The D is not the problem...

[theRU]

THE " D" Its not great, heck its not good.... But it can be serviceable and considering all that has happened with our secondary, i'd say its actually performing ok. The problem with a marginal Defense is that if you do not have an effective offense, the D unit ends up seeing the field a lot more than it should, which in turn wears them down and exposes them quicker than normal. THAT is our problem.

I posted these in another thread but thought it should have its own discussion separate from the QB debacle.

Here is the PSU game
1st half
3-punt
9-punt
3-punt
8- punt
5-punt
4-INT
score 21-0

second:
3-punt
7-int
3-punt
16-fg
2-fum
6-down
28-3

 

[theRU]

OSU game drive summary:

Look at this first half after our first drive - Missed FG
4 plays - punt
3 play- punt
6 plays- punt
3 plays - punt
4 plays- punt

21-0 - I'd say the D actually did a valiant job considering the opponent, not talented or deep enough to hold them in the second half.

3 plays- punt
1 play - INT
8 - punt
3- punt
10- TD

 

[theRU]

even VS MSU

3-punt
3-punt
3-punt
4-td
2-TD
5-punt
2- End half

RU 14- MSU 10

second half:
3-punt
11-td
16-fg
7-downs
End of game

 

[Purple-Ed]

On average the defense gives up 32 points per game. I would say that's a BIG problem.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

I beg to differ. While the O isn't helping - NO question - stats don't lie:

Total D - 111th
Pass Efficiency D - 118th
TO's - 101st
Sacks - 98th
TFL - 64th
Run D - 47th (and dropping...IIRC we were 30th going into last night)

 

[bac2therac]

sorry OP...the defense is the major major problem. Its not serviceable. Have you been paying attention.

 

[theRU]

On average the defense gives up 32 points per game. I would say that's a BIG problem.

yes, don't bother looking at the game flow.

What did you w

I beg to differ. While the O isn't helping - NO question - stats don't lie:

Total D - 111th
Pass Efficiency D - 118th
TO's - 101st
Sacks - 98th
TFL - 64th
Run D - 47th (and dropping...IIRC we were 30th going into last night)

Nuts, but you realize those stats get inflated due to the amount of time they spend on the field right?
Look at the losses and you can see that we have a boom or bust offense.

 

[theRU]

sorry OP...the defense is the major major problem. Its not serviceable. Have you been paying attention.

yes i have, i took the time to look at the drives. If our offense gains 20% in efficiency, you automatically reduce the time the D is on the field.

 

[rutgersal]

Our best defense is a good offense. When the offense isn't good then our defense is going to be shredded.

 

[Purple-Ed]

Wow, I feel enlightened.

 

[theRU]

Our best defense is a good offense. When the offense isn't good then our defense is going to be shredded.

Exactly.

My point is we know the D isn't a strength, but the O sure as hell isn't helping an undermanned and essentially new secondary.

 

[shields]

Let us be honest though, the O did nothing on Saturday and that big OSU line was going to wear us down because the offense did nothing. Defense does miss Hamilton a lot.

 

[lighty]

On average the defense gives up 32 points per game. I would say that's a BIG problem.

The op is right. If the defense is ALWAYS on the field, they will give up points.

If we had an offense with a pulse in the first half of these games, we wouldn't be giving up 30+ a game.

 

[eceres]

Well do the drive summary for our opponents see how much worse we are... The more quick drives we have the more drives opponent gets.

Summarizing stats above...
PSU 6/12 4 or less plays
PSU 3/12 8 or more plays
Time possession: 32:39

OSU 7/10 4 or less plays
OSU 2/10 8 or more play
Time possession: 27:20

MSU 7/11 4 or less plays
MSU 2/11 8 or more play
Time possession: 25:48

 

[theRU]

The op is right. If the defense is ALWAYS on the field, they will give up points.

If we had an offense with a pulse in the first half of these games, we wouldn't be giving up 30+ a game.

exactly...not only are they on the field, look at how many 3 and 4 play drives we have. Its amazing.

 

[theRU]

Well do the drive summary for our opponents see how much worse we are... The more quick drives we have the more drives opponent gets.

Summarizing stats above...
PSU 6/12 4 or less plays
PSU 3/12 8 or more plays
Time possession: 32:39

OSU 7/10 4 or less plays
OSU 2/10 8 or more play
Time possession: 27:20

MSU 7/11 4 or less plays
MSU 2/11 8 or more play
Time possession: 25:48

even when we do score, they tend to be quick strikes to carroo. Def won't complain about that, but we're the anti of our typical Ball control MO.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

yes, don't bother looking at the game flow.

What did you w


Nuts, but you realize those stats get inflated due to the amount of time they spend on the field right?
Look at the losses and you can see that we have a boom or bust offense.

- we put up 550 yards of O and 55 points against IU despite giving up a ton of yards and points so how do you account for the O being the problem in this game?

- I wouldn't call our O "boom or bust." I'd call it "play well against REALLY BAD D's, however, not so much against good ones"

2-5 FCS Norfolk State
IU - 113th
KU - 127th (dead last)
Wazzou - 97th

- now the D's we haven't moved the ball against:

PSU - 23rd (Maryland rolled up yardage and points on them)
OSU - 13th (Maryland rolled up yardage and points on the as well)
MSU - 37th and dropping and even in this game we only managed 349 total yards

Again I don't disagree, the more the D is on the field, the more it hurts their stats, but it's not all on the O. Not even close.

 

[RUSK97]

The D really isn't the problem. The O really isn't the problem. Special teams aren't the problem. Wait, we have no problem at all! I love denial.

 

[bac2therac]

no is saying the offense is wonderful but it was good enough to beat Washington State and Michigan State. It was the defense in those games that couldn't come up with stops late. I wont even get into giving up 52 points vs Indiana and getting shredded and have to ride an improbable comeback

 

[RURM85]

no is saying the offense is wonderful but it was good enough to beat Washington State and Michigan State. It was the defense in those games that couldn't come up with stops late. I wont even get into giving up 52 points vs Indiana and getting shredded and have to ride an improbable comeback

This is it in a nutshell. Against Washington State up by 4 points with one and a half minutes to go, and they could not make the 1 play that was made in 2014 to stop the Cougars from driving the field and scoring. They had multiple opportunities including a near INT and a 4th down. Tie game against Michigan State, Spartans have the last opportunity to drive the field and score, and we lose the game. In both games, the offense played well enough to win and it was the defense that could not make the last stand.

 

[WhiteBus]

I'm not even going to read the OP'S post or any responses. This automatically becomes the dumbest thread of 2015. WTF are you watching????

 

[Spare130]

Yeah I mean giving up more than 100 points in the past 2 games isn't a problem.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I agree with OP.. To a point the best D is a good O. We know the D has issues... But the y get no help from the O.

 

[RU205]

This D is not good, they have little depth, they are on the field too much because the O is also not very good. By the 4th Q they are gassed.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

THE " D" Its not great, heck its not good.... But it can be serviceable and considering all that has happened with our secondary, i'd say its actually performing ok. The problem with a marginal Defense is that if you do not have an effective offense, the D unit ends up seeing the field a lot more than it should, which in turn wears them down and exposes them quicker than normal. THAT is our problem.

I posted these in another thread but thought it should have its own discussion separate from the QB debacle.

Here is the PSU game
1st half
3-punt
9-punt
3-punt
8- punt
5-punt
4-INT
score 21-0

second:
3-punt
7-int
3-punt
16-fg
2-fum
6-down
28-3

Way off

We are giving up 32 ppg and 460
Yards a game and have a 1aa team and Kansas bring that average down after a year giving up 32 ppg and 440 ypg

That is a big big big problem on defense

 

[kapyoche]

The OP is spot on. A good running game is the best defense, especially in the BIG. We don't have it.

 

[theRU]

Yeah I mean giving up more than 100 points in the past 2 games isn't a problem.

no, i mean having 25 3 and outs isn't help them.

 

[LotusAggressor]

The defense is a problem, and it's not because of the offense. It's because they can't defend anything other than pro-style offenses. If there are 4 or 5 WRs on the field, the defense is toast. If the opponent runs the zone read, the defense is toast. If the opponent runs the Airraid, the defense is toast. The only halfway decent defensive game this team played was against MSU, a team that doesn't really do most of those things. This is a schematic issue. If the offense played better, they would have lost the OSU game 49-21 instead of 49-7

 

[theRU]

The defense is a problem, and it's not because of the offense. It's because they can't defend anything other than pro-style offenses. If there are 4 or 5 WRs on the field, the defense is toast. If the opponent runs the zone read, the defense is toast. If the opponent runs the Airraid, the defense is toast. The only halfway decent defensive game this team played was against MSU, a team that doesn't really do most of those things. This is a schematic issue. If the offense played better, they would have lost the OSU game 49-21 instead of 49-7

agreed against OSU...psu different ball game. Turn some of those punts into even 8 play fg drives and you are looking at a different ball game...you reduce your opponents possessions, and opportunities to score. All of the sudden 28-3 is in the 14-21 point range and manageable...

 

[rutgers4life11]

please for the love of god, look at our defensive ranks in all categories over the past 3 years. our defense sucks. there is absolutely no argument that can refute the stats.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

please for the love of god, look at our defensive ranks in all categories over the past 3 years. our defense sucks. there is absolutely no argument that can refute the stats.

But people will still make excuses...bottom line is the bottom line...since the GREAT D Flood had in 2012 - basically all Greg guys and a slew of future NFL kids - this D has plummeted, period, there is NO argument about it!

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

But people will still make excuses...bottom line is the bottom line...since the GREAT D Flood had in 2012 - basically all Greg guys and a slew of future NFL kids - this D has plummeted, period, there is NO argument about it!

I would say the DL is better and deeper than 2012 (that was the weakness on the 2012 D and one reason we lost to VT). LBs are about the same and DBs are much worse.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Hey, found a pic of the OP:

 

[bac2therac]

But people will still make excuses...bottom line is the bottom line...since the GREAT D Flood had in 2012 - basically all Greg guys and a slew of future NFL kids - this D has plummeted, period, there is NO argument about it!

shhh there are posters on the round table who will insists its Schianos fault and the cupboard was bare and it takes 5 years for Flood to be held responsible

 

[AreYouNUTS]

I would say the DL is better and deeper than 2012 (that was the weakness on the 2012 D and one reason we lost to VT). LBs are about the same and DBs are much worse.

Uhm, well, here are 2012 Team Stats:

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2012&div=IA&site=org

Total D - 12th
PED - 17th
Run D - 6th
TO's - 9th
Scoring - 4th
TFL - 16th
Sacks - (oddly) 66th

...so, despite an easier schedule, no doubt, you simply can't compare the 2 D's IMHO.

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

Uhm, well, here are 2012 Team Stats:

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2012&div=IA&site=org

Total D - 12th
PED - 17th
Run D - 6th
TO's - 9th
Scoring - 4th
TFL - 16th
Sacks - (oddly) 66th

...so, despite an easier schedule, no doubt, you simply can't compare the 2 D's IMHO.

Yes but we're going against big ten lines and not the smaller big east lines. That's a big difference. Make then on DL we only really had Francis and Scott Vallone as threats on DL. Now we have Wilkins, JPO, Turay, Lambert, Joseph. At LB it's a push with Longa and Khaseeme Greene about the same. Big difference was that we had experienced lock down corners in logan ryan and mccourty on both sides and a hard hitting safety in duron harmon.

We left our DBs on islands most games and blitzed the heck out of people. Our secondary limits what we can do. Our DL in 2012 wouldn't have done much against the good big ten lines either.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Yes but we're going against big ten lines and not the smaller big east lines. That's a big difference. Make then on DL we only really had Francis and Scott Vallone as threats on DL. Now we have Wilkins, JPO, Turay, Lambert, Joseph. At LB it's a push with Longa and Khaseeme Greene about the same. Big difference was that we had experienced lock down corners in logan ryan and mccourty on both sides and a hard hitting safety in duron harmon.

We left our DBs on islands most games and blitzed the heck out of people. Our secondary limits what we can do. Our DL in 2012 wouldn't have done much against the good big ten lines either.

Again, I agree, big difference in schedule, but still a huge difference in stats. I mean we're talking "not even close" here, right? IMHO the 2012 D would probably rank mid-20's to 30's in those categories, against this year's schedule, maybe a little higher but maybe not. That secondary was very, very good, remember.

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

Maybe mid 30s. I just think the DL this season is better than 2012. LBs are the same. That's all.

An elite secondary as you saw from those defensive stats makes a HUGE difference because it allows you to dial up a ton of exotic play calling to confuse opposing OLs and QBs.

 

[willisneverrana43]

The D is bad and has had record-settingly bad years for going on three years running. It's the most obvious thing in the history of obviousness.

 

[LotusAggressor]

The loss against VT in the bowl game wasn't because of the d-line. It was because of terrible QB and OL play.