Was Politi's latest artcle about Delaney and donations discussed?
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Being haunted by the "RU Screw"? C'mon. If that's the case, you've led a pretty charmed life, professionally speaking. I mean encountering and overcoming adversity is SOP in any professional/career setting. Folks harboring that animosity just need to move on. Contribute/donate what your circumstances allow. But participate. It'll help you move on, and the university will be better for it.
A perfectly acceptable response ... just don't ask me for any money.
PARAPHRASE: We made your life miserable for a couple years. Now you should give us money to help you get over it.
I'd rather burn it. This school has been around for 256 years and still hasn't learned it's in the service industry and works for tips.
I only went to Rutgers. My friends were great. But logistically it was a pain in the ass. Everyone talked about the ru screw. So if everyone tells you that something is the truth there is a greater likelihood that you will view your experience in that light. It would be hard to believe that students of other large universities don’t experience similar bureaucratic experiences but here we complain as a rite of passage.
I mean it’s true . I get your point about building bridges but there are many posters here discouraging NIL . Including many prolific and well respected posters. Right ?
Upper middle class don’t even think about Rutgers. It’s not a state school thing, it’s a Rutgers thing. They’ll apply to random big ten schools like Indiana, Maryland and Wisconsin, but won’t give RU a 2nd thought. Our reputation is horrific amongst those with money. Our student body is full of working middle class, first generation students. Very few students born on 3rd base or even 2nd base types.
Add to that a decentralized environment (bus system), crappy football and bureaucracy and you have a poorly funded school.
Add to that a decentralized environment (bus system), crappy football and bureaucracy and you have a poorly funded school.
Nobody is discouraging anything. We are all adults, right? We can make our own choices and voice our opinions on topics. I respect those that have paid into the NIL and "buy into" the system. I also respect those that have questions and have questioned the NIL system as it exists now and how it is working and how it might be improved. Such questions and questioning is not discouraging anything. Perhaps through questions, answers an explanation, more will get on board. Or may will not get on board. Is free discussion allowed, or do we have to tow some party line?
Are these your opinions, or do you have data?
Our first kid gladly went to RU Honors College on a generous scholarship. While the experience was not perfect (what one is?), the overall experience was a good one. Lots of upper middle class peers in Honors College that were accepted into "more prestigious schools." Sorry, sounds like you are spitballing here without any data to show the work?
After thousands of articles written by Politi with the sole purpose of tearing down Rutgers, he decides to do another hit piece on Rutgers pointing out that that people aren't supporting Rutgers. Sound about right.
Here's Politi's attitude towards Rutgers: Hey New Jersey, Rutgers sucks and you should call for Rutgers to drop all sports. Oh, by the way, why aren't you supporting Rutgers sports?"
I don't subscribe to the Star Liar, but it comes up on my feed in Facebook, so I saw the article there. Here's what I haven't seen in the past year:
men's lacrosse makes final four
men's soccer Big Ten champions
3 All Americans in wrestling
basketball beats the #1 team in the country
field hockey wins the Big Ten tournament
women's soccer Big ten champions
Rutgers finishes 38th in the division 1 Director's Cup
Here's Politi's attitude towards Rutgers: Hey New Jersey, Rutgers sucks and you should call for Rutgers to drop all sports. Oh, by the way, why aren't you supporting Rutgers sports?"
I don't subscribe to the Star Liar, but it comes up on my feed in Facebook, so I saw the article there. Here's what I haven't seen in the past year:
men's lacrosse makes final four
men's soccer Big Ten champions
3 All Americans in wrestling
basketball beats the #1 team in the country
field hockey wins the Big Ten tournament
women's soccer Big ten champions
Rutgers finishes 38th in the division 1 Director's Cup
We are all adults , yes . There are many posters here complaining and discouraging NIL . One guy even basically said he will only do tailgates and go to games now because his wife likes it . This stuff is found in posts on this board so I am not making it up .
I find it hard to believe that our competing schools fanbases the BIG East have fans with similar mindsets.
Free discussion is certainly allowed
Agree and disagree. RU today is very diverse and a good part of that diversity are not giving money to sports or at all.
But people that are 50 or over, who are probably in their highest earning years ,were at RU when it was not diverse at all. Heck the state had to tell RU to build Livingston College to get diversity.
I have 3 friends from my days at RU. All of them are very wealthy. I know for a fact they had a great time at RU, we talk about it all the time. But they give nothing back. Two of them might come to one game a year and they do not have one article of RU clothing that I bust their chops about. They also never even thought of sending their kids to RU.
I don't know what RU could do to get more pride in our Alum and whatever they do it would be a decade long progression.
Had to edit and add this. The whole "RU Screw" thing is tired. Every large major university has issues and students having to deal with those issues that we call RU screw.
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I'm one who's not extremely pissed and understood the reasons for doing so. Right now RU as a whole is a very competitive university to get into and it's rating is very high. The merger of the different colleges has worked.
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Right now more NJ residents are applying to RU than ever before and more are sweating getting admitted than ever before-- the average SAT is over 1400 to get into the business school in New Brunswick. Kids from affluent towns start out saying it's a safety school but change that dumb attitude when they realize how many kids are applying and actually getting into the business school.You may not believe it but based on my experience you'd get into Penn State easier than RU.
I didn't have any issue with it and neither did a sibling of mine, both RC graduates from the early and late 90s. Maybe a little sense of loss but mostly indifferent to it.
And by the way businesses love RU business school graduates. My firm has had immense success with them and they are among it's " stars". Also you're likely to get into graduate schools/med/ law if you have a degree from RU. Personally the attitude of some NJ parents about sending their kids out of state to similar schools and spend almost 2 times the cost ,to me, is misguided unless it's an ivy or you've got money to burn. Strapping your kids with student loans and the like makes no sense when there is a great choice not to do so.
I don't know if that's true for all. My wife is RC and many friends are also. I haven't heard this level of negativity from them. They may reminisce about the distinction between schools but it doesn't prevent them from supporting the current structure. Maybe it's because we are further away from New Brunswick than many alums.
Man, you need to move on then.A perfectly acceptable response ... just don't ask me for any money.
PARAPHRASE: We made your life miserable for a couple years. Now you should give us money to help you get over it.
I'd rather burn it. This school has been around for 256 years and still hasn't learned it's in the service industry and works for tips.
Agreed. May have been bumpy at first. But RU is a much stronger institution and comprehensive University than we I attended.
Absolutely correct. Both of our kids applied with nearly perfect SATs. One attended the Honors College and graduated with a fantastic academic experience. The administrative side had a bunch of speed bumps and red tape, but overall, we were very pleased with the Rutgers experience. The computer science and math departments are top notch. Penn State--bwa ha, ha, ha, ha. Never!!!!
Some people in NJ and RU alums seem to want to find or invent ways to be angry at NJ and their alma mater. It's kinda weird. Rutgers does have a way of Rutgersing, but I accept is as part of the bureaucracy of a large state-run institution.
Yes! The RU Road to Wall Street program is a huge success. Run by, guess who? Proud alums!! They do exist, but they don't spend their time on message boards complaining about stuff.
Doubt it. If they were they'd be donating.
Seriously, and my father was a consultant in the field, there is very little correlation between politics and significant charitable giving.
Weird question. My reaction:
Working overtime to be woke. Dead end on this one.
Giving to charity, volunteering, doing good--politics or party NEVER enters into my mind. But then again, unless others bring it up, those things rarely enter my mind on a range of topics that should be apolitical. Common ground - look for it, live in it. Forget the rest.
Apparently he hasn't gotten over trying to walk onto the football team and Shea not giving him the time of day I guess.
The "Politi hates Rutgers" argument is just a lazy excuse for not arguing against many of the valid points he makes about RU athletics. Other than Bob Mulcahy, I really haven't been impressed by any of our most recent athletic directors. Hermann was totally clueless. Pernetti was a good cheerleader but had nowhere near the knowledge or experience to succeed as AD of a big-time program. As for Hobbs, he at least seems competent but there's still something missing in terms of having a bold vision and thinking big. And let's be honest, the athletic department still struggles at basic tasks like smoothly running the ticket and parking system. Not to mention those fake football "sellouts."
Huh? I was in one of the last Rutgers College classes and I can tell you other than to gossip that someone secretly graduated from Livingston and not RC this never comes up.
The average SAT at RU today is 1370 and the last average for RC would have been in the 1200s
Although with the changes in SAT scoring over the years that would have around 1300 these days
RU is 1/3 first generation college students
Rutgers-New Brunswick Celebrates First-Generation Students
I would bet that is by far the highest in the B1G. I cannot find the article at the moment, but the NYT did a piece on first generation students (I was one) and mentioned how RU is among the strongest in terms of population size and graduating them to high salaries.
RU is popular with upper middle class students for sure. But it has never popular (and may never be) with the upper class.
I think rich kids in say, Alabama, would still want to go to Alabama or Auburn. But I don't think rich kids in NJ much want to go to RU- and I think that's probably true throughout the Northeast (thus UMD being in our boat).
And I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily but it does impact giving.
It's only now that RU alums who graduated during the good football years are hitting their stride in earnings. On the bright side, I think most of us had and have a really positive image of RU. One of the reasons things are getting better.
The average SAT at the Cult is lower than RU. They are 20 spots behind us in UNSWR.
They are the safety school. Not RU. That's just the fact of the matter.
That's a mixed bag I think. They dropped analogies but added some harder math like Pre Calc.
Even if that was a hard number the overall shift is there. I was one of the last RC classes and I believe the SAT average was like 1230 or 1240.
And remember, now the business school requires kids to apply from HS and the average is over 1370, as it is for engineering and pharmacy.
Thanks for that. Data is gooder than opinions.RU is 1/3 first generation college students
Rutgers-New Brunswick Celebrates First-Generation Students
www.rutgers.edu
I would bet that is by far the highest in the B1G. I cannot find the article at the moment, but the NYT did a piece on first generation students (I was one) and mentioned how RU is among the strongest in terms of population size and graduating them to high salaries.
RU is popular with upper middle class students for sure. But it has never popular (and may never be) with the upper class.
I think rich kids in say, Alabama, would still want to go to Alabama or Auburn. But I don't think rich kids in NJ much want to go to RU- and I think that's probably true throughout the Northeast (thus UMD being in our boat).
And I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily but it does impact giving.
It's only now that RU alums who graduated during the good football years are hitting their stride in earnings. On the bright side, I think most of us had and have a really positive image of RU. One of the reasons things are getting better.
Grew up lower/middle (more lower than middle) class, first generation college student too.
I don't know or care where we are now, maybe upper (whatever that is), but in my mind we still spend like lower middle class on most stuff, which has afforded us many opportunities to have some good things.
IMO, Northeast people care more about flash and status than people in other parts of the country.
We give back a lot to dear old RU in both athletics and on the academic side. It has provided us a lot, including a first rate education for our oldest kid at a fraction of a single year of tuition at an Ivy/status school. Job opportunities and other opportunities galore await. Does not get any better than that. And we are proud to say our kid graduated RU like us. Whenever someone brings up a status school as a put down to RU, I usually reply that we are $300,000 richer and much happier with our choice.
In this thread someone said business's love RU. This is very true from the stories I hear. Good friends sister ( IU Grad ) is the head of HR for one of the top 3 active wear, sneaker companies. She has told me point blank they love hiring RU Biz School grads. She said they are ready to work and do not need any hand holding. My daughter ( RBS) is an IT Director for the largest PR firm in the world. They say the same thing. Some kids come out of school not knowing what it is work hard and not get pampered, not RU grads.
I told this story a few years ago it is pretty funny. My son ( RUSOE ) works for Lockheed Martin. They had a conference call going with about 100 engineers. The leader of the call started off by saying RU just came out with a saliva based test for Covid. Someone on the call responded with "My father sent me to old Rutgers", my son said he jumped in with "And resolv'd that I should be a man" , the next person with " and so I settled down" ..... it went on for a few verses until the leader of the call broke in and was "what the hell? ".
Moral of the story, we are all over at some of the best companies in the world but for some reason we have a horrible rate of Alums giving back.
I told this story a few years ago it is pretty funny. My son ( RUSOE ) works for Lockheed Martin. They had a conference call going with about 100 engineers. The leader of the call started off by saying RU just came out with a saliva based test for Covid. Someone on the call responded with "My father sent me to old Rutgers", my son said he jumped in with "And resolv'd that I should be a man" , the next person with " and so I settled down" ..... it went on for a few verses until the leader of the call broke in and was "what the hell? ".
Moral of the story, we are all over at some of the best companies in the world but for some reason we have a horrible rate of Alums giving back.
Just the opposite. I asked it because my suspicion (based on anecdotal evidence) is that there is a portion of conservatives who attended the school pre-2000 who do not like the uber-liberal trajectory the school has been on ever since Fran Lawrence mentioned The Bell Curve ... and that these conservative alumni do not feel a strong affiliation to the school (and do not donate). I call it the Bernie Marcus-effect.
Student tailgating at several of the B1G schools I've visited are frat based so I don't believe Rutgers future fans are affected any differently than at other schools. I'd venture to say that the environment at Rutgers pregame (tailgating lots and the Boardwalk) are second to none escept maybe some of the SEC schools.
Huh! Last I checked, this was done all by myself. No plagiarism here. Against my profession.
This made me laugh!! I know you aren’t Steve but don’t think for a second they come up with everything themselves…
Post in thread 'My follow up to Politi and NIL'
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/my-follow-up-to-politi-and-nil.248739/post-5920027
Post in thread 'My follow up to Politi and NIL'
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/my-follow-up-to-politi-and-nil.248739/post-5920244
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Two counters:
1. Yes our tailgate scene is top notch and one of the best in the country. But the students are not the ones who partake in that , or very very few I should say.
2. Yes other schools may also have frats host parties but RU NB is unique where the party action is on a different campus. A bus ride away. Believe me. Very few of those students make the bus ride , even in the most ideal of conditions.
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