Strait of Hormuz

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  1. fg7321

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    Great job by the current Administration. Now we have tankers being torpedoed.

    Be interesting to see how we respond now .
     
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    I do not.see.a story linked.
     
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    Dems celebrate torpedoed tanker
     
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    Not celebrating anything...just interested in what happened and why.
     
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    So, this is the current administration's fault?
    How old are you?
     
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    Nothing in the news indicates torpedoes.
    https://www.apnews.com/d67714ab8ac344a3b3af19cca1c20192
    “Judging from the damage, it doesn’t look like a torpedo, it looks like something smaller, whether that is a vessel-borne improvised explosive device or even a limpet mine,” he told the AP.
     
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    If only we had another 50 BILLION (conservative, small c, estimate of the Obama deal) to give them, we could have prevented this.

    limpet mine likely from what I read.. just like last time they did this.. and it is probably a oil prices deal going on.
     
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    Surprised Trump’s boy #JUNIOR hasn’t resolved all of the problems in the Middle East yet. Or any.
     
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    Secretary of State Pompeo says Iran is responsible for tanker attacks in the Gulf of Oman.
     
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    you watch.. Iran is going to claim we did it.. its a setup.. because they know the US media is DYING for a story like that
     
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    Really? That's a stretch.
     
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    This is a lie.
     
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    One of the crew members reported he saw a torpedo, but it hasn't been confirmed yet. It will be interesting once they do the forensic analysis what kind of device this is tied to.
     
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    We should have Kermit Roosevelt look into it
     
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    No one celebrating . Everyone knew it was a bad idea to proke a conflict in that part of the world . Sadly we will need to respond and it sgoing to cost American blood and treasure.

    This is John Bolton's wet dream come true.
     
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    He’s out of his mind. The only viable contribution he can make to the species is to not procreate.
     
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    Because they’re reimposing sanctions and economic pain on Iran?

    Because his actions are emboldening the hardliners who want to get a bomb?

    Because he’s created an opening for Israel, the UAE, and the Saudis to draw us into a wider conflict?

    ...
     
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    TDS thread 41,515
     
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    Why didn't Obama get his agreement ratified by the Senate?

    If Obama had made it a treaty instead of an execute order to give Iran $50B to $150B of benefits for essentially nothing, then Trump would not have been able to withdraw without approval to do so.

    Obama put us in this position... but Iran is attacking shipping.. ultimately they are the bad guys here. Iran DESERVES sanctions... they routinely support terror.
     
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    Yeah, that’s not true.
     
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    Totally is.
     
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    Then please explain how bush withdrew from the ABM treaty without congressional support. Legal opinions side with the executive. The practical realities of a cowardly Republican Party would also support this.

    I’m sure you’re just trying to blame Trumps actions on Obama (a very childlike behavior), but it just isn’t so. You voted for this. Enjoy the consequences.
     
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    Oil has been transported from the Persian gulf for 50+ years through multiple wars and crisis. Every other President has used prudent judgement to resolve these incidents and keep the oil flowing virtually without incident.

    Trump is in office and now we have tankers getting torpedoed.

    That is on Trump, and especially for bringing Bolton into the mix. Its on his watch; so yes its the current administration's fault.
     
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    As much as I dislike this President

    You are making an ass out of yourself
     
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    Every time I see oil prices spike I get mad. This is a huge risk to our overall economy.

    We are too attached to the oil economy where crazies in the middles east and Russia can make sudden moves and affect global oil prices. The individual down the street who is just filling their car can't budget based on gas prices going up $1 over 6 months. When gas prices spike because of these crazies it eliminates disposable income where people cut back on going out to eat, vacations, entertainment, or buying new items. With that money being siphoned to the oil companies it means less money in the economy for jobs.

    The solution is to really be energy independent. A strong mix of solar, wind, water, and natural resources (like oil). If we can find a way to get 40-50% of the passenger vehicles off of oil by 2035 it would lead to a major step in the right direction

    If we use less oil demand will be down and these middle east sheikhs will need to lower the price from their inflated OPEC levels where the rest of the world has paid for a bucnh of Bedouins to become like kings.
     
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    I don't think so. The Trump admin's handling of Iran has been almost criminally bad (something, incidentally I said about the Obama admin's handling of the immediate aftermath of Benghazi).

    There were always going to be some negative consequences for Trump's stupidly precipitous actions w/respect to Iran. I doubt this is a coincidence, but we shall see what transpires in the weeks and months ahead.

    If we wind up in a military conflict with Iran, I will absolutely point the finger at Trump's tremendously inept foreign policy. Presidents can't, in my opinion, do much damage domestically and so Trump's been a non-factor there. But he can have a pretty negative impact on the foreign policy.

    It's foreign policy where I had the most issues with the Obama administration, and the Trump admin has been even worse, so far.
     
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    I wouldn't yet call it conclusive that these incidents are directly related to Trump's Iran policy. But it certainly looks that way and it wouldn't be the slightest bit surprising. We'll know soon enough.

    Truly the most inept foreign policy of any president in my adult lifetime.
     
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    We have mishandled our relationship with Iran since 1953
     
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    Disagree and agree

    Agree that foreign policy is clumsy

    At the same time....no one forced the Iranians to do this....they choose to do this
     
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    American Libtards siding with state sponsor of terror Iran again. TDS knows no bounds.
     
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    I don't recall the specifics but seems back in '87-'88 Iran had been mining the strait. So this isn't entirely a recent development in this region.
     
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    If anyone is itchin' for a fight, the SOH cam be accommodating. Will it be this generation's Gulf of Tonkin?
     
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    Actually, from what I've read this morning, I'm not 100% certain that Iran is responsible for all the tanker explosions/attacks that have taken place recently.

    Iran is entirely capable of it. And it may well be them. But it's not like Iran's the only bad actor in that region. And there some nations that could benefit from taking advantage of the heightened tensions between the US and Iran by manipulating us into an armed conflict.

    I trust our intelligence community to figure things out, but it takes time and these things are rarely certain. And they are often not as they seem as viewed through the media.

    I don't trust Trump or Pompeo and who knows WTF is going on w/Bolton. At best, I can easily see them latching onto anything that occurs in the ME and laying at the feet of the Iranians, with even the flimsiest of evidence. At worst, they are incompetent and unable to work through the analysis provided by the IC.

    The past few weeks or so are giving off a familiar stench resembling the early days of the build-up to the Iraq invasion. I'd really like to be a fly on the wall during Trump's national security briefings these days. I know he's getting good intelligence from the IC. I hope he's listening to it and not getting overwhelmed the way W did in his early days.
     
  37. mildone

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    If only people on both sides would go and read up on that, and then apply a little abstraction to understand just how good, how important, a question you've just asked.
     
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    Well.. the USSR ceased to exist. That provided an "extraordinary event" to justify a withdrawal. But I suppose you are correct.. making treaties is a Presidential power and then the treaty gets ratified or not. Withdrawal from a treaty, even a ratified treaty, that seems to be an undefined area. If I were congress I would certainly work to prevent a president from withdrawing from a ratified treaty without asking the senate first.

    But Bush had clauses right in the ABM treaty to justify withdrawal.

    Obama never tried to ratify his "treaty" with Iran.

    Trump had every right to withdraw from that disgrace of a treaty. If Obama had done the work to get it ratified it would have to have been a BETTER treaty. And maybe then Trump would not have withdrew or the Senate would have given Trump a hard time about withdrawing.
     
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    Gee, I wonder why.
     
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    Because the vast majority don’t go to Congress for approval?
     

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