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What is our all-time record against the #2 team in the country?

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Perhaps this is more a question for Source but I would like to know what is our all-time record against the #2 team in the country? I know that we've won at least once (when we beat USF in 2007). But, how many other times have we even played the #2 team (AP, Coaches, Harris, etc.)?
 
Here's your history vs top 3 teams:

1978: at #3 Penn State L 10-26
1980: vs #1 Alabama L 17-13 (how the hell did you get Alabama at home?)
1981: vs #1 Pittsburgh L 47-3
1985: at #3 Florida T 28-28
1993: at #3 Miami L 31-17
2001: at #1 Miami L 61-0
2002: at #3 Virginia Tech L 35-14
2002: vs #1 Miami L 42-17
2006: vs #3 Louisville W 28-25
2007: vs #2 USF W 30-27
2015: vs #1 Ohio State L 48-7

So you guys are 1-0 against #2. Although it was USF..

About to be 2-0.
 
That loss to Alabama was at Giants Stadium. We got jobbed by the refs (whom I believe were SEC) late in the game when we recovered a fumble and they ruled it wasn't. It clearly was and it would have put us deep in their territory with a chance at a TD.
 
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Here's your history vs top 3 teams:

1978: at #3 Penn State L 10-26
1980: vs #1 Alabama L 17-13 (how the hell did you get Alabama at home?)
1981: vs #1 Pittsburgh L 47-3
1985: at #3 Florida T 28-28
1993: at #3 Miami L 31-17
2001: at #1 Miami L 61-0
2002: at #3 Virginia Tech L 35-14
2002: vs #1 Miami L 42-17
2006: vs #3 Louisville W 28-25
2007: vs #2 USF W 30-27
2015: vs #1 Ohio State L 48-7

So you guys are 1-0 against #2. Although it was USF..

About to be 2-0.
It was a connection between Sonny Werblin and Coach Bryant and his passion for RU football. Alabama just happened to be #1, again.
Bryant said " we won the game, but they beat us ".
 
It was a connection between Sonny Werblin and Coach Bryant and his passion for RU football. Alabama just happened to be #1, again.
Bryant said " we won the game, but they beat us ".

They were golf friends. Bryant wanted to showcase his team on a bigger stage than the deep south. At that point Bama was not only undefeated for two years but they never even gave up a lead that entire time. Rutgers meanwhile was still playing Ivy League schools. What was suppose to be a showcase game for Bama to show the NYC press that they were the best team ever ended up being something else. Not only did Rutgers get the early lead, 1st time anyone had done that to them in two years but we controlled most of the game and had a few chances to put the game away but couldn't. After the game Bear Bryant used some colorful language to give us some high praise. At the time when many were questioning just what the hell we were thinking joining the D1a (FBS) instead of D1aa(FCS) where all of our rivals were going, this game and the Tennessee game in 1978 was proof that we could beat and hang with any team.

Sadly the school treated the AD like it was in the Patriot League. For the 1980's and 1990's, Rutgers was basically a FBS school in name only, in reality we were a FCS school playing a FBS schedule. Having some impressive showings here and there, pulling huge upsets here and there but ultimately losing a lot as well. We hit rock bottom in the late 90's and finally had enough and started to take football seriously in the 2000's and the rest is history.
 
It was a connection between Sonny Werblin and Coach Bryant and his passion for RU football. Alabama just happened to be #1, again. Bryant said " we won the game, but they beat us ".

It was Sonny Werblin, Rutgers Class of 1932, who gave Bear Bryant his famous houndstooth hat as a gift.

According to the Paul W. Bryant Museum, New York Jets owner Sonny Werblin gave Bryant his first houndstooth hat as a goodwill gesture when the Jets made Alabama's Joe Willie Namath the No. 1 pick in the 1965 American Football League draft.
 
1980: vs #1 Alabama L 17-13 (how the hell did you get Alabama at home?)
Maybe one of the older guys can correct me, but wasn't the story something like Werblin asked Bryant for a game at Giants Stadium, Bryant said "we're booked up until 1990". Werblin told him Alabama would get $400,000 & Bryant said "looks like a spot just opened"
 
but we controlled most of the game and had a few chances to put the game away but couldn't. .

and so it began....:cry:

(I sat in the opposite endzone and had a perfect view when Ed McMichael threw the pass to Tim Odell ( or David Dorn? ) crossing back of endzone ...which was just a tad too far out in front of him. Ballgame.
 
I was at that Alabama game and our defense dominated them. Their go ahead winning score was a trick play where one guy (think a RB) pretended to be tying his shoe and the Alabama team was waiting for him, but they snapped the ball and scored a TD against a caught resting RU team, Bryant knew he wasn't likely to score any other way again that game without the trick play. He said afterwards he won the war but lost all the battles, and it was true.
 
Not to get too technical with the question but the 2001 game at Miami had the Hurricanes at #1 in AP and #2 in Coaches Poll.

9-8-2001 (#1/#2) Miami 61 Rutgers 0
Miami, FL Miami Orange Bowl

10-18-2007 Rutgers 30 (#2/#3) South Florida 27
Piscataway, NJ Rutgers Stadium
 
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That loss to Alabama was at Giants Stadium. We got jobbed by the refs (whom I believe were SEC) late in the game when we recovered a fumble and they ruled it wasn't. It clearly was and it would have put us deep in their territory with a chance at a TD.
That was my first RU game and we have been finding new and interesting ways to lose ever since. We really had a chance to beat them.
 
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Maybe one of the older guys can correct me, but wasn't the story something like Werblin asked Bryant for a game at Giants Stadium, Bryant said "we're booked up until 1990". Werblin told him Alabama would get $400,000 & Bryant said "looks like a spot just opened"
You saw more stuff like that back then. Now, everyone is locked in 10 years in advance and you have to buy your way out. Didn't Wenzel add a game with #1 UNLV at the last minute in 1991?
 
Rutgers 1980 schedule

It was also the final time we played Princeton in football.

7-4
(good enough for a bowl these days but there weren't a lot of bowl games back then)..

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Date Day School Opponent Conf Pts Opp W L T Streak Notes
1
Sep 13, 1980 Sat Rutgers @ Temple Ind W 21 3 1 0 0 W 1
2 Sep 20, 1980 Sat Rutgers Cincinnati Ind W 24 7 2 0 0 W 2
3 Sep 27, 1980 Sat Rutgers Princeton Ivy W 44 13 3 0 0 W 3
4 Oct 4, 1980 Sat Rutgers @ Cornell Ivy W 44 3 4 0 0 W 4
5 Oct 11, 1980 Sat Rutgers (1) Alabama SEC L 13 17 4 1 0 L 1 East Rutherford, NJ
6 Oct 18, 1980 Sat Rutgers William & Mary Ind L 18 21 4 2 0 L 2
7 Oct 25, 1980 Sat Rutgers @ Syracuse Ind L 9 17 4 3 0 L 3
8 Nov 1, 1980 Sat Rutgers @ Army Ind W 37 21 5 3 0 W 1
9 Nov 8, 1980 Sat Rutgers @ Virginia ACC W 19 17 6 3 0 W 2
10 Nov 15, 1980 Sat Rutgers West Virginia Ind L 15 24 6 4 0 L 1
11 Nov 22, 1980 Sat Rutgers Colgate Ind W 35 13 7 4 0 W 1
 
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Rutgers 1980 schedule

It was also the final time we played Princeton in football.

7-4
(good enough for a bowl these days but there weren't a lot of bowl games back then)..

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Date Day School Opponent Conf Pts Opp W L T Streak Notes
1
Sep 13, 1980 Sat Rutgers @ Temple Ind W 21 3 1 0 0 W 1
2 Sep 20, 1980 Sat Rutgers Cincinnati Ind W 24 7 2 0 0 W 2
3 Sep 27, 1980 Sat Rutgers Princeton Ivy W 44 13 3 0 0 W 3
4 Oct 4, 1980 Sat Rutgers @ Cornell Ivy W 44 3 4 0 0 W 4
5 Oct 11, 1980 Sat Rutgers (1) Alabama SEC L 13 17 4 1 0 L 1 East Rutherford, NJ
6 Oct 18, 1980 Sat Rutgers William & Mary Ind L 18 21 4 2 0 L 2
7 Oct 25, 1980 Sat Rutgers @ Syracuse Ind L 9 17 4 3 0 L 3
8 Nov 1, 1980 Sat Rutgers @ Army Ind W 37 21 5 3 0 W 1
9 Nov 8, 1980 Sat Rutgers @ Virginia ACC W 19 17 6 3 0 W 2
10 Nov 15, 1980 Sat Rutgers West Virginia Ind L 15 24 6 4 0 L 1
11 Nov 22, 1980 Sat Rutgers Colgate Ind W 35 13 7 4 0 W 1
I'd ask how you hold Alabama to 17 points one week, then hand over 21 points to William & Mary the following, but this isn't my first season with the Scarlet Knights.
 
There is something else that should be pointed out. When the most of the media writes about Rutgers they start with 1978, which is the year that FBS and FCS finally split to two different divisions for good.

The Ivy League schools there were considered "FBS" from 1978 to 1982. Until a NCAA rule change forced them to FCS.

However, it is important to note that Rutgers rarely had a losing season from the 1920's up until that point. Rutgers was a damn good small regional power for decades, which included two undefeated seasons, bowl invites (which were rejected) Heisman candidates, lots of All-Americans, AP rankings, CFB HOF inductees., etc.

Towards the end, our long standing rivals rarely could beat us anymore and the landscape for College football was changing to become more of a national game than a regional one.

While going undefeated in the 1960's got us ranked pretty high in the AP Poll, doing the same in the 1970's only got us invited to a low level bowl game, which was rejected.

Sadly, Rutgers botch the move up to FBS by only upgrading the schedule and nothing else. The whole AD was still run like it was the 1930's or something.

It was a wasted opportunity, had we invested, we would have joined the Big Ten with Penn State, IMHO.

It all worked out in the end at least.
 
Here's your history vs top 3 teams:

1978: at #3 Penn State L 10-26
1980: vs #1 Alabama L 17-13 (how the hell did you get Alabama at home?)
1981: vs #1 Pittsburgh L 47-3
1985: at #3 Florida T 28-28
1993: at #3 Miami L 31-17
2001: at #1 Miami L 61-0
2002: at #3 Virginia Tech L 35-14
2002: vs #1 Miami L 42-17
2006: vs #3 Louisville W 28-25
2007: vs #2 USF W 30-27
2015: vs #1 Ohio State L 48-7

So you guys are 1-0 against #2. Although it was USF..

About to be 2-0.
The goal is "to be 1-0 this week against #2". That's what Kyle Flood used to say; but I think in retrospect he has just talking about taking a sh*t properly.
 
They were golf friends. Bryant wanted to showcase his team on a bigger stage than the deep south. At that point Bama was not only undefeated for two years but they never even gave up a lead that entire time. Rutgers meanwhile was still playing Ivy League schools. What was suppose to be a showcase game for Bama to show the NYC press that they were the best team ever ended up being something else. Not only did Rutgers get the early lead, 1st time anyone had done that to them in two years but we controlled most of the game and had a few chances to put the game away but couldn't. After the game Bear Bryant used some colorful language to give us some high praise. At the time when many were questioning just what the hell we were thinking joining the D1a (FBS) instead of D1aa(FCS) where all of our rivals were going, this game and the Tennessee game in 1978 was proof that we could beat and hang with any team.

Sadly the school treated the AD like it was in the Patriot League. For the 1980's and 1990's, Rutgers was basically a FBS school in name only, in reality we were a FCS school playing a FBS schedule. Having some impressive showings here and there, pulling huge upsets here and there but ultimately losing a lot as well. We hit rock bottom in the late 90's and finally had enough and started to take football seriously in the 2000's and the rest is history.

great insight, thank you
 
There is something else that should be pointed out. When the most of the media writes about Rutgers they start with 1978, which is the year that FBS and FCS finally split to two different divisions for good.

The Ivy League schools there were considered "FBS" from 1978 to 1982. Until a NCAA rule change forced them to FCS.

However, it is important to note that Rutgers rarely had a losing season from the 1920's up until that point. Rutgers was a damn good small regional power for decades, which included two undefeated seasons, bowl invites (which were rejected) Heisman candidates, lots of All-Americans, AP rankings, CFB HOF inductees., etc.

Towards the end, our long standing rivals rarely could beat us anymore and the landscape for College football was changing to become more of a national game than a regional one.

While going undefeated in the 1960's got us ranked pretty high in the AP Poll, doing the same in the 1970's only got us invited to a low level bowl game, which was rejected.

Sadly, Rutgers botch the move up to FBS by only upgrading the schedule and nothing else. The whole AD was still run like it was the 1930's or something.

It was a wasted opportunity, had we invested, we would have joined the Big Ten with Penn State, IMHO.

It all worked out in the end at least.


Thee problem now is that we're so far behind most of the B1G, we may never catch up.
 
Thee problem now is that we're so far behind most of the B1G, we may never catch up.

We can catch up. Maybe just not to the elites but neither can Penn State. For reference there are some programs today that are consider really good that were not in the 1980's or even 1990's and vice versa.

But the huge advantage that we have is recurring, as long as we get a good amount of the best guys from NJ, even if we miss out on the 5 star players we will shoot up the Big Ten in no time. The one thing we really lacked before was money and all of that is finally coming.

Other Big Ten schools will be past by since it will always be harder for them to recruit vs Rutgers and also Maryland. Maryland is almost in the same boat, but the advantage that we have on Maryland is that we care a hell of a lot more about football than they do. Maryland will always have the edge on us for MBB on the other hand for the same reason.
 
Yes...The Rutgers Bama game is a classic...there is a youtube heighlight video on it

Bama came in #1 at 4-0...running the Wishbone and throwing maybe 6-8 passes a game

RU did have the first lead on Bama that year when Alex Falcinelli nailed a 44 yd FG

Bama got a FG to tie it and than a TD to 10-3

Defenses dominated most of the rest of the half...though RU moved the ball late in the first half. Ed McMichael had a post pattern open to Tim Odell but missed it by a hair on a complete lay out...so RU settled for a FG...10-6 half

After both teams traded a couple of 2nd half punts...bama, resorted to calling two passes in a row that caught RU of guard...to open it up to 17-6

RU got its break when Bama fumbled the ball in its own terrioty late third quarter...and three plays later RU scored to make it 17-12

In the era of NO TIES....Coach Burns made a HUGE blunder now trying to make it a 3 pt game by going for two...and left the score 17-13

After anoter trade of punts...the play of the day for RU was Kenny Smith returning a Bama punt 45 yards to the Bama 31....with about 7 minutes to go

The key play was on 3rd and 8 from 29...The Bear dialed up a "delayed" safety blitz from the free safety 8-0 yards out that went unblocked and sacked Eddie McMichael

Shame was RU had a wide open receiver for a first down or more had RU blocked the blitz

RU never seriously threatened again
 
I'd ask how you hold Alabama to 17 points one week, then hand over 21 points to William & Mary the following, but this isn't my first season with the Scarlet Knights.
William & Mary was at RU, but we were still at Giant's Stadium. Just a terrible game where you kept waiting for something to happen and it didn't.
 
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