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That’s fine, then why not enforce the laws equally? Cops should be creeping into tailgates in all lots asking for ID’s by your logic . Stop the discrimination in the blue lot.


I've beaten the horse to deaf about the students and the Alley. Simply no need to be aggressively targeting underage drinking. simply police the lots and stop drunk and disorderly behavior. My 20 year old neighbor drinking a beer in a red cup with her parents and relatives should not be id'd. It's certainly not worthy of a wasted day in court and a $1000 fine. The students have figured it out.....they simply don't go. It's not worth the $1,000 ticket. RU is loosing a generation of fans. Much easier to create a fan while they're on campus than to attract them back once they're gone.

I was at Maryland last week and saw 2 police cars in the UM lots. We walked the entire campus and hit the RV lot, the Infinity Center lot, lot 1, around stadium and only saw those 2 police cars. No cops on quads, not cops walking the lots. I'm told they have a "greek lot" ( not for Homecoming last week). UM uses an honor system regarding underage drinking since their students are adults, like ours. If over 21, can bring a 12 pack of beer into lot. No glass-No hard alcohol-no drugs. Wristbands distributed via greek orgs. Lot is "policed" from afar. Any drunk/disorderly/unsafe behavior is removed, everyone else enjoys a college football saturday. Sounds just like the Alley. Give students a reason to enjoy the day with friends and form a bond with their University. $1,000 tickets build a great fan and donor base.......you know, those things we're sorely lacking.
 
That’s fine, then why not enforce the laws equally? Cops should be creeping into tailgates in all lots asking for ID’s by your logic . Stop the discrimination in the blue lot.

It's not discrimination it is proper policing and wise use of available resources. But the point initially was having to give up civil liberties and no one has answered that yet.
 
they are sniffing for bombs. I've seen them sweep through the RAC before a wrestling match, particularly on a day where there was a HS match in the morning and then RU in the afternoon and they are always up around the Scarlet Walk.
I don't know how others feel, but I'm 110% in support of having bomb-sniffing dogs working the stadium area for games.
 
Does anyone know what was going on in the 2nd row of the Blue Lot shortly before gametime? Looked like 3-4 RU cops came over to talk with an older guy at a tailgate down the row from us, then, a few minutes later, the MCSO's swarmed the are complete with 2 ATV's. Had about 12-13 officers in that area for 15-20 minutes. Looked like the MCSO's who joined the fun then started talking to individuals in that general area.
I know a guy who almost got tased in yellow after getting aggressive with some fire marshall.
Ah, but he was a prick and deserved it!
It's not discrimination it is proper policing and wise use of available resources. But the point initially was having to give up civil liberties and no one has answered that yet.
You are as tone deaf as the administration is.
 
Does anyone know what was going on in the 2nd row of the Blue Lot shortly before gametime? Looked like 3-4 RU cops came over to talk with an older guy at a tailgate down the row from us, then, a few minutes later, the MCSO's swarmed the are complete with 2 ATV's. Had about 12-13 officers in that area for 15-20 minutes. Looked like the MCSO's who joined the fun then started talking to individuals in that general area.

Ah, but he was a prick and deserved it!

You are as tone deaf as the administration is.

What are you even talking about? I know you like to babble but try to make some sense. As a Mod you are truly lacking!
 
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I've beaten the horse to deaf about the students and the Alley. Simply no need to be aggressively targeting underage drinking. simply police the lots and stop drunk and disorderly behavior. My 20 year old neighbor drinking a beer in a red cup with her parents and relatives should not be id'd. It's certainly not worthy of a wasted day in court and a $1000 fine. The students have figured it out.....they simply don't go. It's not worth the $1,000 ticket. RU is loosing a generation of fans. Much easier to create a fan while they're on campus than to attract them back once they're gone.

I was at Maryland last week and saw 2 police cars in the UM lots. We walked the entire campus and hit the RV lot, the Infinity Center lot, lot 1, around stadium and only saw those 2 police cars. No cops on quads, not cops walking the lots. I'm told they have a "greek lot" ( not for Homecoming last week). UM uses an honor system regarding underage drinking since their students are adults, like ours. If over 21, can bring a 12 pack of beer into lot. No glass-No hard alcohol-no drugs. Wristbands distributed via greek orgs. Lot is "policed" from afar. Any drunk/disorderly/unsafe behavior is removed, everyone else enjoys a college football saturday. Sounds just like the Alley. Give students a reason to enjoy the day with friends and form a bond with their University. $1,000 tickets build a great fan and donor base.......you know, those things we're sorely lacking.
agreed. The middlesex cops are a complete joke. They're dickheads too. I can remember the first game I was 21 how great it felt to show them my license as they held their ticket pad in their other hand ready to write me. Jerkoffs
 
I am sorry, but if you are not doing something illegal you will not be arrested. The legal age is 21, having kids hanging around your tailgating party under 21 with cups of beer is going to draw the attention of the police. Very simple solution, stop smoking the weed and serving underage kids alcohol. There you go, problem solved.
 
It’s pretty ridiculous the difference in police presence/tactics at RU compared to almost every other school I’ve been to for an away game (almost 15 over the past 10 years).

I’m pro-police and all for safety, anti-terrorism and anti-morons but there’s seriously something wrong with the amount of manpower and machinery brought in for Rutgers games and their aggressive tactics.

Also I’m sure the cost is not helping our “decificit”.
 
Is it that much harder to get into yellow vs blue? I never see cops busting people's balls in yellow
It’s just a matter of more money/donations. But saw MCSD overreach (IMO) a couple games ago. Same jerk.
 
It's not discrimination it is proper policing and wise use of available resources. But the point initially was having to give up civil liberties and no one has answered that yet.

Cops should only be up drunk and disorderly peoples asses. Leave everyone else alone. Let the kids have fun and enjoy the games like they do at other campuses. The Middlesex County Sheriffs officers should be removed from campus permanently.
 
Does anyone know what was going on in the 2nd row of the Blue Lot shortly before gametime? Looked like 3-4 RU cops came over to talk with an older guy at a tailgate down the row from us, then, a few minutes later, the MCSO's swarmed the are complete with 2 ATV's. Had about 12-13 officers in that area for 15-20 minutes. Looked like the MCSO's who joined the fun then started talking to individuals in that general area.

Ah, but he was a prick and deserved it!

You are as tone deaf as the administration is.


I heard of a blue lot incident for the Illinois game. A Rutgers sorority had a family day tailgate/brunch....you know with their parents. It was not a greek or frat tailgate, but a nice family affair with all the trimmings. Of course the MCSD raids the tailgate and starts id'g girls and writing tickets. Just so happens that several of the dads were police officers. I'm told a healthy argument ensued that lasted for a bit. I was told in the end tickets were not issued. Another example of selective and disparate enforcement. Why chase folks away, simply no need. The University is not "ALL IN"
 
They are there to put down the possibility of an armed insurrection. Judging by this board, there is a good chance of one. :gun:
 
What would happen if about 100 twenty-one year olds hung out in the blue lot drinking and when asked for ID stated “I don’t have my license on me.”

Would they be ticketed for not having their license? And if they were. What if they let the police write a ticket and waste 20 minutes on them, then said, “oh, here is my ID after all.”
 
maybe RU should cut back on the police prescence for the lightly attended games and transfer the head count for more people at the gates to scan tickets and check the clear pocket books.

The ATVs thru the lots is overzealous in appearance. We need more mall cops that are used to walking during the day and not car cops that need ATVs.

RU needs to bring some type of gameday experience to the Busch campus to get the kids to the stadium earlier..

I know my son misses the Alley and so does Hobbs.
 
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I heard of a blue lot incident for the Illinois game. A Rutgers sorority had a family day tailgate/brunch....you know with their parents. It was not a greek or frat tailgate, but a nice family affair with all the trimmings. Of course the MCSD raids the tailgate and starts id'g girls and writing tickets. Just so happens that several of the dads were police officers. I'm told a healthy argument ensued that lasted for a bit. I was told in the end tickets were not issued. Another example of selective and disparate enforcement. Why chase folks away, simply no need. The University is not "ALL IN"
Here's a shot of what was going on:

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6 cops & 2 toys for what, maybe 50 people?

Besides the fact these guys are just there to fill up their ticket books, it’s a complete waste of university resources. For adequate crowd control, the FBI recommends a police force of 3.5 officers per 1,000 population. We get about 15,000 in the stadium, which would equal 53 TOTAL police needed. Even at full capacity, federal guidelines are 162 officers. Rutgers contracts 350 per game.

188 excess cops at $40/hour x 7 home games means Rutgers is spending more on excessive force than they are on all the coaches combined except Ash & the coordinators.
 
6 cops & 2 toys for what, maybe 50 people?

Besides the fact these guys are just there to fill up their ticket books, it’s a complete waste of university resources. For adequate crowd control, the FBI recommends a police force of 3.5 officers per 1,000 population. We get about 15,000 in the stadium, which would equal 53 TOTAL police needed. Even at full capacity, federal guidelines are 162 officers. Rutgers contracts 350 per game.

188 excess cops at $40/hour x 7 home games means Rutgers is spending more on excessive force than they are on all the coaches combined except Ash & the coordinators.

They're getting a lot more than $40 an hour. Extra duty pay for muni cops around central Jersey is between $50 and $80 / hour.
 
Hopefully NJ legalizes weed before the end of the season. Would love to see these glorified mall cops walk by clouds of smoke and be powerless.

LOL. I highly doubt that NJ would legalize recreational weed without including a 21+ stipulation in it. So by smoking, you'd end up still attracting the Middlesex County jailguard blowhards to ID you, and if not of age you'll get two separate tickets if you happened to be drinking as well.
 
LOL. I highly doubt that NJ would legalize recreational weed without including a 21+ stipulation in it. So by smoking, you'd end up still attracting the Middlesex County jailguard blowhards to ID you, and if not of age you'll get two separate tickets if you happened to be drinking as well.

I suppose, but that combo has a certain allure with Michigan coming to town and our team as it is lol
 
What if...that was included the fire and smoke as the team comes out of the tunnel to start the game?
 
The good old “I don’t break the law, so I’m willing to give up my civil liberties to catch those who do” excuse.

Enjoy your police state! Until they need to invent crimes to squeeze money out of you. Especially now that their favorite revenue generator “smoking some dubious cigarettes” will no longer feed the prison industrial complex.
Will you not complain when the first mass shooting happens at a tailgate and there were no cops to be found? With another mass shooting and the only solutions being thrown out is more guns you just going to have to live with heavy handed security.
 
Will you not complain when the first mass shooting happens at a tailgate and there were no cops to be found? With another mass shooting and the only solutions being thrown out is more guns you just going to have to live with heavy handed security.

No number of cops at tailgate would prevent a mass shooting. The tactical environment is unmanageable.
 
Will you not complain when the first mass shooting happens at a tailgate and there were no cops to be found? With another mass shooting and the only solutions being thrown out is more guns you just going to have to live with heavy handed security.

None of us are complaining about armed police vigilantly patrolling the tailgate lots and the stadium, which is welcome and provides at least some measure of security. What we take issue with is a department of officers whose primary everyday responsibility is escorting jailed criminals to court, being stationed in a primary tailgating lot and proceeding to scope out anyone appearing under 30 holding a Solo cup to swarm, interrogate and hand out $1,000 tickets to. In fact, I'd argue that their singlehanded focus on said task and group tactics detracts from awareness of and searching out, you know, actual threats such as combative and otherwise malicious individuals/groups.

Rutgers University athletics is often harping upon tightening their budgetary belt, and would be wise to spend money on gameday security more efficiently..
 
None of us are complaining about armed police vigilantly patrolling the tailgate lots and the stadium, which is welcome and provides at least some measure of security. What we take issue with is a department of officers whose primary everyday responsibility is escorting jailed criminals to court, being stationed in a primary tailgating lot and proceeding to scope out anyone appearing under 30 holding a Solo cup to swarm, interrogate and hand out $1,000 tickets to. In fact, I'd argue that their singlehanded focus on said task and group tactics detracts from awareness of and searching out, you know, actual threats such as combative and otherwise malicious individuals/groups.

Rutgers University athletics is often harping upon tightening their budgetary belt, and would be wise to spend money on gameday security more efficiently..

One student dies from alcohol poisoning after an on-campus tailgate, and the lawsuit will claim not enough was done to prevent it.
 
I heard of a blue lot incident for the Illinois game. A Rutgers sorority had a family day tailgate/brunch....you know with their parents. It was not a greek or frat tailgate, but a nice family affair with all the trimmings. Of course the MCSD raids the tailgate and starts id'g girls and writing tickets. Just so happens that several of the dads were police officers. I'm told a healthy argument ensued that lasted for a bit. I was told in the end tickets were not issued. Another example of selective and disparate enforcement. Why chase folks away, simply no need. The University is not "ALL IN"
I was next to it, it did occur until someone (a supervisor at Piscataway PD) showed up and used common sense. The Sheriff jail guards then backed away. These guy(MCSO) do not deal with the general public on daily calls for service,Like Piscatway or New Brunswick pd,or even Rutgers PD,, and they lack some "people skills" to say it nicely.This is another Hobbs fail. You want to employ MCSO on game day,fine..assign them to outside the stadium proper, or inside the stadium,NOT in the lots.Pay attention PAT!
 
Will you not complain when the first mass shooting happens at a tailgate and there were no cops to be found? With another mass shooting and the only solutions being thrown out is more guns you just going to have to live with heavy handed security.
I was at the Thanksgiving parade in NY a couple of years ago. A guy near me poured some liqueur into his coffee. A cop, who saw him do that, told the guy not to drink it in front of him. The cop didn't arrest the guy, or write a ticket. The cop had more important things to pay attention to.

If the cops at tailgates are devoting all their efforts to underaged drinking, then they aren't doing the important stuff they need to do.
 
Are there cops wandering through the dorms 24/7?

The "potential liability" argument is a non-starter.

I was a preceptor on College Ave - part of our job was to attempt to prevent underage drinking. There was always a preceptor "on duty", part of whose responsibility was to "wander through" the building (do rounds). I've seen ambulances called for students who passed out due to overconsumption and "of age" residents charged with supplying alcohol to minors (thankfully no criminal charges on any of my rounds).

There were also security desks in the evenings who were supposed to keep underage students from bringing alcohol into the buildings - which idiots tried all too frequently (when they could have just brought it in earlier in the day with no security). Was paid to do that one year, too.

Those are measures the school takes to show that it's taking measures to prevent underage drinking in dorms. Tailgates are on campus events hosted by the university that allow alcohol (in that the university allows people to park many hours before the start of a game and allows alcohol in the lots) - if they weren't policed to stop underage drinking, there would be a ton of exposure to lawsuits.

Blue lot was famous for drunken students years back. Now it's growing infamous for being a police state. Those two things aren't unrelated.
 
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I was a preceptor on College Ave - part of our job was to attempt to prevent underage drinking. There were always a preceptor "on duty", part of whose responsibility was to "wander through" the building (do rounds). I've seen ambulances called for students who passed out due to overconsumption and "of age" residents charged with supplying alcohol to minors (thankfully no criminal charges on any of my rounds).

There were also security desks in the evenings who were supposed to keep underage students from bringing alcohol into the buildings - which idiots tried all too frequently (when they could have just brought it in earlier in the day with no security). Was paid to do that one year, too.

Those are measures the school takes to show that it's taking measures to prevent underage drinking in dorms. Tailgates are on campus events hosted by the university that allow alcohol (in that the university allows people to park many hours before the start of a game and allows alcohol in the lots) - if they weren't policed to stop underage drinking, there would be a ton of exposure to lawsuits.

Blue lot was famous for drunken students years back. Now it's growing infamous for being a police state. Those two things aren't unrelated.

Oh, please... I lost count of the number of preceptors / RAs I partied with. Banged a couple, too.

And tailgates are NOT "hosted by the university". Underage consumption of alcohol is prohibited by state law under all circumstances. All they have to do is back off and police the trouble spots and the entire problem is solved. There is zero reason to proactively engage in questionable search & seizure activities - and, yes, they definitely ARE questionable.
 
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They're getting a lot more than $40 an hour. Extra duty pay for muni cops around central Jersey is between $50 and $80 / hour.
Send them into a high crime area where they can make a difference. Probably half of them never experienced working the inner cities.
 
Oh, please... I lost count of the number of preceptors / RAs I partied with. Banged a couple, too.

And tailgates are NOT "hosted by the university". Underage consumption of alcohol is prohibited by state law under all circumstances. All they have to do is back off and police the trouble spots and the entire problem is solved. There is zero reason to proactively engage in questionable search & seizure activities - and, yes, they definitely ARE questionable.

You're conflating two things.

Yes, Rutgers takes measures to prevent underage drinking in its dorms. You can debate the effectiveness of those measures (or any given preceptor, security person, whatever), but they have to take the measures and provide training/etc.

Yes, Rutgers will take measures to prevent underage drinking in its lots. Again, you can debate the effectiveness of those measures, but they have to take them. The police aren't going to suddenly disappear from the lots on gamedays.

You want them to "police the trouble spots".... the blue lot *was* the trouble spot, that's why they're there. You're not seeing this sort of activity in the RAC lots, because the RAC lots never had the underage drinking problems that the blue lot did.

As to their tactics in each encounter? There's plenty to debate there, and I've heard enough stories to question the approach the police are taking each week. But they're not going to suddenly go away and leave the blue lot alone.
 
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