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-Thiam avgs 15-17 pts/game
-Corey avgs 13-15 pts, 5-7 assists, 2 steals, less than 3 TOs/game
-Freeman avgs 8-9 pts, 7-8 rebounds/game
-Williams avgs 8-9 pts, 5-6 rebounds, 3-4 assists, 1-2 steals/game
-Omuyuri avgs 5-7 pts, 5-6 rebs/game
- Sa avgs 3-5 pts, 3-5 rebs/game
- Mensah 5-7 pts, 4-6 assists/game
- Baker 5-8 pts, 2 assts, 2 rebs
- Johnson 2-3 rebs, 2-4 pts

And strong team defense at or near last year with overall improved team free throws?

GO RU
 
-Thiam avgs 15-17 pts/game
-Corey avgs 13-15 pts, 5-7 assists, 2 steals, less than 3 TOs/game
-Freeman avgs 8-9 pts, 7-8 rebounds/game
-Williams avgs 8-9 pts, 5-6 rebounds, 3-4 assists, 1-2 steals/game
-Omuyuri avgs 5-7 pts, 5-6 rebs/game
- Sa avgs 3-5 pts, 3-5 rebs/game
- Mensah 5-7 pts, 4-6 assists/game
- Baker 5-8 pts, 2 assts, 2 rebs
- Johnson 2-3 rebs, 2-4 pts

And strong team defense at or near last year with overall improved team free throws?

GO RU


That would be quite the jump from freshman year for Thiam. I wonder if he is putting on weight yet.

Everything else looks doable.
 
I would be happy if Rutgers could average 66 points against league opponents which would be a 6 point improvement from last season.The team still needs a consistent 3 point shooter.
 
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Thiam ppg too high, assists probably took high across the board. You left out doorson who will play major minutes. Also think Freeman may be able to average 10+ ppg.
 
If Thiam averages 15-17 this team is going to far exceed expectations. Freeman should average 10+
 
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Thiam avgs 15-17 pts/game
-Corey avgs 13-15 pts, 5-7 assists, 2 steals, less than 3 TOs/game
-Freeman avgs 8-9 pts, 7-8 rebounds/game
-Williams avgs 8-9 pts, 5-6 rebounds, 3-4 assists, 1-2 steals/game
-Omuyuri avgs 5-7 pts, 5-6 rebs/game
- Sa avgs 3-5 pts, 3-5 rebs/game
- Mensah 5-7 pts, 4-6 assists/game
- Baker 5-8 pts, 2 assts, 2 rebs
- Johnson 2-3 rebs, 2-4 pts

And strong team defense at or near last year with overall improved team free throws?

GO RU

To be realistic and fair, we have 33 total games last year but I consider 25 of those games "real".....that carves out 8 RAC games that were wins vs cupcakes or teams that RU should have defeated.

In those 25 "real" games, RU was 7-18.....what's really my own measurement was isolating the last 14 of the 25 games of the season, once the staff really removed a lot of things they wanted to run that weren't successful OR decided that the scouting by opponents took away a lot of options.

The key is there just isn't any possible way Thiam goes from 3 to 4 PPG to double digits in the games that are against B1G competition, Seton Hall, Florida State etc.

RU has to replace 28-29 minutes a game from their 2nd leading scorer in Nigel Johnson at 10PPG. The only current and likely guard on the roster capable of stepping in at 24-29 minutes a game and providing 10 PPG is Geo Baker....he's the most likely to be in the Top 3-4 in scoring based on the ability to shoot a 3 and being a solid FT shooter and since he's the 2nd likely ball handler on the team (Mike Williams and Souf are your other guards beyond Corey Sanders).....

I haven't carved out the PPG per player on the 25 games that matter most as a true measuring stick, but we were at 59 PPG if you remove the 8 cupcake games (all home wins) against teams RU in theory should win (that counts Hartford as a nailbiter)....in the other 5 games beyond the 20 B1G games, I counted @ Miami, @ Stony Brook, @ DePaul, @ Seton Hall and MSG vs Fordham.....

If you carve it down to the last 14 games, RU is at 62 PPG.....it sounds trivial but 59 to 62 PPG isn't much, but it's not impossible to ask to go from 62PPG to 66PPG in these games.

Three factors figure to get RU there beyond the obvious of improving FT shooting.

A) Freeman going from 11PPG all the way to 14 PPG....it's really as simple as Freeman taking 3 to 4 3 point attempts per game.....why??

Teams were playing way off Freeman because he's capable of driving to the basket against bigger players....some of those times he drove against faster and quicker players, he got his shot rejected OR got fouled/scored....

Hidden in these stats was Freeman making 4 out of 10 3's in RU's last 7 games...in most of those games he only had one attempt, but if teams are going to play soft on Freeman and he's available to shoot them, I would green-light Freeman to take at least 2 of these shots per half. If he takes 3 to 4 per game and shoots 30-33% from 3, that's 3 PPG added. I would spread these shot attempts out, vs relying solely on Sanders to generate offense most possessions.

B) How much/how little will the team improve from year one to year 2 defensively?? As much as we need to replace Nigel and CJ at 17-18 PPG, we need to replace their tenacity on defense/rebounding, but we should be better defensively with more footspeed up front...it will have to be a team effort, but I don't see a dropoff defensively....

C) X-Factor of 13th spot still open....Is it a PF/C being considered for the last available spot...????.....should we consider a combo guard or swingman that protects RU against relying on Sanders/Baker/Williams to score 30 PPG???

Sanders Nigel and Mike averaged 30PPG last year. Probably more likely that Thiam getting more minutes with no Laurent in his way, means more 3 point shooting from that position vs playing at times at SG last year. I can see Thiam adding another 3 PPG with no Laurent around and more minutes...

FT shooting by Sanders was well under 60% in B1G games....the reality is if Sanders can go from 55-56% in B1G games to 65%-67% as a FT shooter, RU can get to 66 or more per game.....Sanders improved FT shooting and another 3 pointer here or there from Freeman and it changes where RU goes quickly.
 
To be realistic and fair, we have 33 total games last year but I consider 25 of those games "real".....that carves out 8 RAC games that were wins vs cupcakes or teams that RU should have defeated.

In those 25 "real" games, RU was 7-18.....what's really my own measurement was isolating the last 14 of the 25 games of the season, once the staff really removed a lot of things they wanted to run that weren't successful OR decided that the scouting by opponents took away a lot of options.

The key is there just isn't any possible way Thiam goes from 3 to 4 PPG to double digits in the games that are against B1G competition, Seton Hall, Florida State etc.

RU has to replace 28-29 minutes a game from their 2nd leading scorer in Nigel Johnson at 10PPG. The only current and likely guard on the roster capable of stepping in at 24-29 minutes a game and providing 10 PPG is Geo Baker....he's the most likely to be in the Top 3-4 in scoring based on the ability to shoot a 3 and being a solid FT shooter and since he's the 2nd likely ball handler on the team (Mike Williams and Souf are your other guards beyond Corey Sanders).....

I haven't carved out the PPG per player on the 25 games that matter most as a true measuring stick, but we were at 59 PPG if you remove the 8 cupcake games (all home wins) against teams RU in theory should win (that counts Hartford as a nailbiter)....in the other 5 games beyond the 20 B1G games, I counted @ Miami, @ Stony Brook, @ DePaul, @ Seton Hall and MSG vs Fordham.....

If you carve it down to the last 14 games, RU is at 62 PPG.....it sounds trivial but 59 to 62 PPG isn't much, but it's not impossible to ask to go from 62PPG to 66PPG in these games.

Three factors figure to get RU there beyond the obvious of improving FT shooting.

A) Freeman going from 11PPG all the way to 14 PPG....it's really as simple as Freeman taking 3 to 4 3 point attempts per game.....why??

Teams were playing way off Freeman because he's capable of driving to the basket against bigger players....some of those times he drove against faster and quicker players, he got his shot rejected OR got fouled/scored....

Hidden in these stats was Freeman making 4 out of 10 3's in RU's last 7 games...in most of those games he only had one attempt, but if teams are going to play soft on Freeman and he's available to shoot them, I would green-light Freeman to take at least 2 of these shots per half. If he takes 3 to 4 per game and shoots 30-33% from 3, that's 3 PPG added. I would spread these shot attempts out, vs relying solely on Sanders to generate offense most possessions.

B) How much/how little will the team improve from year one to year 2 defensively?? As much as we need to replace Nigel and CJ at 17-18 PPG, we need to replace their tenacity on defense/rebounding, but we should be better defensively with more footspeed up front...it will have to be a team effort, but I don't see a dropoff defensively....

C) X-Factor of 13th spot still open....Is it a PF/C being considered for the last available spot...????.....should we consider a combo guard or swingman that protects RU against relying on Sanders/Baker/Williams to score 30 PPG???

Sanders Nigel and Mike averaged 30PPG last year. Probably more likely that Thiam getting more minutes with no Laurent in his way, means more 3 point shooting from that position vs playing at times at SG last year. I can see Thiam adding another 3 PPG with no Laurent around and more minutes...

FT shooting by Sanders was well under 60% in B1G games....the reality is if Sanders can go from 55-56% in B1G games to 65%-67% as a FT shooter, RU can get to 66 or more per game.....Sanders improved FT shooting and another 3 pointer here or there from Freeman and it changes where RU goes quickly.

Spot on.

I really do hope they give Freeman more of a green light.
 
Freeman should definitely score more than 10 ppg. He averaged 11 ppg this past season. I think he can improve that a little bit.
 
Thiam averaging 15-17 PPG?????

Let's be realistic here. 2016-17 Thiam couldn't get a shot off and he is a perimeter player.

I'd love to see him develop, but I envision him as a 4 year role player and not a 1st or 2nd team all B1G player.
 
Freeman is proven and great likelihood of him being able to increase offensive production. I think Thiam has the tools (length, stroke, foot quickness, patience) to be an offensive weapon for RU if he has gained strength, weight and aggressiveness. He knows what the BIG basketball conference is now. If he develops into a scorer like Jok from Iowa RU fans will be very happy. My gut tells me he makes the leap to avg 12-14ppg. We will see.

GO RU
 
NJH has the A,B, and C. The 13th spot has a very good chance at shaping next year.

My base case guess, on July 21, is that we make no progress and perhaps take a step back.
 
Freeman is proven and great likelihood of him being able to increase offensive production. I think Thiam has the tools (length, stroke, foot quickness, patience) to be an offensive weapon for RU if he has gained strength, weight and aggressiveness. He knows what the BIG basketball conference is now. If he develops into a scorer like Jok from Iowa RU fans will be very happy. My gut tells me he makes the leap to avg 12-14ppg. We will see.

GO RU

What has Freeman proven? I like him a lot, but he is undersized and doesn't finish in traffic.

Thiam does not have foot quickness. He has length. Stroke? I do like his IQ

If you are looking for outperformance it comes from 13th spot and Corey Sanders finally figuring it out. Defense has to stay the same (asking for improvement will be tough)
 
I'd predict:
Thiam - 8-12 ppg
Baker - 10 ppg
Sanders - 15-18 ppg
Freeman - 12-15 ppg
Williams - 7-9 ppg
Mensah - 4-6 ppg
Eugene - 4-6 ppg
Shaq - 4 ppg
Sa - 4-6 ppg
Johnson - 2-4 ppg

I'm not expecting points from others on the roster in a consistent basis. So, looking at these numbers, I see a low estimate of 68 ppg and high estimate of 90. Meeting in the middle gives us 79 points.

If we look at last year's results, scoring 68 ppg could have translated into 5 additional wins in the B1G. Scoring 79 ppg could have translated into 12 additional wins (yes, this math is really fuzzy logic). What does this all mean? Probably nothing. It's based on my silly projections.
 
Yeah, I think Thiam at those numbers would be a wonderful surprise. I also think the numbers depend on our style of play. If we get to 68 ppg does that mean opponents get to 80?
 
I'll go with:

Thiam 5 ppg
Baker 8
Sanders 14
Freeman 12
Williams 9
Mensah 4
Omoruyi 5
Doorson 3
Sa 4
Johnson 4
Bullock 1

This totals 69 ppg
 
I'll go with:

Thiam 5 ppg
Baker 8
Sanders 14
Freeman 12
Williams 9
Mensah 4
Omoruyi 5
Doorson 3
Sa 4
Johnson 4
Bullock 1

This totals 69 ppg

If a 13th guy wasn't added and we had to make the best guess possible I don't think this would be much different than my guess.

I might take a point from Johnson and add it to Sa. maybe take a point from Baker and give it to Williams, but pretty darn near what I would go with.
 
Nice to see we are close to being on the same page. Maybe it is because we both go to almost every game and we attend many others as well.
 
I think Thiam takes Nigel's attempts from last season. There was a reason Coach P started Thiam as a true frosh last season at guard. I think he has a ton of upside, averages double digits (13-15 pts) and plays more mins than last.

GO RU
 
I would love to see Thiam average 13-15 ppg but I just cannot imagine that big of a jump from season #1 to season #2 for him. I hope I am wrong.
 
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