Suriano question
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No. Grad transfer rule or not, you have 5 years to wrestle 4. The grad transfer rule is a rule that allows you to transfer without sitting a year. It does not apply here. The Big Ten rule at issue causes a player to lose a competition year (i.e. one of the 4). You cannot use a "redshirt year." NS has already used one and one. Absent application of the Big Ten rule, he will have 4 years to wrestle 3. With application of the Big Ten rule, he will have 3 years to wrestle 2.
I think the OP was asking about whether NS could sit out here one year, wrestle here two, which would end in his 4th academic year, and then go out of the Big Ten as a grad transfer and wrestle his fifth academic year. It seems to me that the Big Ten rule could not affect his five to wrestle four eligibility outside of the league.
Oh I see. Like if the Big Ten rule could take away the 4th competition year if he went to another conference. Interesting.
This would not be a bad scenario for him. If he spends his last three undergraduate years here, he may be ready to do a graduate year elsewhere. Not as good as four years to wrestle three here, but still not a bad deal for the young man.
Old Cabbagehead gets upset if I repost the rule, but it's like if the rule isn't in front of him he forgets it. Here is Ohio State's interpretation of the transfer rule, which seems pretty spot on to me:
"Additionally, the Big Ten Conference has established intra-conference transfer rules. If a student-athlete is enrolled at a Big Ten institution and subsequently transfers to another Big Ten institution, that student-athlete must serve a year in residence at the alternate Big Ten institution and will lose one season on eligibility in all sports."
You lose a year of eligibility. Why does anyone think the Big Ten would restore it?
"Additionally, the Big Ten Conference has established intra-conference transfer rules. If a student-athlete is enrolled at a Big Ten institution and subsequently transfers to another Big Ten institution, that student-athlete must serve a year in residence at the alternate Big Ten institution and will lose one season on eligibility in all sports."
You lose a year of eligibility. Why does anyone think the Big Ten would restore it?
I don't think cabbagehead gets mad that you post the rule – – I think he gets mad that you don't pay attention to the thread. The point of this thread is whether the Big Ten rule can affect NCAA eligibility rules at another institution. What we are talking about is NS transferring to Rutgers, not being granted a waiver, competing two years here while spending three academic years here, and then competing at a non-Big 10 institution in his fifth academic year.
Both of you actually changed what the OP asked. He/she didn't posit a scenario where Suriano grad transferred out of the B1G. But if you are saying that, I don't know if the NCAA will, in effect, overrule the B1G rule about losing a year. Maybe. But I have to believe they would be reluctant to do so.
I don't know how one would think that the OP was talking about transferring to a third big 10 school. And I don't have any specialized knowledge, but I would anticipate the opposite of what you were saying; I don't think that the NCAA would enforce any internal Big 10 rule, let alone enforce it when the athlete is no longer in the Big Ten. My guess is that NS could avail himself of the fifth year transfer rule and compete elsewhere in his fifth academic year.
Right. Not sure what I said that indicated otherwise. Hence he will have 4 to wrestle 3 absent application of the Big Ten rule.
The answer is NO and here's why... In wrestling there are no grad transfers... In wrestling, there is a one time transfer rule where the athlete can be eligible immediately at his new school... It's if you transfer a 2nd time you would have to sit a year..
Jerzey if you transfer a 2nd time you do have to sit...Unless you have graduated. This is why Pat Downey is able to transfer and be eligible for the 2nd semester..he will be a graduate transfer.
Not really a great example there as he was dismissed from Iowa St. And Nebraska..
That does not change the fact that the reason he can wrestle without sitting is he graduated. If he did not graduate he would have to sit a year and his clock would be up. It is still his second D1 transfer(does not matter if he was dismissed or not it is a transfer).
Who did Downey wrestle for last season? Oh wait...I forgot...nobody....and yet he still has to sit the 1st semester this season.... Again...not a true example...
Believe what you want the reason he has to sit is because he has to graduate. And I will correct you again...He did wrestle last season, wrestled 7 matches with his last match on 1/20/17.
But keep on telling yourself that you are correct.
Downey is an example of a bunch of stuff, including 4-2-4 rule, graduate transfer rule, posting revenge porn rule, keep your Dad off Twitter rule and others.
Here are his college results. https://www.wrestlestat.com/wrestler/44051/downey-patrick/profile He did, indeed, wrestle last year and was booted off of ISU when the new sheriff, Dresser, arrived.
If he comes to our gym in the PSU uniform he will get a nice reception IMHO. The sounds directed at his coach will be a little different. Maybe a long shot at this point. Or maybe not. No matter what, let's fill our building for this one. $$$$
If that happens, what's the over-under on the % of capacity by the end of the match? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Twenty good wrestlers. Two rabid fan bases that understand the event they are watching. Vast majority stay for the whole match. $$$$
Do not understand why any animosity would be directed towards Cael. He released him to Rutgers.
Hell, who knows. Maybe by the time the match rolls around everybody will have a better understanding of the true unnecessariness of this particular drama.
Cael/Penn State released NS to just one school knowing that to wrestle at that school NS would have to forfeit a year of eligibility unless Cael/Penn State approved of a B1G waiver, which thus far they have not approved.
Wthout approval from Penn State, the B1G may not grant NS the waiver that he needs to retain all of his eligibility and be able to wrestle this year at the only school that he has been released to.
This isn't fair to NS who gave Penn State his all while he went there.
Let the kid come home and wrestle where he wants without punishing him.
soooo.. let me get this straight.. He's a grad transfer who hasn't graduated yet... You said he doesn't have to sit because he is a grad transfer.. But also state he has to sit because he hasn't graduated... which is it? Although I will admit, I do stand corrected on him wrestling last year.. I thought he was booted before the season...
Nothing new to see here. Wrong/misleading info being repeated.
Thank you PAwreslersintn.
Jerzey your first post was incorrect that said in wrestling there are no grad transfers because of the one time transfer rule. If a wrestler transfers a 2nd time to another D1 school and has graduated he does not have to sit.
Pretty clear.
Can you post a link to the B1G transfer rules that spells out the waiver process? Lots of posters saying this is how it works, but no documentation.
You keep saying the same thing over and over and over again as if you're directly involved with Nick and know all the details in what is happening. You're quick to blame Ceal and PSU when you have NO CLUE what the real situation is.
He has to graduate to be a grad transfer. My understanding is that he is going to graduate this fall, thus the reason he won't be able to start as his new institution until Spring semester.
There is nothing misleading about what he wrote, you just don't believe it.
Its very simple. PSU supporters don't think PSU/Cael telling the Big Ten they supported a waiver of the BIg Ten transfer rule would have had any impact. The Rutgers side believes it would have. That's it.
It amazes me you guys still don't get this.
