What did you guys expect?

[NotInRHouse]

First, I'd like to welcome back all the posters who disappeared late in the Indiana game who have returned tonight...we missed you.
Second, This is NOT A PRO FLOOD or excuse thread.
Seriously though, what were you expecting? Since I asked, I'll tell you my goal was a two score game with 7 minutes to go in the 3rd.
As soon as JT was announced as the starter the route was on. PSU has a very good D and a 5 million dollar a year coach and they looked no better.
Tonight was Urban's 20th straight win. It's the 4th time he has won 20 in a row in his career. No other coach EVER has done that more than twice.
I know many of you guys think we should be duking it out with OSU and Meyer year two in the B1G and that's cute but it's silly. I'll add, we will probably never consistently compete with them and that's no a defeatist attitude.
Keep Flood...fire Flood...I don't care either way but I think many of you guys need to re check your expectation levels at this point.

What did we expect against..

Kent State
Pitt
Houston
Cincy
UConn
TTFP

The teams change, the results don't. That's what you won't acknowledge. We looked just as horrific last night as we did against the misfit toys.

Your deflections to Schiano are pathetic. He beat more winning teams in one season than Flood has his whole tenure.

 

[zappaa]

Time out after a 25 yard third down pass.
Third and two in four down territory, we go no backs and throw.
then punt...says it all

 

[suggakane]

You should probably go to bed...there were lots of people that weren't impressed with the Indiana win, they got shouted down, cussed out, and even had posts edited. There were posters that said this game would be a blow out, they were told that they weren't true fans and to find a new team to root for.

This is Flood's 4th year and we are getting worse results than we were getting in year one...THIS IS NOT PROGRESS.

This is the Big Ten year 2 against the Best team in the land with a 20 game winning streak....grow up

 

[DHajekRC84]

Not even close to the worst team in the B1G. OSU beat PSU just as bad last Saturday and will do it next week as well.

how can you possibly say that? The score of the PSU game was 21- 10 going into the 4th quarter and PSU rushed for 200 yards and had 315 yards Offense to OSUs 429.

Meyer took it easy on us..you don't think Jones wanted to throw and score another TD on that last drive when they ran it right up the middle? They ran the clock down on that last drive. Frankly I wanted them to score fast so Rettig could have more time to play.

But to answer your question. I expected our D to get shredded. They played better than expected.
I thought our offense would score 21. They sucked. Laviano looked terrible and the play calling was poor. We could have run on them last night and instead we let them pin their eyes back and just blow by our line. OF course we had to throw when it got bad but we do NOTHING creative to pass against the rush.

Then our two senior kickers got into the game. One setting the tone for the Keystone Cops early. The other late,

Army could very well be our last best chance for a w this year.

 

[RobotHunter]

First, I'd like to welcome back all the posters who disappeared late in the Indiana game who have returned tonight...we missed you.
Second, This is NOT A PRO FLOOD or excuse thread.
Seriously though, what were you expecting? Since I asked, I'll tell you my goal was a two score game with 7 minutes to go in the 3rd.
As soon as JT was announced as the starter the route was on. PSU has a very good D and a 5 million dollar a year coach and they looked no better.
Tonight was Urban's 20th straight win. It's the 4th time he has won 20 in a row in his career. No other coach EVER has done that more than twice.
I know many of you guys think we should be duking it out with OSU and Meyer year two in the B1G and that's cute but it's silly. I'll add, we will probably never consistently compete with them and that's no a defeatist attitude.
Keep Flood...fire Flood...I don't care either way but I think many of you guys need to re check your expectation levels at this point.

Is a somewhat competitive game too much to ask? Like what most teams have given Ohio St. this year. Is it too much to ask for our coach to have some balls and go for it on 4th and 2 from the Ohio St. 40 down just 7-0? Or for our coaching staff to use their imagination and come ups with some new stuff against the #1 team with nothing to lose? How about for our FG kicker tom actually make a FG from the 12 yard line? Too much??

 

[RU-AGK]

I expected the hottest EDM dance mix around.

Since only 25% of the stadium would know what that is and they all left at halftime I'm really not sure if I got what I expected at all.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Time out after a 25 yard first down pass.
Third and two in four down territory, we go no backs and throw.
then punt...says it all

exactly correct.

 

[Wutevah]

Honestly, Ohio State with Barrett is a completely different team with Cardale Jones, they're going to go on a roll after this.

 

[bac2therac]

Shack nails it

 

[RUTBAY]

Honestly, Ohio State with Barrett is a completely different team with Cardale Jones, they're going to go on a roll after this.

I didn't see him on the field against our offense.

 

[bac2therac]

Not even close to the worst team in the B1G. OSU beat PSU just as bad last Saturday and will do it next week as well.

with Maryland, Indiana, Illinois and Purdue, Rutgers is duking it out in the bottom 5. Now we may be the best of these but we shall see how we do against Maryland but they did show life against PSU while RU didn't have a pulse that game so I hope our fans aren't penciling that in as a win

 

[suggakane]

Are we the worst team in the B1G? Because it sure looked like it last night. I expected us to at least put up a Maryland type performance. I know it was Barret vs Jones but our offense was not playing against Barret. There is no way we should be looking toward our very last possession to stave off a shutout.

Expectations probably too high. I think OSU just played their best game against a 3-3 team with no depth in the secondary. Short of injuries, OSU is starting to peak and make their run.

 

[RURM85]

So the Indiana Hoosier FOOTBALL team can hang with Ohio State for 4 quarters...two years in a row actually...but we should be OK with not even showing a pulse in our own building. Got it.

Using Indiana's performance to compare us is a bad comparison. I attended the Indiana - OSU game in Bloomington and Ohio State was a different team 3 weeks ago. Jones played QB and had a terrible day. He struggled with his accuracy, could not run and turned the ball over multiple times. Ohio State is a different team with JT Barrett. Ask Penn State last week as they faced close to equal amounts of Jones and Barrett with different success levels (or lack thereof) against both QBs. Elliott is Elliott. He's a second half runner who dominates when his line wears down the defense. He torched Indiana for 3 huge runs in the second half, as well as, he torched us.

With Barrett at QB, I like Ohio State's chances to win the NC again. There's too much size, physicality and speed for other programs to match up with.

 

[RUTBAY]

Expectations probably too high. I think OSU just played their best game against a 3-3 team with no depth in the secondary. Short of injuries, OSU is starting to peak and make their run.

If OSU runs through the rest of their schedule with these types of performances then I will agree but until then I would expect that we would do better offensively against them than we did. Even a couple of successful drives would have chewed up more of the clock. As it was we just gave them the ball back time after time and that exposed our shallow depth on defense.

 

[BoogieKnight]

Using Indiana's performance to compare us is a bad comparison. I attended the Indiana - OSU game in Bloomington and Ohio State was a different team 3 weeks ago. Jones played QB and had a terrible day. He struggled with his accuracy, could not run and turned the ball over multiple times. Ohio State is a different team with JT Barrett. Ask Penn State last week as they faced close to equal amounts of Jones and Barrett with different success levels (or lack thereof) against both QBs. Elliott is Elliott. He's a second half runner who dominates when his line wears down the defense. He torched Indiana for 3 huge runs in the second half, as well as, he torched us.

With Barrett at QB, I like Ohio State's chances to win the NC again. There's too much size, physicality and speed for other programs to match up with.

I agree Barrett makes them better on O but what about the defense? It's the same exact team. Indiana, with a backup QB, moved the ball and answered Elliot's TD runs when they got the ball back.

Face it, we aren't a good team. No excuses, we just aren't.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Vkj

One more thing

Look at ohio state on the road the last three years (not neutral site games)

Most of the game has been competitive even though ohio state won

This was the biggest margin of victory for an Ohio state road win in three years...

 

[RUTBAY]

Using Indiana's performance to compare us is a bad comparison. I attended the Indiana - OSU game in Bloomington and Ohio State was a different team 3 weeks ago. Jones played QB and had a terrible day. He struggled with his accuracy, could not run and turned the ball over multiple times. Ohio State is a different team with JT Barrett. Ask Penn State last week as they faced close to equal amounts of Jones and Barrett with different success levels (or lack thereof) against both QBs. Elliott is Elliott. He's a second half runner who dominates when his line wears down the defense. He torched Indiana for 3 huge runs in the second half, as well as, he torched us.

With Barrett at QB, I like Ohio State's chances to win the NC again. There's too much size, physicality and speed for other programs to match up with.

Rutgers had an average length of possession of 17 yards if you take away the Rettig drive at the end of the game. IU on much shorter fields due to turnovers and ones that ended up in scores was about 24 yards per possession. That has nothing to do with Barret versus Jones.

We need something other than a pro-set offense until we are able to recruit better players. Our offensive philosophy against B1G teams doesn't match the talent we are putting out there right now, doing the same thing over and over hoping that something changes is pointless. When it comes to offense, hope is not a strategy.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Vkj

One more thing

Look at ohio state on the road the last three years (not neutral site games)

Most of the game has been competitive even though ohio state won

This was the biggest margin of victory for an Ohio state road win in three years...

Also the biggest margin for TTFP this year was our game.

 

[NotInRHouse]

So the Indiana Hoosier FOOTBALL team can hang with Ohio State for 4 quarters...two years in a row actually...but we should be OK with not even showing a pulse in our own building. Got it.

Now, now...see our fans have such crazy expectations.

Do what Northern Illinois did? Let's not get crazy here!!!

 

[RURM85]

I agree Barrett makes them better on O but what about the defense? It's the same exact team. Indiana, with a backup QB, moved the ball and answered Elliot's TD runs when they got the ball back.

Face it, we aren't a good team. No excuses, we just aren't.

The only difference between the Indiana offense and Rutgers offense against Ohio State is Zander's ability to run and he took 1 to the house on a 74 yard run to the outside. Redding had less success running against Ohio State's defense than James/Martin. Indiana attempted to run Redding over and over again up the middle without any success. Howard was a non-factor due to an early injury. The other difference was Indiana was playing with a short field on numerous occasions due to Jones turning the ball over. Rutgers never had a short field to play with. Zander looked no better throwing completed passes than Laviano and Sudfeld early in the game was also ineffective.

I'm not saying we're a good team. I'm saying you can't compare the Indiana performance to our performance and make a judgement on the state of our team. Also, Ohio State is the best team in the country whether you want to give them credit or solely blame everything on Rutgers poor performance.

 

[RUsSKii]

You expected us to put up 34 against the #1 team and defending NC ?Like OP said, time for some to recalibrate their expectations

Maybe not, but our offense managed 17 points against them last season with a polar gunslinging Gary Nova. Are you admitting that our offense has regressed with Laviano, and it took Rettig in garbage time to even put points on the board? That's unacceptable; their defense was not world-beating, nor has it looked like that this season.

Our young defense performed about as it should have against OSU's ridiculous talent, maybe would have been 56-7 if they didn't initially fumble.

The punt on 4th and 2 at the 40? Small-time. Missing that initial field goal? Unacceptable for a senior kicker, and sapped RU's energy and initial momentum, if there was any. And I'll add this one for a special poster in this thread: RU tried playing a majority of rock with a little hip hop and barely any EDM last night. A full student section in the first half was noticeably subdued and lacking in response, especially after the B1G MSU atmosphere..

We're 3-4 now, with arguably 2, maybe 3 winnable games left the way we are playing. Let's see what happens.

 

[RUfromNJ]

I can say I wasn't expecting a 6 touchdown loss, but we are what we are. We can beat our fellow bottom feeders, but look like we don't belong on the same field against the rest of the conference.

 

[Leonard23]

First, I'd like to welcome back all the posters who disappeared late in the Indiana game who have returned tonight...we missed you.
Second, This is NOT A PRO FLOOD or excuse thread.
Seriously though, what were you expecting? Since I asked, I'll tell you my goal was a two score game with 7 minutes to go in the 3rd.
As soon as JT was announced as the starter the route was on. PSU has a very good D and a 5 million dollar a year coach and they looked no better.
Tonight was Urban's 20th straight win. It's the 4th time he has won 20 in a row in his career. No other coach EVER has done that more than twice.
I know many of you guys think we should be duking it out with OSU and Meyer year two in the B1G and that's cute but it's silly. I'll add, we will probably never consistently compete with them and that's no a defeatist attitude.
Keep Flood...fire Flood...I don't care either way but I think many of you guys need to re check your expectation levels at this point.

Here's their "logic"...we hung with MSU & came back from down big to beat IU on the road, so we should've hung with the reigning national champs & current #1 team in the country on a 19 game winning streak with mostly 5* recruits & a HOF coach, despite being lightyears behind in talent.

Now, for those of us living in reality, many hoped tOSU would have its WTF game like VT last year & we could play perfectly & keep it close within 7-14 going into the 4Q, but once Barret was made the starter that was much more unlikely.

 

[theRU]

indiana, PSU, VT, Western Michigan, Northern Illinois, Maryland............

Figure it out

 

[jakeknight]

Would have been nice not to get blown out, but clearly they have talent that we can't even imagine and a coach that knows how to get it, manage it and coach it. I knew RU was in deep do-do when JT took apart a very good PSU defense and OSU blew them out with Barrett playing less than half the snaps. A great multi dimensional OB. having a very good game with the supporting cast that they have brings results like last night. Our only shot to be in this one ended when UM benched Cardel Jones. No excuse just superior talent with great coaches beat a team without those components. Hats off to Urban and no I don't expect him to be coming to RU anytime soon. We are what we are and that is clearly not good enough to play with OSU, hopefully that may change over time but it isn't going to change game to game, and all the anger and frustration in the world won't make it different.

 

[nukem]

The question to really ask is Flood really the answer to be our HC. We have enough of a sample with him being in his 4th year as HC. And it's not just about OSU last night as only 1 resident wack-job predicted a win. Any one who has paid attention and watched this team knew deep down in their heart that our defense was going to get shredded. Our defense has set records of futility for 3 straight years now. Go back and look up the yardage and points that this team has given up. And I'm not just talking about the OSU's of the world. I'm talking about SMU, Houston, Kent St., WSU twice, Arkansas, etc etc etc. Hell, Howard even put up 427 yards and 25 points on us last year!

We obviously need more talent, that much is abundantly clear. Is Flood really getting the job done here? We consistently are striking out with NJ's top players. No one is asking to pull in every big time recruit in NJ. But for us to be somewhat competitive, we need to keep a portion home. He simply is not convincing enough to keep them home. We just can't rely on pulling top talent from out of state. I've attached a link from a Cleveland Paper's open letter to Kyle Flood. Yes a Cleveland paper noticing the problem.

At the end of the day, what does Flood do well that is on the plus side? Definitely not defense. Definitely not recruiting. He was never known as a great offensive mind. He had one chance to co-coordinate the offense and got demoted doing that. And as far as running a good clean program even that has shown cracks this year.

So why do we keep him? Please don't say money because we run a $70-some odd million dollar athletic program. We've paid a head coach over $2 million per year when we were in the Big East. If our AD can't figure this out then she needs to be looking for another job also. 4 years is enough for me to read the tea leaves.

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2015/03/rutgers_kyle_flood_buckeyes_re.html

 

[NotInRHouse]

The question to really ask is Flood really the answer to be our HC. We have enough of a sample with him being in his 4th year as HC. And it's not just about OSU last night as only 1 resident wack-job predicted a win. Any one who has paid attention and watched this team knew deep down in their heart that our defense was going to get shredded. Our defense has set records of futility for 3 straight years now. Go back and look up the yardage and points that this team has given up. And I'm not just talking about the OSU's of the world. I'm talking about SMU, Houston, Kent St., WSU twice, Arkansas, etc etc etc. Hell, Howard even put up 427 yards and 25 points on us last year!

We obviously need more talent, that much is abundantly clear. Is Flood really getting the job done here? We consistently are striking out with NJ's top players. No one is asking to pull in every big time recruit in NJ. But for us to be somewhat competitive, we need to keep a portion home. He simply is not convincing enough to keep them home. We just can't rely on pulling top talent from out of state. I've attached a link from a Cleveland Paper's open letter to Kyle Flood. Yes a Cleveland paper noticing the problem.

At the end of the day, what does Flood do well that is on the plus side? Definitely not defense. Definitely not recruiting. He was never known as a great offensive mind. He had one chance to co-coordinate the offense and got demoted doing that. And as far as running a good clean program even that has shown cracks this year.

So why do we keep him? Please don't say money because we run a $70-some odd million dollar athletic program. We've paid a head coach over $2 million per year when we were in the Big East. If our AD can't figure this out then she needs to be looking for another job also. 4 years is enough for me to read the tea leaves.

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2015/03/rutgers_kyle_flood_buckeyes_re.html

This should be emailed to Julie and pinned to the top.

They will try, but there is no counterargument to any of your points.

#Floodmustgo

 

[Knight Shift]

The question to really ask is Flood really the answer to be our HC. We have enough of a sample with him being in his 4th year as HC. And it's not just about OSU last night as only 1 resident wack-job predicted a win. Any one who has paid attention and watched this team knew deep down in their heart that our defense was going to get shredded. Our defense has set records of futility for 3 straight years now. Go back and look up the yardage and points that this team has given up. And I'm not just talking about the OSU's of the world. I'm talking about SMU, Houston, Kent St., WSU twice, Arkansas, etc etc etc. Hell, Howard even put up 427 yards and 25 points on us last year!

We obviously need more talent, that much is abundantly clear. Is Flood really getting the job done here? We consistently are striking out with NJ's top players. No one is asking to pull in every big time recruit in NJ. But for us to be somewhat competitive, we need to keep a portion home. He simply is not convincing enough to keep them home. We just can't rely on pulling top talent from out of state. I've attached a link from a Cleveland Paper's open letter to Kyle Flood. Yes a Cleveland paper noticing the problem.

At the end of the day, what does Flood do well that is on the plus side? Definitely not defense. Definitely not recruiting. He was never known as a great offensive mind. He had one chance to co-coordinate the offense and got demoted doing that. And as far as running a good clean program even that has shown cracks this year.

So why do we keep him? Please don't say money because we run a $70-some odd million dollar athletic program. We've paid a head coach over $2 million per year when we were in the Big East. If our AD can't figure this out then she needs to be looking for another job also. 4 years is enough for me to read the tea leaves.

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2015/03/rutgers_kyle_flood_buckeyes_re.html

Barchi wasn't president when RU was paying $2Million per year. It's not happening unless Julie finds the money if Flood finishes 5-7 or 6-6, unless we have another embarrassing blowout loss.

So, some of you guys can call us who are not pissing and moaning today Flood apologists or supporters, but until we see a sign that Barchi and/or Julie are ready to pony up some serious money for a new coaching staff, I'll bide my time and look for positives (as few as there were last night).

Maybe all the loyal fans who sold their tickets at a profit last night could cough up their profits to support a new coach.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Barchi wasn't president when RU was paying $2Million per year. It's not happening unless Julie finds the money if Flood finishes 5-7 or 6-6, unless we have another embarrassing blowout loss.

So, some of you guys can call us who are not pissing and moaning today Flood apologists or supporters, but until we see a sign that Barchi and/or Julie are ready to pony up some serious money for a new coaching staff, I'll bide my time and look for positives (as few as there were last night).

Maybe all the loyal fans who sold their tickets at a profit last night could cough up their profits to support a new coach.

He was president when Eddie Jordan was hired for a respectable salary.

Dino Babbers would get a huge raise if we gave him Flood's salary.

We are paying Rossi 500k....LOL

Please stop with the spin. There is no argument. Either Flood is fired, or we will become East Coast Indiana without the basketball.

 

[BoogieKnight]

Both our first team O and D have players. My buddy who is a PSU grad watched our game and even said "you guys have players you just don't know what to do with them". Now, do we have the depth of Ohio State or MSU? Of course not! So no one was expecting us to beat either, even at home. BUT, vs MSU at least our talent was utilized and put us in a position to steal the game in the 4th quarter. Nowhere close to that last night and that's a shame. We actually played better in the Shoe last year.

It's obvious to any outsider who watches our games that we are poorly coached when we step up in competition. Since we are likely NEVER going to get the DEPTH of horses OSU and Michigan have, even in fantasy land where Greg Schiano returns with Hafley and we add Locksley and Mangus to the staff, we need a coach who maximizes the talent we DO have. And Schiano wouldn't be that coach either, sorry.

 

[bac2therac]

The question to really ask is Flood really the answer to be our HC. We have enough of a sample with him being in his 4th year as HC. And it's not just about OSU last night as only 1 resident wack-job predicted a win. Any one who has paid attention and watched this team knew deep down in their heart that our defense was going to get shredded. Our defense has set records of futility for 3 straight years now. Go back and look up the yardage and points that this team has given up. And I'm not just talking about the OSU's of the world. I'm talking about SMU, Houston, Kent St., WSU twice, Arkansas, etc etc etc. Hell, Howard even put up 427 yards and 25 points on us last year!

We obviously need more talent, that much is abundantly clear. Is Flood really getting the job done here? We consistently are striking out with NJ's top players. No one is asking to pull in every big time recruit in NJ. But for us to be somewhat competitive, we need to keep a portion home. He simply is not convincing enough to keep them home. We just can't rely on pulling top talent from out of state. I've attached a link from a Cleveland Paper's open letter to Kyle Flood. Yes a Cleveland paper noticing the problem.

At the end of the day, what does Flood do well that is on the plus side? Definitely not defense. Definitely not recruiting. He was never known as a great offensive mind. He had one chance to co-coordinate the offense and got demoted doing that. And as far as running a good clean program even that has shown cracks this year.

So why do we keep him? Please don't say money because we run a $70-some odd million dollar athletic program. We've paid a head coach over $2 million per year when we were in the Big East. If our AD can't figure this out then she needs to be looking for another job also. 4 years is enough for me to read the tea leaves.

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2015/03/rutgers_kyle_flood_buckeyes_re.html

RU keeps them because he comes cheap while scraping 6-6/7-5 seasons that gives fans warm fuzzies at irrelevant minor bowl games

some fans love him because he is a nice guy like that matters and he can scrape 6-6/7-5 seasons to give people warm fuzzies at irrelevant minor bowls

 

[shields]

Barrett did not play versus Indianan. Big difference as I think he is better than Pat White who I thought was real good. OSU is huge and we need to get bigger.

 

[RUTBAY]

I agree Barrett makes them better on O but what about the defense? It's the same exact team. Indiana, with a backup QB, moved the ball and answered Elliot's TD runs when they got the ball back.

Face it, we aren't a good team. No excuses, we just aren't.

Both our first team O and D have players. My buddy who is a PSU grad watched our game and even said "you guys have players you just don't know what to do with them". Now, do we have the depth of Ohio State or MSU? Of course not! So no one was expecting us to beat either, even at home. BUT, vs MSU at least our talent was utilized and put us in a position to steal the game in the 4th quarter. Nowhere close to that last night and that's a shame. We actually played better in the Shoe last year.

It's obvious to any outsider who watches our games that we are poorly coached when we step up in competition. Since we are likely NEVER going to get the DEPTH of horses OSU and Michigan have, even in fantasy land where Greg Schiano returns with Hafley and we add Locksley and Mangus to the staff, we need a coach who maximizes the talent we DO have. And Schiano wouldn't be that coach either, sorry.

I agree that we have enough talent to put on a better showing than what we did last night. I agree that it is on the coaches who do not recognize how to maximize that talent. They are letting both the players and the fanbase down by playing a very unexciting brand of football in hopes that the other team will make a mistake or just decide to let up. I think this brand of football ultimately has a very subtle but insidious effect on the players in that it implicitly says that you are not good enough that we can trust you with a high risk high reward game plan.

Isn't it funny that for each of the last four years we have this same conversation and before that a slightly different one when Schiano was here. I am not one who is in the camp that we should bring Greg back but at least, in general, the perceived outlook nationally and by the fans was on the whole more positive even though he had his share of klinkers too.

 

[RUTBAY]

Barrett did not play versus Indianan. Big difference as I think he is better than Pat White who I thought was real good. OSU is huge and we need to get bigger.

Well that explains the defensive troubles but what about the offensive? See my post above comparing IU vs RU offensive output against OSU.

 

[BoogieKnight]

Well that explains the defensive troubles but what about the offensive? See my post above comparing IU vs RU offensive output against OSU.

And what type of offense does Indiana run? An unconventional spread hybrid which even allowed the back up QB for them to keep them in the game vs. OSU. Again, we are banging our heads against the wall trying to run pro set. I'm convinced of this as are many other posters on the board here. Schiano MAY be willing to bring a modified offensive scheme with him if he returned since he toyed with it in '08-'09 but he'd have to completely trust the OC and let whomever it is run the O as they see fit. Can he do that? I'm not so sure.

And as much as I think Franklin sucks, I know he wants to move more toward a spread O as soon as Hackenberg leaves and watch what will happen with their offense. And they won't need stud OL to pull it off. And the only reason JF sucks now is because he is unwilling to adapt to his talent which is Hack in a pro-set offense. Good coaches usually find a way to adjust to their talent and he's not doing that at the moment.

 

[RocktheRac]

How about expecting a FG kicker to make a chip shot? How many points have we lost on the field . He should be ashamed.

 

[zappaa]

Barrett did not play versus Indianan. Big difference as I think he is better than Pat White who I thought was real good. OSU is huge and we need to get bigger.

Seriously, what the hell are you doing shields? If Jones had played he would have thrown for 500 yards if that's what Meyer wanted him to do, we give up yardage on defense ln tremendous numbers, what don't you get?>

 

[vkj91]

Vkj

Here is the thing...and I completely hear what you are saying.

However

What on earth was out gameplan to try to win this game? Seriously ? We ran how many plays with one and no wide receivers. We were going to over power ohio state at the line of scrimmage?

We had a gameplan to win against top 5 Michigan state. We had no gameplan last night to win. And I was one here hyping the need to keep control of the game tempo last night to have a chance

On defense? I had no idea on what we were doing on our scheme. And i watch for it

Our players and fans deserve a better coaching effort that what we had last night

I don't think it would have made a difference in the score...but at least look like we are going to make the other
Coach to beat us

Sitting back most on the night on defense and wait for them to run over us and then have the arrogance to try to run over them on offense to me screams of let's keep the score as close as possible

I don't disagree. My point was simply it's amusing people are acting like this wasn't the most likely outcome. I had said earlier in the week we should play them like Army and sell out against the run. Make him beat you though the air.

 

[ag67]

You should probably go to bed...there were lots of people that weren't impressed with the Indiana win, they got shouted down, cussed out, and even had posts edited. There were posters that said this game would be a blow out, they were told that they weren't true fans and to find a new team to root for.

This is Flood's 4th year and we are getting worse results than we were getting in year one...THIS IS NOT PROGRESS.

I said I thought it would be a blow-out, but no one said anything to me - and I still support our coaches and team 100%. OSU looked like a juggernaut, and I predict they will for the entire rest of the year.

 

[ag67]

You have to ask yourself, is Flood the guy that will take us to a B1G championship. The answer is no. The sooner we make the change, the better.

It is going to be tough for any coach not named Meyer to take his team to the B1G championship, even Harbaugh. The only thing we can hope for is for these guys to implode after a while - like they have in the past.

That does not mean we cannot hope for 9 and 10 win seasons, but it will take a few years. Next year we will be better with the same coaching staff.