Two discrepancies sealed our fate tonight.

[RU MAN]

The foul discrepancy was appalling. I don't care what anyone says: 26-12? Really? Let that sink in. TWENTY-SIX to TWELVE!!!! Is our team a foul machine compared to Iowa? Really Napier? I have to bring up this !$!$# because it seems like every time we play and she is officiating something bad is going to happen to our team, going all the way back to that fiasco at Tennessee all those years ago.

Even with the $hitty officiating, we still could have won, had we hit a few more threes. We shot 4-25 or 16%. That's not going to get it done. We have been much better than that. Guarantes whom I love was 0-8 from 3-point land. We desperately need her to hit at least 2 of those. In fact, If we had shot like they did (29%) we would have won this game by 6 points.

Going back to the lopsided foul calls: they shot 23 fouls shots to our 12. You CANNOT tell me there isn't bias in the way officials officiate this game. They made 19 FT's out of 25 shot. We made 8 out of 12. They beat us by 6. They scored 7 more points at the FT line. Hmmmm.

In any case, I love this team and now let's start a new winning streak. I knew tonight was going to be a tough game away. I was just hoping we could overcome at least 6 against 5. I don't know one of the officials, but I do know that Dee Kantner is pretty fair.

 

[jor22]

First thing I did was check the foul shooting.

 

[ScarletDave]

The Big Ten conference (front office, officials, fans, etc) will always favor Iowa/Wisconsin over Rutgers. Always. Just naturally. We will always have to overcome that. It’s a culture thing.

 

[Abro1975]

Almost all the fouls called against RU were good calls. We have an attacking defense. Officiating was a none issue tonight. Ice cold 3 point shooting was the difference ( and allowing Gustafson easy baskets in first half).

 

[TRU2RU]

Almost all the fouls called against RU were good calls. We have an attacking defense. Officiating was a none issue tonight.

Don't know what game you were watching but the refs sucked this game, Rella got fouled on the layup attempt & many moving screens were called on RU but totally ignored when Iowa was doing it. Gustafson is allowed to be physical in setting up for her post up muscling defender out of way & never called.

 

[Abro1975]

Don't know what game you were watching but the refs sucked this game, Rella got fouled on the layup attempt & many moving screens were called on RU but totally ignored when Iowa was doing it. Gustafson is allowed to be physical in setting up for her post up muscling defender out of way & never called.

Try being objective and not a whining homer (not that there's anything wrong with it)

QUOTING RUTGERS COACH C. VIVIAN STRINGER"We looked like we had been involved in a fire. We were rushing a lot of shots and fouling when we didn't need to foul. We weren't as disciplined as I have seen us, so I'm disappointed. I didn't think we would play in such a frenzy."

https://hawkeyesports.com/news/2019...-wins-top-20-showdown-over-rutgers-72-66.aspx

 

[fbc1866]

Great response to the situation by CVS. You can't change the officials but she has something she can control and focus on this week. Time to move on to the team from the next state .

 

[RU MAN]

Almost all the fouls called against RU were good calls. We have an attacking defense. Officiating was a none issue tonight. Ice cold 3 point shooting was the difference ( and allowing Gustafson easy baskets in first half).

Sorry Abro, but the foul discrepancy IS a big deal. Yes, there were fouls we made because of our "attacking defense." But similar things happened on the Iowa side and nothing was called. As you read in my original post, I'm not entirely blaming our loss tonight on the foul discrepancy. We were woeful behind the three point line and missed several chippies up close. Still when one team (both ranked nearly the same) has 26 fouls called against them and the other team only has 12 fouls against them, there is something wrong with the way the game is officiated. BTW, Napier is notoriously biased against us going back over a decade. Dee Kantner is a very fair official as I mentioned in my opening post and I'm not familiar with the other one.

I will say this: if we had shot better than 16% from three point land, we would have won this game regardless.

 

[RU MAN]

Try being objective and not a whining homer (not that there's anything wrong with it)

QUOTING RUTGERS COACH C. VIVIAN STRINGER"We looked like we had been involved in a fire. We were rushing a lot of shots and fouling when we didn't need to foul. We weren't as disciplined as I have seen us, so I'm disappointed. I didn't think we would play in such a frenzy."

https://hawkeyesports.com/news/2019...-wins-top-20-showdown-over-rutgers-72-66.aspx

As to what C. Viv said? What do you want her to say at a press conference? How she really feels and gets fined by the B1G? Come on, much of what she said is political as much as we still didn't make our shots.

 

[RUJMM78]

Almost all the fouls called against RU were good calls. We have an attacking defense. Officiating was a none issue tonight. Ice cold 3 point shooting was the difference ( and allowing Gustafson easy baskets in first half).

I
agree that Rutgers has a long history of excessive fouling many of which are 20 feet from the basket.The cumulative effect is that the opponent is shooting foul shots early and throughout the game which becomes a offensive weapon.On defense Rutgers allowed Gustafson to score 32 points many of which were layups around the basket.

On offense the absence of Rutgers players making the 3 point shot was critical in a very close and evenly matched game.Another key factor was Carey scoring 10 points in the first quarter and only 7 more points for the rest of the game.Rutgers simply didn't get scoring from other players to make up the difference between winning and losing.

Rutgers was in the game from the beginning to the end.Iowa had the go to scorer that was the difference along with the foul shots.Playing on the road isn't easy especially against a ranked opponent.

 

[Abro1975]

As to what C. Viv said? What do you want her to say at a press conference? How she really feels and gets fined by the B1G? Come on, much of what she said is political as much as we still didn't make our shots.

You’re not being objective. Simply not.
When your defense attacks likes ours does, you will get steals, you will get turnovers, you will hold the other team below its scoring average.
And you will pick up fouls. Many fouls.

When C Viv is unhappy w the officials she is not shy about mentioning it. She didn’t mention it last night.

 

[RUChoppin]

You’re not being objective. Simply not.
When your defense attacks likes ours does, you will get steals, you will get turnovers, you will hold the other team below its scoring average.
And you will pick up fouls. Many fouls.

When C Viv is unhappy w the officials she is not shy about mentioning it. She didn’t mention it last night.

I posted this in the game thread, but we have been notoriously bad with foul discrepancy vs. Iowa in particular (+11.8) - much worse than against any other conference team (next closest is OSU at +7.1), especially at their place. On average, we have committed 3.6 more fouls than our opponents across 147 games since 2014-15.

 

[kaiaamt]

I tend to agree with Abro1975. With our style of aggressive defense, we tend to get called for a lot of fouls, and I do think a majority of them were legit calls last night. We would've had more opportunities to have calls made against Iowa had we driven more instead of settling for 20+ three-pointers. I was commenting to a friend while watching the game that I thought we were rushing at times, something that CVS mentioned afterwards. With all of that said, I was proud of how we battled and were in it til the end.

 

[RU MAN]

You’re not being objective. Simply not.
When your defense attacks likes ours does, you will get steals, you will get turnovers, you will hold the other team below its scoring average.
And you will pick up fouls. Many fouls.

When C Viv is unhappy w the officials she is not shy about mentioning it. She didn’t mention it last night.

Sorry, but I am being objective. I've been a coach and I understand when and when not to open my mouth. The same with C. Viv. She is not going to undress an official. I think she might have, if we hadn't been so woeful in our shooting.

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

Sorry, but I am being objective. I've been a coach and I understand when and when not to open my mouth. The same with C. Viv. She is not going to undress an official. I think she might have, if we hadn't been so woeful in our shooting.

Chiming in here. CVS tends to be like a soccer coach. Prep them and then let them play. I know she speaks up nicely on other b's stuff but I don't she is that outspoken on reffing screw jobs, especially in game.
I think she could be more vocal . dann. She's a HOF coach but doesn't get the respect she deserves.

Anyway that's her job not mine. If she thinks Napier screws us she hasn't said much about it. So if she's cool with it, what can we say?

We do have a fouling team, but not THAT freaking much.

Plus where's the plan to stop MG? There's got to be something to deny the ball, and as others pointed out..no pressing to leverage or skills at guard. Oh well.

Beat that freaking school from somewhere in pa.

 

[RU MAN]

Chiming in here. CVS tends to be like a soccer coach. Prep them and then let them play. I know she speaks up nicely on other b's stuff but I don't she is that outspoken on reffing screw jobs, especially in game.
I think she could be more vocal . dann. She's a HOF coach but doesn't get the respect she deserves.

Anyway that's her job not mine. If she thinks Napier screws us she hasn't said much about it. So if she's cool with it, what can we say?

We do have a fouling team, but not THAT freaking much.

Plus where's the plan to stop MG? There's got to be something to deny the ball, and as others pointed out..no pressing to leverage or skills at guard. Oh well.

Beat that freaking school from somewhere in pa.

'84 all really good points. I've also heard that C Viv is excellent at game preparation, but once she has her plan in place she doesn't like to deviate that much from it. I would like to see her utilize the 55 a lot more than she has shown. So far in B1G play I don't know how often she uses it, because living out here in SoCal I don't get a lot of games on the B1G network and I don't want to pay even more for B1G Plus.

If you have watched the majority of the games, does she employ the 55?

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

'84 all really good points. I've also heard that C Viv is excellent at game preparation, but once she has her plan in place she doesn't like to deviate that much from it. I would like to see her utilize the 55 a lot more than she has shown. So far in B1G play I don't know how often she uses it, because living out here in SoCal I don't get a lot of games on the B1G network and I don't want to pay even more for B1G Plus.

If you have watched the majority of the games, does she employ the 55?

I can't testify cept for a couple games. I thought she was throwing out there late game early season but I recall hearing comments (I think) she didn't last game (msu) even when it was close end game or last night.

Others can share better. For me it is perplexing cause its like "beast mode"...in a complimentary way people. It rattles the other teams, creates easy TO baskets when the team is struggling from the outside, and just changes tempo, urgency like going no huddle in football.

 

[RU MAN]

I can't testify cept for a couple games. I thought she was throwing out there late game early season but I recall hearing comments (I think) she didn't last game (msu) even when it was close end game or last night.

Others can share better. For me it is perplexing cause its like "beast mode"...in a complimentary way people. It rattles the other teams, creates easy TO baskets when the team is struggling from the outside, and just changes tempo, urgency like going no huddle in football.

Thanks. I completely agree. She doesn't need to employ it on every trip, but just enough to rattle the other team and get them out of their rhythm.

 

[RUClassof67]

I can't testify cept for a couple games. I thought she was throwing out there late game early season but I recall hearing comments (I think) she didn't last game (msu) even when it was close end game or last night.

Others can share better. For me it is perplexing cause its like "beast mode"...in a complimentary way people. It rattles the other teams, creates easy TO baskets when the team is struggling from the outside, and just changes tempo, urgency like going no huddle in football.

We’ve seen the 55 very infrequently if at all this year. CVS said early in the season that she hadn’t had much of an opportunity to work on it due to the number of injuries. My guess is that they have been working on it with everyone healthy and that we will see the team break it out late in the season to get ready for the B1G and NCAA Tournaments.

 

[bac2therac]

You’re not being objective. Simply not.
When your defense attacks likes ours does, you will get steals, you will get turnovers, you will hold the other team below its scoring average.
And you will pick up fouls. Many fouls.

When C Viv is unhappy w the officials she is not shy about mentioning it. She didn’t mention it last night.

agree.....the RU offense in the last 2 minutes was not calm on the 2 crucial possessions but even earlier than that...just dumb turnovers and then dumb fouls on the other end.

 

[sammybb]

agree.....the RU offense in the last 2 minutes was not calm on the 2 crucial possessions but even earlier than that...just dumb turnovers and then dumb fouls on the other end.

In fact, CVS seemed to be irked at her team for fouling, not at the refs for calling fouls.

I think we can all agree the team did not play with the most composure against Iowa and they were STILL down but just 1 with 1:30 to go. Hopefully they take the lessons from this game so they seal the deal next time.

 

[RU MAN]

I realize we play a very tough and aggressive defense. When a team does that, yes, they will foul more. For me and anyone who has played, coached and followed BB for as long as I have, I know that that's a given. However, I have always complained at how BAD across the board women's officiating is. They miss obvious calls, anticipate fouls, they're out of position, will favor certain schools based on reputation, and most often miss fouls on a regular basis. One would think that C Viv and her reputation for tough defense, would have ALL OF THE OFFICIALS aware of the way we play and not punish us for our tough gritty style. If this were a regular blue-chip program on a regular basis, they would get away with fouling much, much more than we do.

Some on this board who come over from other boards are quick to jump on the fact that C Viv did not complain about the officiating after the game and instead brought up how at the end game we lost our composure and started fouling more. That was true. We did on both accounts. That still does not excuse the huge foul discrepancy throughout the game where Iowa essentially beat us on the line because they had so many more FT attempts. I've said it before and I'll say it again; women's BB officiating is atrocious, much worse than men's BB even though that can be pretty bad too.