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The pessimism here is way overdone

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Blah blah blah two top draft picks are leaving. The truly relevant thing is that two third team B1G players are leaving, one of which took the entire OOC to get up to speed and the other of which was out or severely limited for 40% of the conference season. This on a team that played the worst defense BY FAR of any Pike team here. The defense was worse than many of Pike's STONY BROOK teams.

Will next year's team be bad on offense? Almost certainly. But not THAT bad. If it can be in the range of #100 on offense and play the average Pike defense it will be like a bubble-out type team. If it can play slightly better offense or defense than that it can be a tournament team. I'm not predicting that.. but the team will likely be as or more competitive that last year's squad. Not exactly a huge win, but not the sub-10 win, last place in B1G doomsaying nonsense either.
 
Baye Fall defensive prowess will be the make or break.

We had offensive firepower last year the interior Defense was a turnstile. I also like the size we bring 1-5 on this roster. We need one more sizable scorer then i think i agree with the bubble out.
 
Steve Pikiell defenses:

YearSchoolD Rank
2024​
Rutgers
5​
2020​
Rutgers
6​
2023​
Rutgers
6​
2021​
Rutgers
16​
2018​
Rutgers
28​
2013​
Stony Brook
40​
2019​
Rutgers
46​
2022​
Rutgers
53​
2016​
Stony Brook
67​
2017​
Rutgers
70​
2015​
Stony Brook
88​
2011​
Stony Brook
90​
2025​
Rutgers
116​
2009​
Stony Brook
124​
2012​
Stony Brook
133​
2007​
Stony Brook
166​
2014​
Stony Brook
173​
2010​
Stony Brook
183​
2008​
Stony Brook
235​
2006​
Stony Brook
275​

Last year ranks #13 out of 20 total. 11 of those 20 were at Stony Brook.
 
Steve Pikiell defenses:

YearSchoolD Rank
2024​
Rutgers
5​
2020​
Rutgers
6​
2023​
Rutgers
6​
2021​
Rutgers
16​
2018​
Rutgers
28​
2013​
Stony Brook
40​
2019​
Rutgers
46​
2022​
Rutgers
53​
2016​
Stony Brook
67​
2017​
Rutgers
70​
2015​
Stony Brook
88​
2011​
Stony Brook
90​
2025​
Rutgers
116​
2009​
Stony Brook
124​
2012​
Stony Brook
133​
2007​
Stony Brook
166​
2014​
Stony Brook
173​
2010​
Stony Brook
183​
2008​
Stony Brook
235​
2006​
Stony Brook
275​

Last year ranks #13 out of 20 total. 11 of those 20 were at Stony Brook.
Flux , love the positive post and I am usually offering up the glass half full side. This past year’s team was a lot closer to a bubble team than people think with 5-7 more wins with at least a stitch of defense. Last year’s team was also a Cliff and Mag away from being a top 10 team. The margin of difference was a lot closer than all the negative garbage spewed on here. Admittedly , Pike screwed up not retaining Cliff or not bringing in a rim protector once he knew Cliff was gone. Do not know what happened with Mag but losing him and losing him at the head of the press which last year’s team could have used , plus his individual and team defense was sorely missed and Pike never replaced him. Damn what could have been.
Moving on to this year , obviously the last few days with the signings of Fall and Zrno gets you a rim protector on defense at least and hopefully a base minimum on offense with 6-8 points on dunks and putbacks. Getting ZRno a legitimate 44% shooter from 3 and 50% shooter from 2 and 75% foul shooter also helps find some scoring.
But as the roster exists right now , we will struggle to score 50 a game. Pike absolutely needs to get a 2 way scorer either guard or wing that can legitimately get you 13 ppg to get us to 63 points a game.
I do think Lino Mark and Chris Nwuil will provide a lot offensively and defensively as the year goes on as they have the best chance of the freshman to make an immediate impact .
Not sure of how impactful Buchanan or Francis will be or the leap Dylan Grant makes . Kinda like wild cards here at this point. So still need more to make this team competitive and respectable. But the last few days are steps in the right direction at least.
 
Blah blah blah two top draft picks are leaving. The truly relevant thing is that two third team B1G players are leaving, one of which took the entire OOC to get up to speed and the other of which was out or severely limited for 40% of the conference season. This on a team that played the worst defense BY FAR of any Pike team here. The defense was worse than many of Pike's STONY BROOK teams.

Will next year's team be bad on offense? Almost certainly. But not THAT bad. If it can be in the range of #100 on offense and play the average Pike defense it will be like a bubble-out type team. If it can play slightly better offense or defense than that it can be a tournament team. I'm not predicting that.. but the team will likely be as or more competitive that last year's squad. Not exactly a huge win, but not the sub-10 win, last place in B1G doomsaying nonsense either.
Steve Pikiell defenses:

YearSchoolD Rank
2024​
Rutgers
5​
2020​
Rutgers
6​
2023​
Rutgers
6​
2021​
Rutgers
16​
2018​
Rutgers
28​
2013​
Stony Brook
40​
2019​
Rutgers
46​
2022​
Rutgers
53​
2016​
Stony Brook
67​
2017​
Rutgers
70​
2015​
Stony Brook
88​
2011​
Stony Brook
90​
2025​
Rutgers
116​
2009​
Stony Brook
124​
2012​
Stony Brook
133​
2007​
Stony Brook
166​
2014​
Stony Brook
173​
2010​
Stony Brook
183​
2008​
Stony Brook
235​
2006​
Stony Brook
275​

Last year ranks #13 out of 20 total. 11 of those 20 were at Stony Brook.
what was their record in 24...the 5 ranking is meaningless
 
Agreed. Maybe next season we'll have 3 of the Top 5 picks in the draft ... and then we'll have a very small, outside shot of making the tournament.
 
Blah blah blah two top draft picks are leaving. The truly relevant thing is that two third team B1G players are leaving, one of which took the entire OOC to get up to speed and the other of which was out or severely limited for 40% of the conference season. This on a team that played the worst defense BY FAR of any Pike team here. The defense was worse than many of Pike's STONY BROOK teams.

Will next year's team be bad on offense? Almost certainly. But not THAT bad. If it can be in the range of #100 on offense and play the average Pike defense it will be like a bubble-out type team. If it can play slightly better offense or defense than that it can be a tournament team. I'm not predicting that.. but the team will likely be as or more competitive that last year's squad. Not exactly a huge win, but not the sub-10 win, last place in B1G doomsaying nonsense either.
I disagree. There isn't one single proven player on the team, unless you count the European kid, which IMO is fair. So we have one proven player. If history is a guide, we can expect little if any production from Ogbole and Fall. Same with all our guards and the GW kid. I hope they all prove otherwise but just going on history we are likely to be pretty bad.
 
what was their record in 24...the 5 ranking is meaningless
RU weas 15-17 overall, 7-13 in conference regular season.

RU was 14-1 when they held their opponents to 65 points or fewer. And 1-16 when they allowed their opponents to score 67 or more points.

Until J. Williams got eligible, in the first 20 games, RU's 2 leading scorers were Hyatt and Omoruyi each at about 10.5 ppg. That is awful. Williams only played 40% of RU's games. Mag was the 4th leading scorer at 9 ppg - but only played half the games. Simpson was the 5th leading scorer and was LITERALLY the worst shooting player IN THE COUNTRY with I think at least a 20% usage rate (don't kill me on the usage rate - I have no idea what that means, and whether 20% is high or low) - but Simpson started most of the games, averaged 26 mpg, took the 2nd most FG attempts on the team - 2 FG's fewer than Hyatt - and shot 30% FG overall, 31% from 2-point range and 28% from 3-point range. People might be forgetting just how painful it was to watch Simpson get wide open shot after wide open shot and miss, and miss, and miss. If Simpson had been merely a BAD shooter, rather than a historically bad shooter, RU might have won 4-5 additional games ... and been 19-12 in the regular season, 10-10 in the Big 10 and squarely on the bubble.

It is hard to fathom or believe RU could have a starter worse offensively than Simpson was in that season. he was literally that bad.

So, yeah, I think RU could actually be better in 2025-26 than they were in 2023-24. Not a given, but realistic.
 
RU weas 15-17 overall, 7-13 in conference regular season.

RU was 14-1 when they held their opponents to 65 points or fewer. And 1-16 when they allowed their opponents to score 67 or more points.

Until J. Williams got eligible, in the first 20 games, RU's 2 leading scorers were Hyatt and Omoruyi each at about 10.5 ppg. That is awful. Williams only played 40% of RU's games. Mag was the 4th leading scorer at 9 ppg - but only played half the games. Simpson was the 5th leading scorer and was LITERALLY the worst shooting player IN THE COUNTRY with I think at least a 20% usage rate (don't kill me on the usage rate - I have no idea what that means, and whether 20% is high or low) - but Simpson started most of the games, averaged 26 mpg, took the 2nd most FG attempts on the team - 2 FG's fewer than Hyatt - and shot 30% FG overall, 31% from 2-point range and 28% from 3-point range. People might be forgetting just how painful it was to watch Simpson get wide open shot after wide open shot and miss, and miss, and miss. If Simpson had been merely a BAD shooter, rather than a historically bad shooter, RU might have won 4-5 additional games ... and been 19-12 in the regular season, 10-10 in the Big 10 and squarely on the bubble.

It is hard to fathom or believe RU could have a starter worse offensively than Simpson was in that season. he was literally that bad.

So, yeah, I think RU could actually be better in 2025-26 than they were in 2023-24. Not a given, but realistic.
Wow

Its amazing how its wash rinse repeat with unbridled optimism

The Bosnian pickup is very promising but there is little evidence to indicate the other pick ups are meaningful

Are you declaring Buchanan as good as Hyatt or Williams..I'm not fans of those 2 but do not see it

Its amazing to watch the ifs twisting to justify things

The high end is 8-12..I will agree with that. The low end is 2-18

Im giving 4 wins at home because 7 of them are tossups and 3 almost sure losses

This team has a tough road slate

Perhaps Penn State..who else?
 
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I disagree. There isn't one single proven player on the team, unless you count the European kid, which IMO is fair. So we have one proven player. If history is a guide, we can expect little if any production from Ogbole and Fall. Same with all our guards and the GW kid. I hope they all prove otherwise but just going on history we are likely to be pretty bad.
We don't need that much production to be roughly the same as last year. We just need a baseline Pike defense.

Again I'm not all "ra ra it's a tournament team, we'll be good". I just don't think we'll be last in the league or like 3-17 or whatever.
 
Blah blah blah two top draft picks are leaving. The truly relevant thing is that two third team B1G players are leaving, one of which took the entire OOC to get up to speed and the other of which was out or severely limited for 40% of the conference season. This on a team that played the worst defense BY FAR of any Pike team here. The defense was worse than many of Pike's STONY BROOK teams.

Will next year's team be bad on offense? Almost certainly. But not THAT bad. If it can be in the range of #100 on offense and play the average Pike defense it will be like a bubble-out type team. If it can play slightly better offense or defense than that it can be a tournament team. I'm not predicting that.. but the team will likely be as or more competitive that last year's squad. Not exactly a huge win, but not the sub-10 win, last place in B1G doomsaying nonsense either.
I’m a 30 year long season ticket holder and diehard fan and frankly there is just very little to be excited about for next year IMHO. Pre-NIL Pike had the team on a steady upward trajectory, but since NIL the program is sadly headed in the wrong direction.
 
Wow

Its amazing how its wash rinse repeat with unbridled optimism

The Bosnian pickup is very promising but there is little evidence to indicate the other pick ups are meaningful

Are you declaring Buchanan as good as Hyatt or Williams..I'm not fans of those 2 but do not see it

Its amazing to watch the ifs twisting to justify things

The high end is 8-12..I will agree with that. The low end is 2-18

Im giving 4 wins at home because 7 of them are tossups and 3 almost sure losses

This team has a tough road slate

Perhaps Penn State..who else?
Heck, I don't know. Until I actually see any of the players, and waht the returnees have done to improve themselves, none of us will truly know.

That said:

1) Hyatt was a solid ball player, really only suited as a 6th or 7th man. He was solid offensively, but extremely streaky. he shot 50% from the field or better in exactly 3 games of 32 played. He took over 50% of his shots from 3-point range, but only hit 31% from 3-point range. He was a very good rebounder, IMO - but an average defender at best. So, yes, I have some hopes Buchanan might be as good or better. But, sure, he might not be as good. He was better as a freshman at GW in the A-10 than Hyatt was in any single of his 5 years.

2) Let's look at Simpson - the starter for 25 of 32 games. Who should we compare him to on next season's roster? Davis, the potential starting PG? Zrno, the presumptive 2G? Francis, another potential starting PG? Simpson played some PG - but was as much the 2G for RU as the PG. Let's just say this: Other than Davis, Simpson should be considered a far better defender than any other guard for RU in '25-'26. But offensively, it would be hard to imagine any player, even Francis (about whom I am very negative), being quite so awful as Simpson was ... sorry, not meaning to crap on Simpson, but his numbers were what they were. So I expect an upgrade at that position almost no matter who fills it.

3) Mag - well, we know in 2022-23 after McConnell, Mag was the key to RU's defense. And when he played in 2023-24 he was above average at least, maybe better than that. And he was a good rebounder - though not as good as he had been in 2022-23. And offensively ... he was assertive, averaged 9 ppg ... but was 25% from 3, ,39% over all and just 46% from 2-point range ... all (including the rebounding) a substantial drop off from the prior season ... and in more mpg, though in just 17 games. So ... Can Grant be as good or better than Mag? I think you would have to say Grant is unlikely to be as good a defender, though I expect him to improve to be at least solid. But as a freshman, Grant shot a better FG% by a fair margin (45%), shot better from 2 (58% - though admittedly they were pretty much all dunks off alley oops or easy put-backs), was slightly worse form 3 - but not statistically significantly different at 23% to Mag's 25%, averaged more rebounds per game in 8 mpg fewer and averaged 6 ppg vs Mag's 9 ppg as a JUNIOR - in 8 mpg fewer. I would say Grant has a reasonable chance to be a better overall player as a SO than Mag was as a JR: Worse defender, better rebounder and offensive player.

4) Omoruyi: Yeah ... No hope Fall and Ogbole are better than Omoruyi and Woolfolk. RU in 2025-26 will have to make that up e;sewhere in the line-up. Though Omoruyi was definitely worse offensively in 2023-24 than he was in the prior 2 seasons. But he WAS a GREAT help defender with his blocked shots - not good, but great ... though his on-ball post defense was ... ugh. I've walked through those numbers several times before on these Boards. But,m no, Fall and Ogbole will not likely be nearly as good as Omoruyi and Woolfolk.

5) Who was the 5th starter? Davis, Fernandes both started plenty - 29 games between the 2 of them ... and J. Williams started 11 games (Simpson started 25 games) ... 65 starts out of 64 total starts or 2 positions (2G and PG). so ... Take your pick ... assume we swap Zrno for Simpson, let's say. Then you have a JR Davis, a FR Mark and the JR portal Transfer Francis as the "replacement" for Williams, Fernandes and a FR Davis. If a JR Davis is the replacement for a FR Davis I am HIUGHLY confident the JR Davis will be a significant overall improvement. Hopefully his defense returns - but offensively I am certain he will be better than a FR Davis, and I am certain his ass/TI ratio will be far better than Davis' was as a FR, and his shooting percentages will also be better. Francis - well I do have my doubts. I think Fernandes, for example is better than Francis. Obviously, I hope I am wrong. And then there is Williams - who was RU's best player the last 12 games that year. So, yes, for part of the season it will be tough to replace what Williams gave for 12 games - but he gave nothing because he could not play for 20 games - in which case the non-J. Williams player would be ... Griffiths or Austin Williams. I am pretty sure the combo of a JR J. Davis, Mark and Francis will at least meet, if not exceed the performances of 20 games without Williams balanced by 12 games with him, Fernandes, a FR Davis, Griffiths and A. Williams. Not that high a hurdle, after all.

6) Non-Guard Bench other than Centers: Griffiths, A. Williams, Palmquist vs Nwuli, Dortch, Powers and the last player. We know Griffiths was mostly damaging when on the court. Nwuli won't have the offensive potential but we think could be a solid bench player as a FR. I am confident Dortch will be a better overall player than Austen Williams - maybe not an offensive threat, but a real shot-blocker and rebounder off the bench. Better than Palmquist also. Powers - we think is not quite ready for more than spot minutes and we don't know who the 13th player is. But I would absolutely hope Nwuli and Dortch alone are better than Griffiths and A. Williams - in different ways, but overall better.

So, yeah, I think the 2025-26 team may be better than the 2023-24 team. But I do recognize it has a lot of questions marks now and we won't know until after the season begins.
 
We don't need that much production to be roughly the same as last year. We just need a baseline Pike defense.

Again I'm not all "ra ra it's a tournament team, we'll be good". I just don't think we'll be last in the league or like 3-17 or whatever.
really? who is putting up 30 points or 25 points or 20 points...who is the go to guy driving to the hoop when we need it that the defenses have trouble stopping...by gosh its Francis
 
I’m a 30 year long season ticket holder and diehard fan and frankly there is just very little to be excited about for next year IMHO. Pre-NIL Pike had the team on a steady upward trajectory, but since NIL the program is sadly headed in the wrong direction.
I'm not saying I'm excited. I'm just saying I think we'll be like 8-12 again.

really? who is putting up 30 points or 25 points or 20 points...who is the go to guy driving to the hoop when we need it that the defenses have trouble stopping...by gosh its Francis
You're missing my point. The offense will almost certainly be worse but the defense will almost certainly be better. We don't need to be good or ever mediocre on offense to be mediocre overall, we just need to get back to good defense which is something Pike has a great track record with.
 
Nebraska was a bubble school that finished 7-13 and missed the Big 10 tourney but look good in the Crown...and now we are projected to do better than they did?
 
It's not meaningless in predicting what defense will be like. Yes, if we are 300th on offense again we will be terrible. I don't think we will be 300th on offense.
What makes you think we won’t be 300th? What metrics of the incoming kids shows this? I hope not 300th but 200-250 could be in play. Also that fifth ranked d, how much was it because Cliff was a near elite rim protector and Wolf, Hyatt, Simpson and even Oskar had multiple years in Pikes defensive system. I hope I’m wrong but I can’t see how we make the big ten tourney. Maybe we lose games closer than predicted, so in that respect maybe it’s not that bad. Competitive if you well, but see closer to 10 wins than 15.
 
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Some of you are in complete denial of this program right now. I would be happy if they were .500 next season.

Who? Can you name one guy on here who is saying we are dancing next year? That we have a top half of the B1G roster?

But if you say anything other than the "we suck!" posts like "The pessimism here is way overdone" you have guys coming in left and right how bad everything is.

The pessimism here is literally overdone. We haven't had one practice let alone one game. Underrecruited kids have won countless times in college hoops. Oh and Pike himself has won with underrecruited kids.

I don't know maybe try rooting for the kids who came here before just shi**ing on them every five seconds?
 
I think people are severely underestimating how bad the offense could be.

With 2 of the top scorers in the country, the team was only 44th last year and approx 11th in the Big Ten.

Forget 2023-2024.

Look at 2022-2023.
That team had Clif and Spencer - still ranked just 151.
Even with a top 10 defense they were a bubble/last team out.

Is this offense going to be better than Clif (14ppg), Spencer (14ppg), Hyatt, Mag, Caleb, Mulcahy, freshman Simpson?

 
Who? Can you name one guy on here who is saying we are dancing next year? That we have a top half of the B1G roster?

But if you say anything other than the "we suck!" posts like "The pessimism here is way overdone" you have guys coming in left and right how bad everything is.

The pessimism here is literally overdone. We haven't had one practice let alone one game. Underrecruited kids have won countless times in college hoops. Oh and Pike himself has won with underrecruited kids.

I don't know maybe try rooting for the kids who came here before just shi**ing on them every five seconds?
Pike had under recruited kids with multiple years in his system. That’s a big diffference. His d system is very solid with those players. That’s not this team.

I’m not shizzing on anyone. I hope they’re good and I’ll root for them. Metrics tell us a lot though and the odds aren’t in our favor for 8-12 in the bid ten. Plus there was no west coast teams in 23\24
 
Pike had under recruited kids with multiple years in his system. That’s a big diffference. His d system is very solid with those players. That’s not this team.

I’m not shizzing on anyone. I hope they’re good and I’ll root for them. Metrics tell us a lot though and the odds aren’t in our favor for 8-12 in the bid ten. Plus there was no west coast teams in 23\24

uhhhh...yes you have. own it. you are easily in the top 5 in numbers of posts crapping on every little thing to do with players/coaches/programs.

but to this point about multiple years. i agree with you. it will be an uphill battle this season. but sorry i'm not going to write the team off and mock them before they have had a chance to even practice together.
 
I think people are severely underestimating how bad the offense could be.

With 2 of the top scorers in the country, the team was only 44th last year and approx 11th in the Big Ten.

Forget 2023-2024.

Look at 2022-2023.
That team had Clif and Spencer - still ranked just 151.
Even with a top 10 defense they were a bubble/last team out.

Is this offense going to be better than Clif (14ppg), Spencer (14ppg), Hyatt, Mag, Caleb, Mulcahy, freshman Simpson?

Well ... the 2022-23 team was not very good offensively. Cliff and Spencer averaged 13 ppg each, not 14 ppg. Sure, that is not that much of a difference - but it is a real difference. And the #3 scorer was McConnell, at 9 ppg - under 40% FG, 21% 3-point FG. Hyatt and Mulcahy averaged between 8 and 9 ppg - on not great overall shooting. Mag was GREAT rebounding and emerged out of nowhere with that (big jump in minutes from 12 mpg to 24 mpg), and a big leap upwards on defense - but when he got hurt RU went into a tailspin and probably should have made the NCAA anyway, but missed.. McConnell was the best defender in the Big 10 - and in fact in the country ... literally.

That team was 256th in scoring and 11 in defensive scoring (only gave up 61 ppg).

The season before, when RU made the NCAA, RU had Ron Harper Jr averaging almost 16 ppg, and 2 other players in double digit scoring - but still only averaged the same ppg as a team, and ranked 245th in scoring - its defense was not quite as good (66 ppg allowed - 99th). But was a better team - probably more consistent scoring, and timed the offense vs the defense better ... and no injuries to key players. Mag only played 12 mpg that year.

Sure, on PAPER, RU's roster looks ... weak, with holes. But games are not won on paper. And perhaps RU THIS coming year has players who visibly improve and take a leap. I am thinking Grant and J. Davis in particular ... Dortch a little bit (not expecting as much). And every year the last couple of years, portal players or new players surprise. Yeah, RU needs to get a little lucky. Like Zrno being a 13 ppg scorer, Buchanan translating to 10-11 ppg, Grant and Davis showing even bigger progress. But these ARE all possible, is all I am saying. The RU fan experience tells us RU players rarely make leaps in productivity - but I would say that when they do so, RU ends up with good teams. Harper doing that ... Mag making a relative leap from FR to SO year ... Even Hyatt making a leap from 2021-22 to 2022-23 ... Omoruyi from Fr to So to Jr years (a step back in his 4th year at RU - which hurt RU a lot).
 
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uhhhh...yes you have. own it. you are easily in the top 5 in numbers of posts crapping on every little thing to do with players/coaches/programs.

but to this point about multiple years. i agree with you. it will be an uphill battle this season. but sorry i'm not going to write the team off and mock them before they have had a chance to even practice together.
I give honest, realistic assessment and analysis. Sorry if I don’t wear rose colored glasses for every sport for every season.
 
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Because that was a historically bad result even for Pike?

I dunno, Torvik projects our offense at #105 and that doesn't include the Euro guy.
Good point on Torvik, I’m a little more optimistic than I was an hour ago. Thanks. I’d still like the players to have multiple years to learn Pikes defensive system though in order to improve on last year’s d.
 
I just listened to Aaron Breitman's latest podcast! "Listen, at this point, Ogbole's gonna play!"

Yes. RU Nation is ready for Ogbole. The mystique of Ogbole.

On the one hand, I believe every poster on this board believes maybe Ogbole will one day just turn it on and be an unstoppable force, at least defensively. The guy looks ready to take anybody in the back of an alley and do some damage! On the other hand, well, we've seen him play :(
 
I have to agree that the pessimism has been off the charts and a lot of the arguments for why this team is in for a rough season have a lot of merit. However, there is still a lot of reasons to be optimistic.

Defense and rebounding will definitely be key. Although Pikiel will not have years to develop players, Grant, Dortch, Nwuli, Fall are known for being quick, athletic and long, which certainly are attributes for good defenders and rebounders. If another team has a center that is abusing Fall physically we have Ogbole who can match other bigs physically.

Offensively we are going to miss more shots than we did with Harper. Therefore there will be more opportunities for offensive rebounds. We will need to take advantage of our length and athleticism to turn misses into put backs. We will also need to turn defense into offense.

We will likely lose almost all our road games. That has been pretty typical of Rutgers teams. However, the RAC is a pretty tough place to play and when an arena is loud and raucous Big Ten refs favor the home team to ridiculous levels. What is “good defense” at home is a foul on the road.

We also have two very different parts to the season with OOC and conference play. Even if a player like Tariq Francis is overmatched in conference play, his experience may still help us win OOC games until Lino Mark gets enough experience to play at the college level.

There are a lot of unknowns and Rutgers may be legitimately picked to finish last. However, it is a heck of a lot more fun to watch a team picked last overperform than have a team ranked at the beginning of the season underperform.

This team has a lot of potential and Grant, Dortch, Nwuli, Mark and Zmo are all really solid recruits. As for Fall, it is not uncommon for some bigs to take a while to adjust to the college game. It is not unreasonable to think that could happen this year.

My expectations for how we will do this year are much lower than at the beginning of last season. However, my expectations that this season will be more enjoyable to watch than last season turned out to be are much higher.
 
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I think some of you are not looking at the whole roster, even if the "starters" do an okay job scoring, look at the bench.

You're best two scorers off the bench are Davis and Nwuli basically. Nice pieces but neither is a bona fide weapon.
Ogbole and Dortch aren't offensive threats.
Lino Mark isn't going to play much behind Francis and Davis once non-conference games are over.

The other issue is going to be whether Fall and Ogbole can stay on the floor.

This is going to be a rough final season for Pike. The only way he stays is if by some miracle they are a very competitive team even if they finish just below .500. Hard to see this lineup not in the bottom 4 of the conference.
 
I think people are severely underestimating how bad the offense could be.

With 2 of the top scorers in the country, the team was only 44th last year and approx 11th in the Big Ten.

Forget 2023-2024.

Look at 2022-2023.
That team had Clif and Spencer - still ranked just 151.
Even with a top 10 defense they were a bubble/last team out.

Is this offense going to be better than Clif (14ppg), Spencer (14ppg), Hyatt, Mag, Caleb, Mulcahy, freshman Simpson?

We have no real idea until we see them play. Weren't Cliff and Spencer closer to 12 pts? I think Buchannon can do that. This will be a team like that one where a bunch of guys score 6-12 a night. It won't be a good offense by any stretch, but let's see final roster, assuming this isn't it.
 
The question will be, if we are below .500, will we be in a spot to make a change

That will be up to the new AD
Agreed. Not a lot of money to throw around so we'll see what happens.
 
Wow

Its amazing how its wash rinse repeat with unbridled optimism

The Bosnian pickup is very promising but there is little evidence to indicate the other pick ups are meaningful

Are you declaring Buchanan as good as Hyatt or Williams..I'm not fans of those 2 but do not see it

Its amazing to watch the ifs twisting to justify things

The high end is 8-12..I will agree with that. The low end is 2-18

Im giving 4 wins at home because 7 of them are tossups and 3 almost sure losses

This team has a tough road slate

Perhaps Penn State..who else?

I don’t understand why your so down on Buchanan? He suffered the type of ankle issue that doesn’t cast long term concern but isn’t easy to immediately bounce back from (compare to Dylan who I’ll argue was never quite the same when he returned either). As a true frosh - Buchanan dominated in one of the best mid-major leagues - 15.6 ppg / 6.6 rpg is no joke. There was a reason he was getting future draft potential mentions. We’re not talking about Hartford (A Williams), Eastern Michigan (Acuff), wherever PJ went, NJIT (Francis). In 2 seasons at Temple J Will didn’t break double digits. You can say - oh but Noah Fernandez… but again, aside from him being tiny, he also suffered a season ending injury requiring major surgery that he was rehabbing from. And guess what? He barely cracked the line up at UMass as a frosh. There are always questions when a player steps up a level, but in my opinion there’s at least reason to be optimistic that Buchanan will be solid.

I think people are severely underestimating how bad the offense could be.

With 2 of the top scorers in the country, the team was only 44th last year and approx 11th in the Big Ten.

Forget 2023-2024.

Look at 2022-2023.
That team had Clif and Spencer - still ranked just 151.
Even with a top 10 defense they were a bubble/last team out.

Is this offense going to be better than Clif (14ppg), Spencer (14ppg), Hyatt, Mag, Caleb, Mulcahy, freshman Simpson?

It’s really hard to be worse than 298th.
 
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