It really bothers me that North Carolina has cheated for many many years and they are still able to play for the ACC Championship and will definitely be in the NCAA Tournament. How long does it take for the NCAA to finally set a punishment against these cheaters? If this was RU or one of many other teams the book would have been thrown at us a long time ago. I guess ESPN and the ACC are very happy about this. How many years does it take to build a case against NC? This is just wrong to the teams that follow the rules if they get away with this or just get a slap on the wrist. Having been a high school teacher and coach for 36 years I find this despicable.
What a joke this North Carolina thing is.
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You will know when they have completed the UNC investigation because Western Kentucky will get 3 years probation for what they did.
It takes as long as it takes. The NCAA has like a four person enforcement department and they don't have subpoena power so they need a strong combination of evidence and multiple credible witness who are willing to talk with them on the record.
Also they seem focused on Cliff Alexander now that they wrapped up Syracuse.
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The branding of college basketball is about coaches and a dozen programs.....UNC has BOTH and therefore will go without any real punishment, because it damages both the general public image of the sport and damages the historical perspective of everything that UNC being UNC means.....that's Jordan, Dean Smith, Worthy, 4 corners, rivalry with Duke, NC State, ACC titles and everything above and beyond.
The item associated with PJ Hairston a couple of years ago was more than enough to warrant a complete investigation.....has a car of a booster/season ticket holder, speeding, driving with weed and other stuff and got suspended for half the season, but no further investigation.
Cuse on the other hand had kids linked with Bernie Fine's spouse, and no show jobs where kids picked up 8K at a local Cuse YMCA.....that's not good either, but that's something that is essentially outside of Boeheim and the program.
UNC's items are internal to the integrity of the entire "workflow" of recruiting, passing through the system of student athletes that frankly never warranted admission in almost most of the cases and had professors internal to the school as corrupt or worse than anything any booster could do.
At the end of the day, as a sport fan, especially a college sports fan, you either are "all-in" and you look the other way, OR you see "behind the curtain", all of the warts and muddy aspects of the makings of the sport and understand that is essentially how it's always been done......we are just more aware and discovering it as we age and get smarter and understand these things.
The reality is that every thought about college sports (for me) is framed based on watching games when I was from age 8 to 12, prior to discovering "ESPN", there used to be games on NBC on Saturday at 4PM that featured Cuse vs St. Johns or Notre Dame vs UCLA or UNC vs NC State etc....then ESPN took it to another level....
Even NJN (New Jersey Network) showed Seton Hall games on either tape delay or live and all I can remember was Dan Calandrillo being announced during these games and how much of a shooter he was.....and how UCLA was this powerhouse because NBC's Don Criqui said so during every telecast......all of the same memories that create this lasting image also in college football's New Years Day bowl's, from Cotton, to Fiesta to of course, the Rose Bowl.
These are items I will always remember....and it's impossible to forget how different it was as a sports fan, but nothing is different than 30 to 40 years ago other than the corruption and cheating was never discussed and now the marketplace and information just moves faster than ever.
So I wouldn't worry specifically about Carolina, Cuse or the next story that will break about another school down the road.....it's what it is and unless you are part of the historic fabric of the last 20-30-40 years, it's going to be impossible to expect real discipline here.....
And before someone claims I'm being somewhat jaded, just watch ESPN's 30 for 30 on Christian Laetneer that is coming on tomorrow night after the NCAA annoucement of the teams at 9PM.....it again paints Duke and their program in a positive light, further enhancing their reputation as a "Gold Standard" and how Duke was Public Enemy Number #1.......meanwhile, Coach K and his 1000+ wins doesn't answer ONE QUESTION, about how his former player is accused of rape/sexual assault on at least 3 students at Duke and was kicked off the team last month.
It's as if Duke's #1 seed and Coach K 1000 wins is the story of their season, when in fact it's not.....I do know if that sexual assualt occurred at UNLV in the 90's under Tarkanian or at one of the schools trying to come up and make a name for themselves today, they'd shut that program down in less than a couple of weeks. There are layers to the discrimination vs some programs and the free pass they give others......
The item associated with PJ Hairston a couple of years ago was more than enough to warrant a complete investigation.....has a car of a booster/season ticket holder, speeding, driving with weed and other stuff and got suspended for half the season, but no further investigation.
Cuse on the other hand had kids linked with Bernie Fine's spouse, and no show jobs where kids picked up 8K at a local Cuse YMCA.....that's not good either, but that's something that is essentially outside of Boeheim and the program.
UNC's items are internal to the integrity of the entire "workflow" of recruiting, passing through the system of student athletes that frankly never warranted admission in almost most of the cases and had professors internal to the school as corrupt or worse than anything any booster could do.
At the end of the day, as a sport fan, especially a college sports fan, you either are "all-in" and you look the other way, OR you see "behind the curtain", all of the warts and muddy aspects of the makings of the sport and understand that is essentially how it's always been done......we are just more aware and discovering it as we age and get smarter and understand these things.
The reality is that every thought about college sports (for me) is framed based on watching games when I was from age 8 to 12, prior to discovering "ESPN", there used to be games on NBC on Saturday at 4PM that featured Cuse vs St. Johns or Notre Dame vs UCLA or UNC vs NC State etc....then ESPN took it to another level....
Even NJN (New Jersey Network) showed Seton Hall games on either tape delay or live and all I can remember was Dan Calandrillo being announced during these games and how much of a shooter he was.....and how UCLA was this powerhouse because NBC's Don Criqui said so during every telecast......all of the same memories that create this lasting image also in college football's New Years Day bowl's, from Cotton, to Fiesta to of course, the Rose Bowl.
These are items I will always remember....and it's impossible to forget how different it was as a sports fan, but nothing is different than 30 to 40 years ago other than the corruption and cheating was never discussed and now the marketplace and information just moves faster than ever.
So I wouldn't worry specifically about Carolina, Cuse or the next story that will break about another school down the road.....it's what it is and unless you are part of the historic fabric of the last 20-30-40 years, it's going to be impossible to expect real discipline here.....
And before someone claims I'm being somewhat jaded, just watch ESPN's 30 for 30 on Christian Laetneer that is coming on tomorrow night after the NCAA annoucement of the teams at 9PM.....it again paints Duke and their program in a positive light, further enhancing their reputation as a "Gold Standard" and how Duke was Public Enemy Number #1.......meanwhile, Coach K and his 1000+ wins doesn't answer ONE QUESTION, about how his former player is accused of rape/sexual assault on at least 3 students at Duke and was kicked off the team last month.
It's as if Duke's #1 seed and Coach K 1000 wins is the story of their season, when in fact it's not.....I do know if that sexual assualt occurred at UNLV in the 90's under Tarkanian or at one of the schools trying to come up and make a name for themselves today, they'd shut that program down in less than a couple of weeks. There are layers to the discrimination vs some programs and the free pass they give others......
Hawk, I think you really put things in perspective. You always say things & summarize so well. I am very impressed. Thanks for the insight.
There are plenty of jokes in the way the NCAA administers student athletics.Kentucky mens basketball should be at the top of the list where recruits rarely stay more than two years before joining the NBA.I would like to read a newspaper account about academics at such a school and how the players remain eligible. The silence is deafening by politicians in Kentucky because the program is so successful and the revenue generated is staggering.
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