Take It To The Bank......
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Donations will go much higher than this year if Julie and Flood both go. Got it ?
lol, I thought TV retired from "take it to the bank" predictions, given his horrible record over the past 15+ years.
Would we get a different rate of return if we took it to the credit union? I mean they sometimes do give better returns. :sunglasses:
Easy there, Sparkey. She is doing her best given the financial circumstances. She actually is starting to make us look like a legit department after decades of neglect.
Lol. I'm not even saying that to cover my ass. I truly believe a number of connected people who are claiming each of those. I really think only Barchi and his turkey know.
Sorry but if she can't raise enough money to buyout flood she's usless. She's known fir 2 years he wasn't her guy and she can't raise the money? That's even before the repro comes out....
Buying out Flood might not be the main problem, raising enough money to replace Kyle with someone whose considered a good get and having enough left over to let the new HC hire a quality staff might be the reason she don't dump Flood this year.
It was said Hermann was looking for buyout money before last season and couldn't get enough boosters donating to help that happen .
Julie might be looking for long term stability , instead of short term gain, when she thinks about
making the move to bring in a new FB HC.
I wouldn't be surprised if Hermann has the buyout money, but doesn't have enough left over to afford hiring anyone that is considered to be a quality candidate instead of a gamble.
Then there's the issue of being able to pay for the type of staff the new HC needs to run a successful program.
Mulcahy and Pernetti never could bring in the bucks to keep from hiring on the cheap, don't expect Hermann to change that in only 2 years.
Important Notice: TVs bank has been closed by the FDIC.
It will feel like 2000 without the assurance that less than 6 wins would bring a new coach in 2001. At least we had an AD back then that wasnt hiding under his desk.
Our AD is everywhere. Not sure where people come up with nonsense as such.
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Well maybe its you hiding because ive seen Julie all over the place in the last few weeks
"Take it to the bank..." Right.
Now I know flood is gone. This is the kiss of death.
Now I know flood is gone. This is the kiss of death.
Mulcahy and Pernetti didn't have the benefit of 2 years of B1G FB membership as a basis to raise funds as AD's either.
Instead of a 17% increase in donations they may have generated 100 points above that with B1G FB membership.
A 17% increase in donations is puny coming from the AAC to the B1G conference. And I suspect that many RU fans understand that.
Sounds like the RU administration is as big a cesspool as our state government. A bunch of fiefdoms looking out for their own interests rather than uniting to do what is best for the university. I don't get how RU believes that it can fire KF for cause but then is concerned that he will turn around and sue. The only way that makes sense is if through that suit JH gets exposed and Barchi does not want that. If that is what this comes down to then maybe she does need to go. While fundraising maybe better it obviously must still have a long way to go since we don't have the money to just fire and pay KF. We must be in a fairly dire situation to allow Towers to wield such influence. I have about had it with this school. I will focus on the minor sports where we seem to be competing well and that is womens soccer, and wrestling. If Donnigan can maintain and CVS can get it going again they will get my attention as well.
When it's said Barchi is afraid of being sued, maybe that's because he messed up the for cause reason to fire Flood when he suspended him.
Pernetti thought he had a great for cause reason to get rid of Hill and that didn't work out.
Tim had to negotiate Fred's buyout to get rid of him
Rice was a perfect for cause firing, Barchi fired him and then worked out a deal where MR got money to leave quietly .
Mulcahy tried to get rid of Waters using the for cause out, didn't work at all and Bob negotiated a payment so Gary would resign.
Don't think it's something that might be exposed as much as cost of litigation if RU loses Floods lawsuit because a t or I was not dotted or crossed perfectly allowing Flood to prove the for cause firing was invalid and make RU pay his full buyout and legal fees.
Pernetti thought he had a great for cause reason to get rid of Hill and that didn't work out.
Tim had to negotiate Fred's buyout to get rid of him
Rice was a perfect for cause firing, Barchi fired him and then worked out a deal where MR got money to leave quietly .
Mulcahy tried to get rid of Waters using the for cause out, didn't work at all and Bob negotiated a payment so Gary would resign.
Don't think it's something that might be exposed as much as cost of litigation if RU loses Floods lawsuit because a t or I was not dotted or crossed perfectly allowing Flood to prove the for cause firing was invalid and make RU pay his full buyout and legal fees.
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All I know is Rutgers has had a hard time getting big bucks from boosters and when Mulcahy tried raising funds for stadium expansion, fell far short of what was needed.
Pernetti couldn't raise funds for new basketball facilities and that shouldn't surprise any RU fan.
The funds were talked about , like funding the stadium was expected to happen, but in both cases never happened with boosters donations making it happen.
Hermann has to fight the culture of giving little but expecting a lot , before making moves that depend on extra funds.
RU joined the B1G, but the donor culture of RU hasn't gone B1G yet, so 17$ increase might be a step in the right direction in which previous ADs might not have been able to accomplish because that, despite being good ADS, couldn't make a dent in the amount needed to make RU Sports ( on the whole) successful in any conference .
All I know is Rutgers has had a hard time getting big bucks from boosters and when Mulcahy tried raising funds for stadium expansion, fell far short of what was needed.
Pernetti couldn't raise funds for new basketball facilities and that shouldn't surprise any RU fan.
The funds were talked about , like funding the stadium was expected to happen, but in both cases never happened with boosters donations making it happen.
Hermann has to fight the culture of giving little but expecting a lot , before making moves that depend on extra funds.
RU joined the B1G, but the donor culture of RU hasn't gone B1G yet, so 17$ increase might be a step in the right direction in which previous ADs might not have been able to accomplish because that, despite being good ADS, couldn't make a dent in the amount needed to make RU Sports ( on the whole) successful in any conference .
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What a total and complete, utter mess of a situation in almost every conceivable way. And the crazy thing? It looks like the entire cast will be back for another year.
Cool now I can relax since Flood will be fired this year. Mr. TV has spoken.
nice try to try and spin, we only have this evidence to go on and its increased 17% and that's the job she was brought into do. If you cant handle that with your peabrain and have to argue against a clear positive under her tenure I cant help you. Remember she also had to deal with a bunch of Pernetti tards which pulled their donations after she was canned, she had to work hard to get some of them back
I have 20+ extra R magnets, 4-5 rutgers hats, 20+ game day towels, 10+ t shirts, a couple of hoodies/sweatshirts, Helmet Salt & Pepper shakers, Rutgers chili bowl, thunder sticks, foam items, and Several boxes worth of many many more items I have collected over the years and all the Bowl games I attended ready to go into a box and be mailed to Julie & the Clown the minute this goes down in Fludds favor.
(I'll keep the 17R66 mini desk top flags and the custom 6 foot Cardboard R that my son made that has 200 mini red Christmas lights poked in it that we took to Texas and Toronto and hung out the window of the hotel) No kidding. oh..and the Brian Leonard autographed jersey and the Greg Schiano autographed poster. .
To think we had the excitement to DRIVE 3000+ miles to Texas & back in 2006 and now question our interest in going to cross state to Piscataway in 2015. Thank you Rutgers leadership. You're the best a nickle can buy.
(I'll keep the 17R66 mini desk top flags and the custom 6 foot Cardboard R that my son made that has 200 mini red Christmas lights poked in it that we took to Texas and Toronto and hung out the window of the hotel) No kidding. oh..and the Brian Leonard autographed jersey and the Greg Schiano autographed poster. .
To think we had the excitement to DRIVE 3000+ miles to Texas & back in 2006 and now question our interest in going to cross state to Piscataway in 2015. Thank you Rutgers leadership. You're the best a nickle can buy.
I can tell you from firsthand experience that raising money is not easy, particularly when your alums are not in the habit of giving and those with means to give at high levels see a school like Rutgers as an afterthought compared to more prestigious schools.
Stop. People in NJ have more money than they know what to do with. Not to mention corporations. Hell, Bon Jovi owns an arena team. Tired of THe excuses.
If it is because Barchi is afraid of a lawsuit from Flood...LMAO
RU seriously has the most incompetent legal team on the planet
RU seriously has the most incompetent legal team on the planet
Great. And how many of them even give a whiff to give to Rutgers. None.
Sounds like an opportunity for WillisNeverRanA43 to to do a Vincwrongo on him.
Is she wearing a muzzle? Mulchahy was talking about a fence around NJ, proclaiming our coach had to win 6 games or a change would be made, etc. All I've seen Hermann Munster "accomplish" is extending Flood's contract which her water boys on here conveniently ignore or chalk it up to her hands being tied.
around here, people have to be convinced the product is worth investing in. no one wants to invest in a loser.
the ol conundrum, if people don't donate, we can't win, people won't donate till we win.
Someone earlier pointed out that Purdue has the lowest donations of any of the existing B1G schools other than RU and MD. But it is many millions higher than what RU is generating currently.
That being the case I believe that most of us can agree that RU needs to increase our donations at least to Purdue's level if we are to close the budget gap and properly invest in athletic facilities in the future. That is the type of donations path we need to follow. Clearly we are nowhere near that pace with the current RU AD.
An increase of 17% in donations over last year is not closing the gap with Purdue. If anything that type of increase may actually widen the donations gap between the two schools.
My belief is that we need a new team in place at the AD and FB HC positions in order to undertake a strategy of catching up with the bottom rung of the rest of the conference with donations. In order to make this work RU also needs to do its part by investing some of its own capital to motivate the boosters and fanbase to donate more in the future. It needs to be a partnership between the school and the fanbase. That is how other schools do it successfully and that is what will work for RU.
17% annual increases will not cut it at this point. Let's get a team in place that has the capabilities of aiming and delivering at a much higher level than that. The current Athletic Dept leadership will not get the job done. Let's get a team in place who will.
The "secret" that every great fundraiser knows is that if you build relationships with no expectations of return, giving often follows and often comes from unexpected places and sometimes in unexpectedly large amounts.. Fundraisers who get straight to the "ask", mostly fail. I have watched poor fundraisers "ask" (without doing relationship building first) and it is a painful experience.
I have no idea how Herman is as a fundraiser. The evidence is that she has little skills at building relations with the press or the "average" fan. Is she saving her relationship building skills for big donors only? Perhaps, but call me skeptical.
I have said it before. NJ is rich in entertainment talent. Bon Jovi is an owner of an arena football team, and was part of a group that tried to buy the Bills. He has been a huge NFL football fan going back to 1990, when he was regularly on the sidelines of Giants games. He loves NJ. Seems like a guy to build a relationship with. . .
While Springsteen does not seem to be much of a football fan, would not hurt to reach out to him.
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Actually this looks more like a mess to our fans than it does to outsiders or fans of other programs..... On the surface of it, we decided to give a football coach another season here, having had a 8-5 season last year, but a 4 or 5 win season this..... Previous issues with the coach have been dealt with mid season, decisions made now on wins and losses
There are about a dozen programs with fired coaches, more programs yet to fire this year...... I am sure those fans and programs seem like a clusterf@ck to the fans of those programs, and on their internet sites.... The sky is falling elsewhere, where here at RU we quietly decided not to make any changes, no announcement deemed necessary when you stand pat
Look for a minor mention of support somewhere by Julie to get the message out to verbals and prospects that the coach that recruited them will be here.....
But, aside from the mid season scandal, the news out of Rutgers is not making any national news at this point in time....
I am floored by the number of "Rutgers people" who have the potential to be large donors who say things indicating that they " were big Tim Pernetti fans," "really don't like Julie Hermann" and thought "the school will never do well until she is gone." Two senior partner type attorneys I am working with told me that last week when we were talking Rutgers after a meeting. I said something along the lines of "I liked Tim a lot too, because he was a great person to work with, but I have to say he was pretty much a disaster as an AD. I think in the long run Julie will be much better." They literally looked at me like I was crazy, and asked why. I said well if you look at it, Tim was a nice guy, but he hired two of the biggest disasters in school history. All of the crap we are dealing with now was because of Tim's management. I pointed out the ridiculousness of hiring an assistant to save a single recruiting class, and the disastrous hiring and firing of Mike Rice. It was fun watching that sink in for people who had never really consisdered it. People liked Tim so much as a person, that they completely overlooked his actual job performance. I doubled down by pointing out that Julie was the first "true college athletics professional we had ever had running our department."
They said, well she is no good with the media. And at that point I knew this was a case of more people basing their opinion on the Star ledger. I said, I don't care one little bit. I said if she hires good coaches and raises money, she has my support. I couldn't care less what the media says. I used the line from here, "do you know who the Athletic Director of Alabama or OSU are? Of course they didn't. Its not about the media, its about the result on the field.
It was a fun conversation, and I think afterwards, they had a totally different viewpoint. It also was yet another example of how much damage has been done to the average fan by the SL. Intelligent people who dont know of the biases and poltical underpinnings really do take their reporting as the "state of the union"
Yes - almost like all of the other ADs who hired a bunch of cheapass nobodies that no one else wanted going all the way back to - well forever. Even Schiano was like the 5th pick HERE.
So lets get a little real. Yes she got picked in part for political reasons. Just like BM (explicitly political). Just like Tim P (good old boy alum, friend of the most important guy in the AD). Just like most ADs everywhere - its about how you know, or who you are, as much as what you have done.) If we had hired Sean Frazier half this board would have claimed he only got the job because he was black and been making the same accusations when he failed to be able to convince our crappy as donor base to pony up.)
I almost want her to get fired and replaced with another old boys network guy, so we can see (again) that its really RU that is the issue, not the specific AD.
Reality is we are trying to be a P5 team with a G5 donor base (and a mid-level one at best.) Its going to take more than two years of being a P5 team to convert RU into a P5 mindset, just like it essentially took 30 years for us to go from having a D1AA mindset to a Big East mindset.
I take it you are the client and the senior partner types are outside counsel. . . .
I was neutral on Tim and I am neutral to slightly negative on Julie Hermann. I surmise that the flip flop over the last week indicates she had some dirty laundry or nonfeasance or malfeasance. I can go neutral to positive on Julie Hermann if she is quietly raising the bar internally and significantly turning the tide on donations and important prospective donor relationships. Hiring the next football coach and the next men's BB coach, if she gets the chance, will define her.
It seems like every person who talks to her in person comes away pretty impressed.
I think its simpler than that. We dont have alot of big donors. They know it too - and make demands that they couldnt get away with elsewhere. Elsewhere, if donors at the level we are talking about here said - you hire only coaches x, y, and z, the school would say - no - we'll just go to the next biggest donor, and ask him, and you will lose some access because we give access to big donors. But at RU there are so few major donors, that they can get away with nonsense.
I mean look at the FB expansion - before Greg Brown stepped in with money for the recruiting lounge, we had raised something like $2 million for a $125 million project (some of it got cut because we had raised so little.). That was under Bob M, not Julie. Tim P was here for four years and didnt get a new basketball facility off the ground - again - presumably because its so hard to raise money here. He didnt raise significant money to hire a real coach instead of Flood or Mike Rice (and for BB - we are really talking about an extra $500,000 a year making a HUGE difference in the level of coach you could get in 2010).
Given the school wont pitch in, its hard to pin the lack of fundraising on Julie (in fact that probablly on makes it worse - big donors presumably want to see some sign that the school is as invested as they are). No one else here has had any better luck, even on the academic side we lag greatly.
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