Ok Shifty, How about in the immortal words of Henry Rollins and Black Flag.."Rise Above. We're gonna rise above!"
The Legend of Saint Greg
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There was no doubt I complained, and I’ll complain again:)
I’ll take my chances with GS.
His high floor at this time is a no brainer to me.
I think the chances are greater, any other coach you bring in will be overwhelmed...unless it was Meyer or a Franklin
I am not in the Schiano camp as I feel his ceiling is too low and I was never a fan of his game day coaching(not to mention he was, and still is, clueless in trying to stop spread/read option offenses). Frankly I thought once Ash was fired RU would experience that dead cat bounce and actually play better going forward and the job might look attractive. However, and to be graphic, that cat splattered to the point where things are so bad now I wonder if any up and coming coach would risk his career to come here. So to that extent maybe Schiano is the only viable option because this has to be rebuilt from the ground up again and at least that is something he knows how to do. The question is does he really want to do that again. I would personally like to see an up and coming creative offensive coach, but it that cannot be found then maybe Schiano is the next best thing.
Good post and sobering.
As bad as we are and the total rebuild necessary, makes this a high floor job the next 5 years.
It’ll take 3 just to have the pleasure of expectations!
Remember people, we lead the league in “well what did you expect”
Maybe it’s been said before in other posts on this topic but I believe people do not give enough credit to Schiano for overcoming all the obstacles associated with the Rutgers football program. How many, if any, P5 schools have less history of success overall at a high D1 level; less support from its alumni base (across the entire spectrum from those with power and money and casual fans - in particular, older alumni with wealth who never experienced a D1 game as a student or young alumni and could care less about RU football), as well as from school officials and administrators who have some influence; less support from its State government and the general population; greater negative stigma among its high school students due to its geographical location and other factors; and more local media bias and opposition. I believe all these factors make Rutgers football a very difficult job and not necessarily a great fit for even the most brilliant football minds with great x and o and gameday coaching abilities.
Why don’t you tell us how you really feel?
If it’s so easy to recruit New Jersey how come he was the only Rutgers coach could do it?
When you are a long time Rutgers fan one thing you are always looking at is are we trending up?
In that respect he never failed. He took a lousy program and just built it up. Always something new,always getting better recruits. More and more players in the NFL. More successful players in the NFL. Bigger wins.He added seats to the stadium, if he stayed we might be building another addition by now.
I don’t know if he’s going to get invited back. I don’t know if he wants to come back. I can tell you when he was here it was the most exiting time to be a Rutgers football fan in history. He gained a lot of respect for the program that we haven’t seen since he left.
We sure could use a little of that right now.
Not saying he’s the only coach who could do it but you have to give him credit for what he accomplished here.
Technically, they were. 2013 was the first year of the AAC and the last year of the BCS. The AAC was grandfathered into the Big East's BCS bid that year. Central Florida, behind Blake Bortles, won the BE and beat Baylor in the Fiesta Bowl.
But but but... Urban Meyer is available. Why settle for Schiano when you can pull Urban Meyer out of retirement to take on a program rebuild for middle of the road salary at a place that only kinda likes college football when the team is winning.
Thank you. You understand the concept. @bac2therac, please reread the first paragraph of the OP.
I'm acknowledging that it is reasonable to believe we are in the B1G today because of what Greg did here. Before Greg got here, we were battling Temple for 7th place in the eight team Big East. I understand the sentiment that he has earned the opportunity to "bask in the glory" and that he has gained your trust. But he chose to leave. If RU hires him back, that should only happen as long as it is also what's best for Rutgers football and Rutgers University. Want one more pro-Greg statement? If Flood ran the program like Schiano did, Chris Ash was never the head coach at Rutgers.
I think Greg is Hobb’s plan B. If not then they would have met and the meet up
would have been leaked by one side. Had they met and Greg passed then his agent would have let others know that he’s not waiting on Rutgers.
Why not? Its driving baseball, basketball and is just getting rolling in football. We need all the help we can get.
I would bet Ohio state and Michiigan are.
If you didn't go to the BCS bowl game you didn't win anything.
Holy cow man.
35 years -- nice.
I'm just trying to survive with 2 boys under 10 driving us nuts.
Oooooooooohhhhhhh, wait until they become teenagers! You are gonna wish they were under 10 again.
They were in the inaugural season of the American Athletic Conference (2013), which is the only season it was a BCS Conference. They won the conference and then beat Baylor in the Fiesta Bowl
Assume, for the sake of argument, he was willing to come here for a reasonable, albeit extremely high, salary. The benefits to RU would dwarf any amorphous negative perception nonsense. It's not even close.
He's the only available coach for whom the expectation of having a national championship caliber team in 4 years is not a ridiculous proposition. Because he's the only one whose name outweighs RU perception enough to instantly and dramatically improve the recruiting of players and assistants.
And having a national championship capable football program maximizes every positive aspect of having a football program. Revenue, perception, marketing, everything.
The BOG is going to say no to that? I don't think so.
Urban Meyer wouldn't come here if you gave him a blank check. It’s not happening!
I know if we could ever get a Hall of Famer it would give us instant credibility but that is not how it works. I sure wouldn't mind getting a young Howard Schnellenberger,(Miami) or young Bobby Bowden (Fla.St.) type of coach to build this thing. I think we’re beyond that though too.
I think this time around we need a well respected
coach that still has some gas in the tank to out work the competition.
I know if we could ever get a Hall of Famer it would give us instant credibility but that is not how it works. I sure wouldn't mind getting a young Howard Schnellenberger,(Miami) or young Bobby Bowden (Fla.St.) type of coach to build this thing. I think we’re beyond that though too.
I think this time around we need a well respected
coach that still has some gas in the tank to out work the competition.
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I have no idea what Meyer would accept. I would guess that he's not interested at all. He doesn't need the money and might no longer have much interest in the stress.
I don't think he'd come here either. But I'd be annoyed to find out that we didn't at least raise the question with him or his agent. Because you and I are just making educated guesses. Which is not nearly the same thing as knowing.
In fact, if I were Hobbs, I'd pull together a presentation just for Meyer that sought to convince him. Because why not? It wouldn't take long to do and there's no downside and immense upside in making the attempt.
Extremely low odds, sure. But far stranger things happen all the time.
Agree. But Hobbs should have made that presentation for Les Miles last year.
Miles would have moved the needle for RU FB like few others could.
Hobbs is in a tough spot right now. Greg is his last resort but Greg will take any P5 or close to P5 program before RU imo. Hobbs needs to come up with a big name. A Lance Leipold type will not convince the fan base to buy tix next season.
I completely agree about Miles (and advocated for it then, as did @RU4Real).
I also agree about Schiano preferring to be elsewhere. RU could be highly toxic for him this time around as many of those who are clamoring for him now are voicing ridiculously high expectations for him and will be the first to sour on him. The thing a lot of people are overlooking is that Schiano's familiarity with the recruiting struggle at RU makes him more realistic than most about how likely it is he can overcome that challenge this time around. And if he's even interested in coaching right now, he must realize that his career cannot survive another failure. So we're probably his fallback position.
Hopefully Hobbs can locate another Miles-type hire somewhere and convince him to come to RU. I don't know who. But then it's not my job to know who.
Can you tell me who has ridiculously high expectations for GS?
I would say 99% of the Schiano advocates think he’s the best man to right the ship and get us off of Joke Street.
That’s nothing more than giving the program an identity, winning a handful of games and giving us the gift of some expectations.
And even that will take at least two years given the shit show, dead program he’d have to revive
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