and that shows improvement. Wow.
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UCONN's BB grad rate at 20%
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I don't care, 15 kids that make the school millions.
I would love to have a rockin RAC, with a great basketball team, I don't care if none of them graduate .
I would love to have a rockin RAC, with a great basketball team, I don't care if none of them graduate .
Looks like academics doesn't matter to you and college basketball should give up the student athlete part of college sports , if you had your way.
You're not alone thinking that way , I just feel academic achievement should be part of being a college athlete no matter what sport you play.
Meanwhile, we're at 100% for the past three years. I'll take that.
Who cares ? How many championships have they won ? I wouldn't care if Rutgers graduated 0.0%! Just win baby
I would care if we only graduated 0.0%. I want to see our players in all sports take advantage of the opportunity they have and earn a degree. The exception would be those who are talented enough that they go pro before they have time to graduate.
Dd you graduate from college?
Maybe you're a good guy and really believe this , but the fact of the matter is these guys are here to play sports and win games . If they want to take advantage of Rutgers great academic opportunities that's great . I hope for their sake they do because they probably aren't going pro in sports . But I really don't care what they do academically, or not do academically . I am buying tickets , donating , tailgating etc for sports . I am not going to show up to see a kid read his expository writing paper . That's just the way it is
Zappaa apparently has no problem with kids being used to make money for others.
Why do you ask?
I don't care about graduation rates, there will be some kids that take advantage and some that don't, if they stay eligible it means their students , I don't give a rats ass if they graduate, if they do congratulations.
You want state pride, full arenas and a boat load of friends of the program....do like UCONN
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Would you care if we had players that were genuinely bad people, constantly getting into trouble with the law, as long as they won? Should Flood have kept Boggs, Barnwell, and the rest on the team if they are not sent to prison?
What kind of law problems are they getting into ? Some minor misdemeanors or serious offenses ?
And no it was time for flood to cut bait with those guys .
STUDENT-athletes in FB and BB are a joke. Might as well call it minor league - athletes and pay them with no schooling requirement. It's a farce.
I am just asking how far you take it. You said you don't care if the players graduate as long as they win. I wonder if you care if they are criminals as long as they win.
Going from not graduating to being criminals? That's a bit of a stretch. Maybe they leave early for the pro's.
Uconn women had a 100% graduation rate AND win national championships. I would take that for a happy medium!
Remember folks, College sports are supposed to be different than pro sports teams, but we all know that some schools bend the student athlete designation more than other schools do.
So if you don't think academics should be a big part of College Sports programs, maybe you think those student/athletes should drop the student part and stop going to class and be treated like the pro players are.
I prefer to think academics should be stressed to the players and part of their ability to be on the team.
Also those schools that don't make an effort to do their best to make sure their players get a degree
be punished for that with loss of scholarships and post season play ruled out until they have a decent graduation rate and keep their APR above the NCAA's minimum rate.
People might want to see their school win without academics being a part of a player's eligibility,
I say without that you are not rooting for a school, but a pro team.
Maybe in order for High Schools to field better teams they can drop passing grades as a qualification to be on it and let anyone enrolled in the school play if they have the talent .
After their HS years are over they can go to the college of their choice because academics don't matter.
Maybe Colleges can draft kids that don't graduate HS and only kids that do have a choice where they can commit to.
So if you don't think academics should be a big part of College Sports programs, maybe you think those student/athletes should drop the student part and stop going to class and be treated like the pro players are.
I prefer to think academics should be stressed to the players and part of their ability to be on the team.
Also those schools that don't make an effort to do their best to make sure their players get a degree
be punished for that with loss of scholarships and post season play ruled out until they have a decent graduation rate and keep their APR above the NCAA's minimum rate.
People might want to see their school win without academics being a part of a player's eligibility,
I say without that you are not rooting for a school, but a pro team.
Maybe in order for High Schools to field better teams they can drop passing grades as a qualification to be on it and let anyone enrolled in the school play if they have the talent .
After their HS years are over they can go to the college of their choice because academics don't matter.
Maybe Colleges can draft kids that don't graduate HS and only kids that do have a choice where they can commit to.
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They're talking GSR grad rate, not FGR grad rate. GSR doesn't count transfers out. If you look at FGR, UConn's grad rate for the past three cohort years fluctuates between 0% and 6%.
If you really believe this, why do you root for a college team. Why don't you just buy tickets for the Giants, Jets, or Eagles?
They don't have to stay academically eligible, college kids do.
If Carroo was eligible to play by the skin of his teeth, but isn't on a timetable to graduate in 4 years It matters not to me.
Did you really care if everyone in the Chemistry 101 lecture in Hickman graduated? How about those kids in CompSci lecture who drop out to join a startup...does that bother you that they didn't graduate? How about the perpetual students/super duper seniors? Is it a good thing they putzed around and took 8 years to get a 4 year degree?
To stay eligible, you need to be on a timetable to graduate. UConn ended up with a post-season ban and loss of scholarships because their kids did not stay on track to graduate (and the current grad rates is a result of their failure to stay on track).
After football season ends a lot of those kids quit school and enter speed and strength development programs.
Bottom line, I'll take strong football and basketball programs with a huge following and thousands of high rollers donating to their suddenly successful state university any day over trying to be Stanford.
Not saying we're even remotely trying to be Stanford, my only point is winning is far more important to me than academics
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Isn't graduating within 4 years in general around 50%? I don't really understand why some of you would care if the players graduated. I didn't care if my classmates graduated. And no one gets excited when a recruit enrolls early because they might be able to get that degree quicker. Fans are excited because the player might be playing football earlier.
>" I don't really understand why some of you would care if the players graduated. "<
Could be having pride in your school and how the athletics going there are more like students
trying to get an education than a pro team not concerned about anything but winning.
Know that sounds naive and probably is, but it does make following Rutgers feel better than a pro team that is filled with mercenaries .
Yes players leave early, some do the minimum to remain eligible while they are on the team
and once their senior season is over leave without a second thought about graduating.
But it's nice to see the ones graduate and have you feel Rutgers cares about its players future.
Even if that's not a fact, it's better than thinking your school will win at all costs and doesn't care about the players on the team, just cares if they can help them win.
To me there is more involved in rooting for a college team than a pro one, but that's just me being naive and not looking at college sports like a realist , where winning means more than
players earning their degree.
Zap, don't you work with underprivileged teens? Why is this different? Are college players commodities to you, good while they have eligibility and can help a school win, then disposable? I'm surprised.
You did not read my earlier post in this thread where I said I would be fine if our players did not graduate because they were going pro early. If they are talented enough to be drafted early, go ahead.
I am not accusing anyone of being a criminal. I am asking about the spectrum of possibilities. Some have said they don't care if anyone graduates as long as they win. I wonder if those posters would also be fine with a team of criminal behavior as long as it came with wins. Where is the line?
Zap, kids who are skipping classes after the end of FB season aren't going to remain eligible.
In order to remain eligible you need to continually take classes and make progress toward your degree. To remain eligible, you need to successfully complete 40% of the coursework required for your degree by the end of your second year, 60% by the end of your third year, and 80% by the end of your fourth year. To count as a graduate in the graduation statistics, you must complete 100% to graduate by the end of your sixth year.
he's not saying they are commodities or are they disposable. He is saying its up to each individual kid to graduate and if they decide getting a free education is not important enough to them then its on them. I agree 100%. While I would like each and every athlete to graduate, its really no different than any other kid who starts college and doesn't graduate in 4 years. I would guess that the graduation rates among athletes is higher than the general student population.
Its called personal responsibility. Football and basketball players especially get a lot of support academically, the only reason they don't graduate is because its not important to them.
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