We should be so lucky to have GS
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You know watching Rutgers basketball tonight with what is undoubtedly going to be yet another horrendous squad ...
and knowing that in three and a half decades the only guy that did anything to get a fan excited over that time frame about a "revenue" sport get criticized.. Like we need better....
It is really just laughable if it weren't so pathetically sad.
and knowing that in three and a half decades the only guy that did anything to get a fan excited over that time frame about a "revenue" sport get criticized.. Like we need better....
It is really just laughable if it weren't so pathetically sad.
Agree. Look forward to the board complaints. Hopefully OSU beats us by less than WV, Pitt, and UCONN did.
Sh$t...do we have Cincy as an OOC opponent?
Schiano consistently put a top 20 ranked defense out there every year despite being only able to attract 2 star talent in the crummy collapse of the Big East.
Give him the resources/prestige of the B1G, and he'll thrive. He could never hire a good OC, and proof of that is the years he had to settle for Flood as co-OC.
Give him the resources/prestige of the B1G, and he'll thrive. He could never hire a good OC, and proof of that is the years he had to settle for Flood as co-OC.
I'm not gonna look it up but how any times between 2006 and his departure did we have top 20 defenses? 2 star talent? Are you really claiming the great Schiano lived off two star talent?
BTW pick a narrative..he wasn't here for the collapse of the Big East. And I'd that's true why was he recruiting 2 stars?
Alrighty, here you go:
Defense Team Opponent Points per game Ranking:
2011: 14th
2010: 68th (LeGrand injury year)
2009: 20th
2008: 22nd
2007: 39th
2006: 9th
Defense Team Opponent Yards per Game Ranking:
2011: 19th
2010: 71st (*Legrand injury year)
2009: 24th
2008: 47th
2007: 30th
2006: 6th
Sack Percentage:
2011: 19th
2010: 92nd (*LeGrand injury year)
2009: 6th
2008: 10th
2007: 4th
2006: 1st
Then there's a whole variety of sub stats that we were top 20 nearly every year, but the 3 above are the main ones. Compared to our last 3 years, in which most of our stats are in the 100th rank... it's almost hard to believe. 2012 was also obviously going to be a huge year for a Schiano-led defense.
On to the player level, yes I'm exaggerating quite a bit, but we somehow all forget that Schiano entered a conference that actually had some respect and over his tenure, it became demarcated as an awful/dead conference. This seriously hurt his ability to recruit, because every coach used it against him. Yet, even so, it's remarkable to see the type of defenses and NFL player talent he produced given that he couldn't reel in too many of those 4, 5 and even higher level 3 star guys. That was my point.
Likewise, you couldn't attract a top tier offensive coordinator to the Big East/AAC in that time period. You just couldn't.
One thing's certain though the guy is a unique defensive mind. There's really no argument there. Now the offense is another matter, but in a division with the likes of Meyer, Dantonio and Harbough... you need to be potentially better than each of them in one phase of the game. And given the recruits Schiano had to work with and the rankings he achieved (as well as NFL talent), he's there with the best of them.
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We would have won the big east outright 2012 with Schiano IMO. Schiano had that team developed and ready to win if they didn't have ass clown Kyle Flood leading them. His good record that year was little of his own doing.
Schiano gave Flood a full cupboard, but KF decides to empty it out and take a dump inside.
Schiano gave Flood a full cupboard, but KF decides to empty it out and take a dump inside.
Seeing those defensive ranks under GS makes me think that Schiano would be an excellent choice at this point. For those who say he is just a program builder, isn't that what we need again after Flood?
Stand corrected, didn't realize he did it three times. However, your couldn't lure good Oc's to the BE comment is asinine.
The more I think about in that 2012 season is exactly when Flood lost me. We all knew we had a good team and were likely among the favorites to win the conference. When Flood lost those final games - and we only needed one win to win the conference outright - that was a huge strike against him. The Big Ten announcement was strikes two and three IMO. RU should have sought a big time coach before ever seeing the field for a Big Ten season.
Does anyone really know if Schiano would even want to come back?
Greg will bring in top NJ talent now that we're in the B1G.
Im not sure on the 2012 team...great D and insure it ranked right up there with the 06-11 teams. The problem would have been the same with any coach- horrendous O and ST's.
My gut tells me we would have had the same record with Schiano but he more than likely would have won the bowl game.
My gut tells me we would have had the same record with Schiano but he more than likely would have won the bowl game.
You could have just posted this in the thread where the comment was made rather than start a whole new thread.
That aside, don't worry, if you don't feel this is correct than just don't pursue him. We would need him far more than he needs us! As I stated in the other thread "We have a Coach" who deserves our support as long as he is part of our program! When, an if, the time comes don't expect Coach Schiano to be filling out an application. We would be well advised to move quickly with our "pretty please" face on.
There isn't a coach out there that we have a realistic shot at that would create more buzz than GS. Sign me up, and bring back the helicopter.
Just don't let him rape the Olympic sports to do it.
Just don't let him rape the Olympic sports to do it.
GS is not my first choice at all, but damn when I hear names like Golden & Fleck rumored as real targets it makes GS look so much more enticing.
Having endured what we have defensively for the past 3 years....seeing those D stats makes me sad panda.
Having endured what we have defensively for the past 3 years....seeing those D stats makes me sad panda.
There wouldn't be the blow out since the defense would be a lot better. Michigan is competitive due to their defense this year.
LOL. Until he starts out 1-4 next year. Then the buzz is gone. Buzz is meaningless if the guy creating it is a .500 coach.
Pair GS with an OC like Fridge and we'll be able to take on Urban Meyer.
I will post this again, because it is still relevant:
You people clamoring for his return are like scorned lovers who will wait for that one person who you thought was the one, but dumped you right before prom. "Oh, he loves me. He'll be be back." Yet, he's moved on. Had other relationships. But in the back of your head, you're still swearing he'll be back. But it is time YOU MOVE ON. You had a great time together. It ended. But you have both grown and are in different places. Try someone new
You people clamoring for his return are like scorned lovers who will wait for that one person who you thought was the one, but dumped you right before prom. "Oh, he loves me. He'll be be back." Yet, he's moved on. Had other relationships. But in the back of your head, you're still swearing he'll be back. But it is time YOU MOVE ON. You had a great time together. It ended. But you have both grown and are in different places. Try someone new
I am 50/50 on Schiano, but will say this. IF he comes back, he needs to spend money on assistants, and loosen the reins. I fully expect him to hold his Assistant Coaches accountable, but he needs to hire those that know more about that aspect of the game than he does. The harder part, for him, will be that he needs to be comfortable with the fact that they DO know more about that part of the game.
My reservation rests in the fact that I'm not sure he has evolved. The same ego or passion that drives him to sell a vision to recruits and motivate a player works against him when dealing with his own staff. Just my opinion. But, MAJOR upgrade to where we are right now.
Remember this, we have a ton of RU players representing in the NFL because he ( again, my opinion) prepared them for the bigger stage. Certainly our most successful coach in advancing players to the Pros.
My reservation rests in the fact that I'm not sure he has evolved. The same ego or passion that drives him to sell a vision to recruits and motivate a player works against him when dealing with his own staff. Just my opinion. But, MAJOR upgrade to where we are right now.
Remember this, we have a ton of RU players representing in the NFL because he ( again, my opinion) prepared them for the bigger stage. Certainly our most successful coach in advancing players to the Pros.
My feeling is I'm not convinced it would be for the best, but we could do a lot worse. And I mean a LOT.
He has a lot of strengths but also a lot of limitations, what I find worrisome by the GS lovers here is that they appear to have completely turn a blind eye to those very real limitations. There is a reason why Rutgers never won a Conference title or even a co-title when the Big east was at its weakest. There is a reason why we never went to a major bowl game while he was here. There is a reason why we had such massive turnover rate of staff while he was here.
If he has fixed all of those things and he is truly a change man then I will be happy to have him back, if not it will be more of the same and we will never progress as a football program past beating Indiana.
If he has fixed all of those things and he is truly a change man then I will be happy to have him back, if not it will be more of the same and we will never progress as a football program past beating Indiana.
Love the GS....His persistence and vision to get the stadium expansion was one of the keys to the B1G invite, his relentless recruiting of quality HS talent despite being in a 2nd rate conference and his ability to put a lot those 3 star athletes in the NFL (system coaching) will make him very attractive to any recruit. He is most articulate, has been a head coach in the league and will come into their living room, look them in the eye and close the deal. He has been humbled but I would guarantee he is still relentless and driven to be the very best.
What coach can we reasonably get that you think will come in and go 5-0 next year?
Schiano would get us 6 wins at least and flip many recruits to us if given enough time.
Schiano with a good OC would be a Wisconsin or Iowa type team- 7-9 wins mixed in with some 10-11 and 5-6 win seasons. I would sign up for that in a heartbeat.
He would also end the scandals.
The Schiano haters do not get it. We need a strong hand back here. I don't think it's a coincidence that RU has lurched from scandal to scandal in his absence.
Schiano with a good OC would be a Wisconsin or Iowa type team- 7-9 wins mixed in with some 10-11 and 5-6 win seasons. I would sign up for that in a heartbeat.
He would also end the scandals.
The Schiano haters do not get it. We need a strong hand back here. I don't think it's a coincidence that RU has lurched from scandal to scandal in his absence.
Yay! Striving for 6 wins. Actually, your post may be dead on. Mostly 5-9 win seasons and he figures out how to keep the press focused on him and not the team.
He could never hire a good OC because they would come to RU to work with him; if he didn't micromanage and meddle he would be awesome (with top coordinators on staff), but nooooooo He has to get involved in everything, and he's not good on gameday
The micromanager thing is really overplayed on message boards. Almost all of the top coaches do the same stuff, and if you've actually met Schiano in a casual setting, you know he's a surprisingly down to earth kind of guy. There's a reason EVERY staff member wanted to go with him to Tampa. Sure, he has high expectations and expects discipline from his players... but once again, which top tier coaches don't? Meyer and Harbaugh are cut from the same cloth.
I'm not alone in thinking he couldn't attract a good OC in a crummy conference. He couldn't keep/pay McNulty, but your theory that OCs didn't want to work with him goes out the window, when McNulty wanted to work with Greg in Tampa.
And remember it was a big deal when Schiano finally got Cignetti in the fold in 2011. He only got 1 year with a capable OC, and he didn't have much of a QB at the time... but the offense actually did pretty well. It appears Cignetti didn't have much respect for Flood, so he bailed - and now he's OC for the St. Louis Rams.
In a casual setting Schiano was great. Have had this opportunity a few times and one of the reasons I defended him over the years while many did not(can almost bet that some loving him now we're blasting hm then).
What I learned outside of the casual or media or the very @stepford like quotes from players" was a man that built a house around the program that no one was let into. Some good and some bad.
In a casual setting, you will also find Coach Flood to be very engaging, don't go by the casual setting...
GS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Flud
I respectfully disagree, no coach would turn down a chance to go to an NFL team. Greg was amazingly organized. He also micromanaged / over reacted to things that were not relevant to the program (at Tampa, he went nuts on a coach b/c a few players ran out of their field area on a practice play, a Tampa player said, in an interview, that by the way coach was reacting and yelling "I'll have you fired", something horrific happened, and when the players saw what actually did happen, it was like "ok, we got a live one on our hands here"......
