 - Defensive Statistics

  • Opp Points/Game: #9
  • Opp Total Yards/Game: #6
  • Opp Total Points/Play: #13
  • Opp Total Yards/Play: #8
  • Opp Yards/Rush: #14
  • Opp Rush Yds/Gm: #19
  • Opp. Pass Compl. %: #9
  • Opp yards/pass #30
  • Opp Pass Yards/game: #6
  • Sack %: #1

Depressing to know we are not too far removed from being ranked in the top 10 in nearly every defensive stat... to where we are now. I miss Defense.

*stats found here: https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/team/rutgers-scarlet-knights/stats
 
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But we have such a young secondary of course that's going to happen. Can't blame Kyle for half of the secondary getting kicked off the team, how was he supposed to know? It's not his fault all of that the priority recruits went to other schools and he had to gamble on high risk kids. Plus, donors don't pay enough and fans don't get into their seats early enough. If those things changed we'd have a better defense.
 
Caliknight said:
Kyle Flood here in 16.
Rossi not.
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Flood selected Rossi. Also, I didn't get a chance to grab all the stats, but we were just as bad under Cohen in 2013.

Fact of the matter is Flood just doesn't know anything about defense. He's only been an offensive guy. Heck, he's only been a coordinator once - and it was a Co-OC, in which he failed miserably. Unless you hire a top notch D coordinator (who would never come here to work under a guy like Flood) - we're going to have these problems as long as he's our coach.

Update: Just added Cohen's stats above.
 
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SC1221 said:
But we have such a young secondary of course that's going to happen. Can't blame Kyle for half of the secondary getting kicked off the team, how was he supposed to know? It's not his fault all of that the priority recruits went to other schools and he had to gamble on high risk kids. Plus, donors don't pay enough and fans don't get into their seats early enough. If those things changed we'd have a better defense.
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So the secondary is to blame for the lack of a pass rush and penetration? Our Run D #'s would be worse, if teams didn't know they can throw all over the place on us, and will likely get worse as the season continues. Can't blame the D backs for everything.
 
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AreYouNUTS said:
So the secondary is to blame for the lack of a pass rush and penetration? Our Run D #'s would be worse, if teams didn't know they can throw all over the place on us, and will likely get worse as the season continues. Can't blame the D backs for everything.
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SC1221 said:
But we have such a young secondary of course that's going to happen. Can't blame Kyle for half of the secondary getting kicked off the team, how was he supposed to know? It's not his fault all of that the priority recruits went to other schools and he had to gamble on high risk kids. Plus, donors don't pay enough and fans don't get into their seats early enough. If those things changed we'd have a better defense.
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Unless you were being sarcastic, you lost me here. What does timely fan attendance have to do with the defense not getting torched?

Edit: that was a good one.
 
rutgers4life11 said:
Flood selected Rossi. Also, I didn't get a chance to grab all the stats, but we were just as bad under Cohen in 2013.

Fact of the matter is Flood just doesn't know anything about defense. He's only been an offensive guy. Heck, he's only been a coordinator once - and it was a Co-OC, in which he failed miserably. Unless you hire a top notch D coordinator (who would never come here to work under a guy like Flood) - we're going to have these problems as long as he's our coach.

Update: Just added Cohen's stats above.
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That is why he needs to get someone in that role who gets it. Rossi doesn't either.
 
Total, scoring and pass efficiency defense are getting worse and are back to early 2000s rankings. The longer Flood is here the longer lasting the damage will be. Here are stats since 2000:

Total Defense
2000 100
2001 89
2002 88
2003 61
2004 104
2005 55
2006 4
2007 17
2008 33
2009 18
2010 65
2011 14
2012 10
2013 73
2014 98
2015 111

Scoring Defense
2000 108
2001 104
2002 95
2003 80
2004 88
2005 59
2006 8
2007 30
2008 19
2009 16
2010 62
2011 8
2012 4
2013 80
2014 87
2015 96

Defense Pass Efficiency
2000 93
2001 92
2002 76
2003 70
2004 100
2005 89
2006 8
2007 16
2008 66
2009 34
2010 96
2011 5
2012 17
2013 100
2014 90
2015 118
 
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I'm sorry if this is a flood problem then why did he coach #10 total defense and #4 scoring defense per the chart above. Its about talent and now the majority of the talent is underclassmen due to reasons that have been talked to death. Maybe this is a recruiting issue but not his coaching
 
clizzil151 said:
I'm sorry if this is a flood problem then why did he coach #10 total defense and #4 scoring defense per the chart above. Its about talent and now the majority of the talent is underclassmen due to reasons that have been talked to death. Maybe this is a recruiting issue but not his coaching
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One could argue that entire defense and the coordinator learned their jobs under Schiano.
 
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clizzil151 said:
I'm sorry if this is a flood problem then why did he coach #10 total defense and #4 scoring defense per the chart above. Its about talent and now the majority of the talent is underclassmen due to reasons that have been talked to death. Maybe this is a recruiting issue but not his coaching
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He was handed a top notch D in 2012 and Smith was the DC.

It his guys and his staff. Not good for three straight years
 
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Ridge 22 said:
That is a half-measure when a full-measure is called for.
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Exactly. So far Brock, Cohen, Wroblewski, Spence, Prince and now Rossi have been scapegoated all for the sake of giving Kyle Flood every opportunity to succeed. At some point you scrap the experiment and start fresh. Even a MAC coach brings the staff he's been working with for a few years with him. KF has been constantly scrambling to assemble a competent staff since day 1. Just end the cycle already.
 
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rutgers4life11 said:
One thing is certain, Kyle Flood cannot command a good defense. The numbers are frightening. Below are our national rankings in all defensive categories. Also, since we are a conservative run-first offense which limits opponent offensive touches... these statistics are even more abysmal than they seem.

2015 - Defensive Statistics
  • Opp Points/Game: #100
  • Opp Total Yards/Game: #118
  • Opp Total Points/Play: #108
  • Opp Total Yards/Play: #123
  • Opp Yards/Rush: #99
  • Opp Rush Yds/Gm: #71
  • Opp. Pass Compl. %: #119
  • Opp yards/pass #123
  • Opp Pass Yards/game: #126
  • Sack %: #119
We are one of the worst teams in the country in every single statistic. In almost every case, 100+ teams are better than us in that defensive category. At least 50 of those recruit worse talent.

How about 2014? Surely, this must just be a one-year issue. Nope. Take a look at last year's rankings:

2014 - Defensive Statistics
  • Opp Points/Game: #85
  • Opp Total Yards/Game: #94
  • Opp Total Points/Play: #92
  • Opp Total Yards/Play: #110
  • Opp Yards/Rush: #116
  • Opp Rush Yds/Gm: #98
  • Opp. Pass Compl. %: #94
  • Opp yards/pass #100
  • Opp Pass Yards/game: #71
  • Sack %: #32

*Update. For those that think it's all on Rossi, I've added Dave Cohen's year as defensive coordinator below. Our rush defense was actually great, but a large part of that was because the American lineup was mostly pass-heavy teams... and we stupidly dedicated our defense to stop the run, and got torched in the air. At this time, we also still had Schiano holdovers who had learned his system and were always quite good at stopping the run.

2013 - Defensive Statistics
  • Opp Points/Game: #91
  • Opp Total Yards/Game: #92
  • Opp Total Points/Play: #87
  • Opp Total Yards/Play: #80
  • Opp Yards/Rush: #6
  • Opp Rush Yds/Gm: #4
  • Opp. Pass Compl. %: #110
  • Opp yards/pass #102
  • Opp Pass Yards/game: #124
  • Sack %: #68


Now, just for fun, let's take a look at Schiano's last defense at RU.

2011 - Defensive Statistics

  • Opp Points/Game: #14
  • Opp Total Yards/Game: #19
  • Opp Total Points/Play: #21
  • Opp Total Yards/Play: #30
  • Opp Yards/Rush: #55
  • Opp Rush Yds/Gm: #57
  • Opp. Pass Compl. %: #9
  • Opp yards/pass #24
  • Opp Pass Yards/game: #9
  • Sack %: #19

Or to really bug you, how about that miraculous 2006 season.

2006 - Defensive Statistics

  • Opp Points/Game: #9
  • Opp Total Yards/Game: #6
  • Opp Total Points/Play: #13
  • Opp Total Yards/Play: #8
  • Opp Yards/Rush: #14
  • Opp Rush Yds/Gm: #19
  • Opp. Pass Compl. %: #9
  • Opp yards/pass #30
  • Opp Pass Yards/game: #6
  • Sack %: #1

Depressing to know we are not too far removed from being ranked in the top 10 in nearly every defensive stat... to where we are now. I miss Defense.

*stats found here: https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/team/rutgers-scarlet-knights/stats
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You are reading my mind. See my post titled "defense giving up 460 yards per game"
 
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Yes I agree . But mostly the offense let us down
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I hear ya. I just hear the word "great" thrown around too often. Even the 2006 D couldn't stop WVU even once when we had the lead in the 4th. And that was vs a backup QB. 2006 was a good D who played great in the second half of the UL game that year.
 
The terrible defensive rankings we have this year are all the more troubling when you consider that we haven't played a lineup with many offensive powerhouses so far.
 
ha, i love how people are referencing the 2012 defense. guys, those players were under schiano for 3-4 years. by that time, they knew EXACTLY what they were doing out there. khaseem greene could have coached himself.

but beyond that point, look at how many NFL stars were on that defense. or for that matter, just players that got a chance in the NFL. it's absurd. if anything, Flood vastly underperformed with the incredible defense he was handed. in terms of NFL talent and senior leadership, it was Alabama level. that's a fact.
 
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and as a follow up, in case anyone doubts how good that defense was that was gift-wrapped to Flood, take a look at the depth chart. oh, and this doesn't even include some future stars who weren't listed to start the season but played.

DEFENSE

DE 90 Michael Larrow (Jr., 6-4, 270) OR 48 Marcus Thompson (Jr., 6-2, 260)

DT 72 Isaac Holmes (Jr., 6-3, 275)
99 Al Page (R-Fr., 6-2, 280) OR 76 Marquise Wright (R-Fr., 6-3, 295)

DT 94 Scott Vallone (Sr., 6-3, 275)
92 Jamil Merrell (Jr., 6-4, 255) OR 90 Michael Larrow (Jr., 6-4, 270)

DE 13 Ka'Lial Glaud (Sr., 6-2, 240) OR 56 Marvin Booker (Sr., 6-2, 240)
22 Jawaun Wynn (So., 6-3, 210) OR 31 David Milewski (So., 6-4, 235)

LB 20 Khaseem Greene (Sr., 6-1, 235)
41 Robert Joseph (Jr., 6-2, 220)

LB 42 Steve Beauharnais (Sr., 6-2, 235)
45 Kevin Snyder (So., 6-3, 225)

LB 37 Jamal Merrell (Jr., 6-4, 220) OR 45 Kevin Snyder (So., 6-3, 225)
50 Quentin Gause (R-Fr., 6-1, 220)

CB 25 Brandon Jones (Sr., 6-1, 185)
24 Mason Robinson (Sr., 5-10, 185)

FS 32 Duron Harmon (Sr., 6-1, 200)
82 J.T. Tartacoff (Jr., 5-11, 190) OR 8 Rashad Knight (So., 5-11, 195)

SS 21 Lorenzo Waters (So., 6-0, 190)
27 Wayne Warren (Sr., 6-1, 205)

CB 11 Logan Ryan (Jr., 6-0, 190)
12 Marcus Cooper (Sr., 6-2, 185) OR 2 Gareef Glashen (So., 5-10, 180)
 
AreYouNUTS said:
So the secondary is to blame for the lack of a pass rush and penetration? Our Run D #'s would be worse, if teams didn't know they can throw all over the place on us, and will likely get worse as the season continues. Can't blame the D backs for everything.
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How about the fact that we lost our best defensive lineman in Hamilton and two others in Joseph and Turay haven't been 100% all season.
 
clizzil151 said:
I'm sorry if this is a flood problem then why did he coach #10 total defense and #4 scoring defense per the chart above. Its about talent and now the majority of the talent is underclassmen due to reasons that have been talked to death. Maybe this is a recruiting issue but not his coaching
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The incredibly experienced, and NFL-talent loaded D, that he inherited? Notice the decline since?
 
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Seels

We had a healthy turay,
Hamilton. Joseph and others and we gave up 32 ppg and 440 ypg last year

We have a systematic problem in defense

You and I both felt the defense had a chance to be much better this year
Earlier this year

The reality is...it isn't materializing

We are giving up 460 years a game and have 2/7th of that against a 1-aa team and Kansas.

I don't think it's the players

I think it is the coaching...we are slow reacting and always trailing the play. We don't force turnovers. We ready don't attack

And, before anyone says I'm on a anti-flood crusade...I will tell you the offense has been getting better in the last three years compared to 2009-2012. The numbers best that out

The problem is the serene is getting a lot worse quicker than the offense is getting fixed and improving at a moderate rate
 
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The record doesn't lie. Our defense gave up A LOT of points to wsu, Indiana and ohio state and quite a few to penn states weak sauce offense.
 
BoogieKnight said:
It was very good. GREAT defenses make the necessary stops when the Louisville game was hanging in the balance.
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I never understood this logic. Unless the team went undefeated, there was some point that the defense failed to make a key stop unless they lost on a pick 6 or kickoff return. That means there's only one or two great defenses a year.
 
Scarlet Shack said:
Seels

We had a healthy turay,
Hamilton. Joseph and others and we gave up 32 ppg and 440 ypg last year

We have a systematic problem in defense

You and I both felt the defense had a chance to be much better this year
Earlier this year

The reality is...it isn't materializing

We are giving up 460 years a game and have 2/7th of that against a 1-aa team and Kansas.

I don't think it's the players

I think it is the coaching...we are slow reacting and always trailing the play. We don't force turnovers. We ready don't attack

And, before anyone says I'm on a anti-flood crusade...I will tell you the offense has been getting better in the last three years compared to 2009-2012. The numbers best that out

The problem is the serene is getting a lot worse quicker than the offense is getting fixed and improving at a moderate rate
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I do agree with its current personel it is broken. But I do disagree with you in general. Why?

Because I believe this defense does work and work very well....if you have an very good secondary and at least one great player playing in the secondary. This is the same problem that other aggressive defensive schemes have. Look what the Steelers aggressive 3-4 defense did post Woodson and now post Polamalu. I know its a completely different defense but it is the same premise. With an aggressive defense you need to take away the first option so you can make it so the QB doesn't have time for the second option. If you can't do that you have to do other things to compensate for that and you end up taking away from the strength of the defense.

Here's the thing-I understand why we play this defense. It helps with our recruiting because we go after different players than most other programs. You can find "system" players like certain teams look for system QBs. I truly believe that Pollock will be an all time great under this system but would be be an all time great for say PSU's system? Also, would Khaseem Greene have even seen the field for many teams?

If we go to a base defense now we are going to have to outrecruit OSU and Michigan and PSU and everyone else for these players and I don't think we could do with any coach. So what do you do?
 
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