What would Schiano have to do to.......

[vkj91]

win you over if he was hired? Obviously, he is pretty polarizing and many here either idolize or are against him with very little middle ground. For me, he would need to bring in some new staff. I get he might need to keep a few for cost, a few because they are good, but I don't want to see a retread of our entire 20011 staff. Second, I would like to see him hire a competent up tempo style OC that he could feasible leave alone to run the O. For example, Charlie Strong has always run a pro set but they are about to hire TCU's co OC. That shows growth as a coach.

 

[MoobyCow]

Win and people love you, lose and they don't. I doubt there is anything he could do short-term to change anyone's minds.

 

[PaKnight]

I'm mixed on GS, I want him to hire a good staff, especially on the offensive side, and let them do their jobs.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

vkj:

The answer is simple..

Finish the job he started

The questions is...what does he need to do to do that?

To me ...it stats and ends with the funds and resoruces to get the staff he can trust to do the job the way he wants...without micromanaging things. Then let them do their job.

 

[ClassOf02]

I don't feel like I idolize GS, but I'm excited at the prospect of him returning so I'm not sure it has to be too polarizing. I certainly remember his faults, but he's also the only coach who has inspired the notion of another level of achievement. I've felt so beaten down by what Flood has done. I want to walk into the stadium next year and beyond feeling like we have a team that can be competitive and has an identity. I'm confident we'll at least get that with GS over time.

I agree I'd want to see him more hands off with the offense. I'd want to see him promote size on both sides of the line more than he has in the past to compete in our division. I'd want to see him command a high level of respect and achievement in a manner that wasn't as dictatorial. In short, if he truly has adopted what he's learned from Urban, Saban, Carroll & anything else discussed in that SI article a couple years back, I'd like to see that version of GS.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Ha, Strong took my advice. That's exactly what I've been saying he should do. Hire Cumbie or Meacham. It's freaking Texas with all their money. I know you're out there Charlie a simple thanks will do, lol. He screwed up putting a guy in charge of a spread who never ran it before and then had no choice in season but to replace him with someone on the staff who hadn't called plays in 8 years and was let go from OU because of poor production. A guy like Cumbie or someone like him should have been the first call.

I've given the reasons I'd be be disappointed if it were Schiano and really haven't seen anyone present a line or reasoning to counter my thinking and change my mind but I agree with most of what you've said. The other thing is not to forget the goals universally this board has said since we got into the B10. MSU/Wisconsin is the potential of our program, don't forget it and make excuses for not driving towards it. .500 records in conference and being ranked more often than not is what we should be driving towards. If we're not building towards that then we're not living up to our potential.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

I would need to see at least 50 or more threads about him here, then I might change my mind.

 

[MikeR0102]

Hire a good OC would be a good start. Bring back Jeff Hafley as recruiting ace would help too.

 

[RUskoolie]

If he takes the job it is going to be very very difficult for him. A lot of people like him and a lot of people hate him. The people that hate him probably always will and will be whining and complaining from day one, not realizing that you cannot fix a bad football program overnight. I find those people to be the same ones who adored our woefully underqualified former HC to the bitter end so maybe its the type of person they are attracted too.

We are going to take a lot of lumps next year regardless of who our coach is. The more I think about it, the more I'd like to see Cristobal over Schiano. It would be a fresh start and I know he can recruit. This program has been eaten away by termites for 3.5 seasons, that's not getting fixed in 8 months. We'll start to see hope in 18 months if we're doing it right. All we can do now is recruit, recruit, recruit and put the current roster through the meat grinder this off-season. Find out who is mentally tough this off-season and willing to work and let the rest transfer and cry on twitter. I'm really looking forward to this roster turnover the next 18 months and if Schiano is back you will see players dropping like flies. Gone are the days of a joke of an off-season program and zero discipline if Schiano returns.

 

[Wutevah]

Honestly, it 100 depends on his oc. I think his defense will be a upgrade and I loved his aggressive style, but I really don't want to settle for another pro set oc.

 

[rutgersguy1]

If he takes the job it is going to be very very difficult for him. A lot of people like him and a lot of people hate him. The people that hate him probably always will and will be whining and complaining from day one, not realizing that you cannot fix a bad football program overnight. I find those people to be the same ones who adored our woefully underqualified former HC to the bitter end so maybe its the type of person they are attracted too.

We are going to take a lot of lumps next year regardless of who our coach is. The more I think about it, the more I'd like to see Cristobal over Schiano. It would be a fresh start and I know he can recruit. This program has been eaten away by termites for 3.5 seasons, that's not getting fixed in 8 months. We'll start to see hope in 18 months if we're doing it right. All we can do now is recruit, recruit, recruit and put the current roster through the meat grinder this off-season. Find out who is mentally tough this off-season and willing to work and let the rest transfer and cry on twitter. I'm really looking forward to this roster turnover the next 18 months and if Schiano is back you will see players dropping like flies. Gone are the days of a joke of an off-season program and zero discipline if Schiano returns.

I agree with taking lumps at first but after some time if we're just getting to bowls in a 5 win bow world and we're not getting ranked or getting .500 conference records then we're not moving in the right direction.

 

[Caliknight]

He would have me at seeing his gap tooth smile.

My only concern is that I really don't want Olympic sports being raped to fund the football program. I get why it was done in 2001, but those days are over.

Julie did some good things with the Olympic sports. That needs to continue, which ultimately is Pat Hobbs' job.

GS 2.0 will be monster, I have no doubt. He is the one candidate who I see on this list that won't be intimidated by Meyer or Harbaugh in recruiting. With proper budgets, I am guessing he will bring in assistants he trusts to do their thing.

Mario Cristobal would make a nice DC.

 

[zgoru]

I would need to see at least 50 or more threads about him here, then I might change my mind.

Hang in there, I'm sure you will.

 

[megadrone]

Beat Penn State on a semi-regular basis. Beat Ohio State once. That would exorcise the WVU demon.

 

[withoutregard]

I would need to see at least 50 or more threads about him here, then I might change my mind.

be careful your wish may come true

 

[drewbagel423]

Hire a good OC would be a good start. Bring back Jeff Hafley as recruiting ace would help too.

If Schiano got Hafley back on the banks, I'd be so happy I wouldn't care if he hired Flood as his QB coach.

 

[vkj91]

If he takes the job it is going to be very very difficult for him. A lot of people like him and a lot of people hate him. The people that hate him probably always will and will be whining and complaining from day one, not realizing that you cannot fix a bad football program overnight. I find those people to be the same ones who adored our woefully underqualified former HC to the bitter end so maybe its the type of person they are attracted too.

We are going to take a lot of lumps next year regardless of who our coach is. The more I think about it, the more I'd like to see Cristobal over Schiano. It would be a fresh start and I know he can recruit. This program has been eaten away by termites for 3.5 seasons, that's not getting fixed in 8 months. We'll start to see hope in 18 months if we're doing it right. All we can do now is recruit, recruit, recruit and put the current roster through the meat grinder this off-season. Find out who is mentally tough this off-season and willing to work and let the rest transfer and cry on twitter. I'm really looking forward to this roster turnover the next 18 months and if Schiano is back you will see players dropping like flies. Gone are the days of a joke of an off-season program and zero discipline if Schiano returns.

Many of your points are why I started this thread. I'm not so concerned with wins as I am with seeing that he actually has grown. Won't have to look much further than his staff

 

[bac2therac]

Dont want him

 

[RUChoppin]

Initially? He'd just need to field a good staff, which includes Jeff Hafley.

After that, just win.

I'm not against Schiano, just leery. I'm sold on him being better than where we're at, but I'm not sold on his recruiting ability without Hafley or his ceiling as an X's and O's guy.

Winning cures that.

 

[scarlet night]

win you over if he was hired? Obviously, he is pretty polarizing and many here either idolize or are against him with very little middle ground. For me, he would need to bring in some new staff. I get he might need to keep a few for cost, a few because they are good, but I don't want to see a retread of our entire 20011 staff. Second, I would like to see him hire a competent up tempo style OC that he could feasible leave alone to run the O. For example, Charlie Strong has always run a pro set but they are about to hire TCU's co OC. That shows growth as a coach.

I'm 100% on the same page as you

 

[StyleKnight]

Start Hayden Rettig.

 

[gef21]

Establish relationships with new and old high school coaches. Get the kids that do not know him to buy into his style. Bring in an OC that he trusts. Set the tone for new discipline and practice demands.

Get the state to buy in.

 

[MikeR0102]

Interesting that both Hafley and Angelichio are on the Browns staff. If that staff gets shown the door in Cleveland, id like to see whoever is HC make a run at those 2.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Promise he would stop the slanting defensive line which led to a lot of big runs against the defense under both him and Flood.

 

[S.B. Crumb]

I agree with taking lumps at first but after some time if we're just getting to bowls in a 5 win bow world and we're not getting ranked or getting .500 conference records then we're not moving in the right direction.

Correct, qualifying for a bowl is no longer an adequate measuring stick to determine minimal success due to their dilution.

.500 conference record IMO is the baseline now.

 

[Upstream]

Win and people love you, lose and they don't. I doubt there is anything he could do short-term to change anyone's minds.

Pretty much this. My concern with Schiano is he will rarely get us past the 7 or 8 win regular season, which means we will rarely break the top-25 and essentially never be in contention for a B1G championship, or national championship, and pretty much never get a chance to play in a New Years Bowl, even as the second team from the B1G.

If he returns to Rutgers, I would certainly look for him to do things (especially on offense) that indicate that he is an improved coach. But I'm certainly not going to give him the benefit of the doubt. I think he did a great job taking a moribund program and bringing in respectability and excitement. But I also remember that after 2006, his regular season record was a frustrating 7-5, 7-5, 8-4, 4-8, 8-4. I really would prefer to take a chance on a coach with more upside.

 

[rutgersguy1]

I'm not even looking for a B10 championship or even B10 champ game appearance really. If we can be ranked more often than not which means at least 50% of the time then I'm satisfied. That likely will need .500 conference records etc...MSU/Wisconsin is our potential, everyone here agreed to it some said even more but pretty much everyone thought those 2. So be ranked 1/2 the time and I'm good with him, it's just I don't think he can do it.

My only hope is that he's surrounded himself with good staff and lets them do their jobs and that he's really changed. Thing is that's just a hope and there's not a line of reasoning that gets me there and I've given the reasoning why I think he's not a good choice but those points aren't refuted to change my mind. So if it's him I have no choice but to hope for the best but there's not something for me to say ok here's why I think he'll succeed.

 

[VW Knight]

Beat West Virginia, win the Big East, and win our BCS bowl

 

[SirScarlet]

win you over if he was hired? Obviously, he is pretty polarizing and many here either idolize or are against him with very little middle ground. For me, he would need to bring in some new staff. I get he might need to keep a few for cost, a few because they are good, but I don't want to see a retread of our entire 20011 staff. Second, I would like to see him hire a competent up tempo style OC that he could feasible leave alone to run the O. For example, Charlie Strong has always run a pro set but they are about to hire TCU's co OC. That shows growth as a coach.

I agree with you VK in terms of what he would need to do...I posted this on the RT and it applies here:

assuming he's willing to hire a top notch staff...I always though Greg was content being the "smartest" guy amongst his staff...I would want a guarantee that he would get the best guys we could afford...not guys who are going to genuflect to him

he does that, and that will show me that he has grown. I always said that wanting to be the smartest guy (vs. surrounding yourself with smarter guys) was one of his biggest - if not THE biggest - weakness. he does that and it will show me he has grown.

 

[strings74]

I think Schiano's return would actually be viewed pretty favorably on the national level.

I'm on the fence about it because I like the idea of a new stud coach coming in but I'd get behind it the minute Greg was announced.

 

[BaseballFan913]

He would have me at seeing his gap tooth smile.

My only concern is that I really don't want Olympic sports being raped to fund the football program. I get why it was done in 2001, but those days are over.

Julie did some good things with the Olympic sports. That needs to continue, which ultimately is Pat Hobbs' job.

GS 2.0 will be monster, I have no doubt. He is the one candidate who I see on this list that won't be intimidated by Meyer or Harbaugh in recruiting. With proper budgets, I am guessing he will bring in assistants he trusts to do their thing.

Mario Cristobal would make a nice DC.

Your answer is Delusion 1.0

 

[Caliknight]

Your answer is Delusion 1.0

I should post some inaccurate information to make my point. That might resonate.

 

[RUsojo]

Show me that gap tooth smile. That's all I need.

 

[lighty]

Schiano instantly gives the program an identity. Other than bringing in a guy like Richt, there aren't many who would IMO.

I think it's funny how many people can easily predict what our records would be each year with Schiano. We have no way of knowing that. There's no way to know for sure that he hasn't learned from the experience in the NFL, from his time off, from being fired. We have no way of knowing if the ability to recruit for a Big Ten team or having the NFL on his head coaching resume could make his recruiting reach new levels or if it would be the same as before.

Most people who predict his 7-8 game seasons as the ceiling simply have never liked him and aren't being honest. They're just imagining that people never learn and never change.

There's just no way to know what a second run would be. As many have said before, MOST college coaches fail in their first NFL job. But many return as better coaches. If we can't get or aren't interested in a guy like Richt, I think Schiano is the best candidate by far.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Those against Greg are still butthurt over him leaving for the NFL.
Get over it.

He's the best candidate for this job that is realistic.

 

[urbanecane]

Schiano with a legit OC and a Halfey-esque recruiting ace is a very intriguing scenario.

 

[RU31trap]

I don't care if it's Schiano, Saban or Meyer. In the end, the level of football success at Rutgers will ultimately come down to the administration and how much they want to pay and tolerate.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

I am against us hiring Schiano, but if he is hired, I would be 100% behind him. Just as I am highly critical of the Hobbs hire, but will fall in line and hope for the best.

Hopefully the new era will resolve some of the divisions in the fan base that we have had for the better part of 4 years now.

 

[Scarlet16E]

Based on the poll in another thread, the fans overwhelmingly favor Schiano. Over 50% for GS and the closest is Matt Ruhle with 18%. No one else comes close.

 

[RUChoppin]

I think the average fan (or the casual fan) remembers Schiano as being the guy that raised Rutgers from obscurity, being on the sideline when we beat Louisville and went 11-2 in 2006, and possibly his handling of the Eric LeGrand injury. He's overall a positive figure within the state and I think would have a lot of popular support if he were to return.

The more engaged fans have a bit more in depth understanding of his tenure, both pros and cons - and they come at it from different angles, based on their own priorities and perspectives. Some see all the positives, and none of the negatives. Some see all the negatives, and none of the positives. And the rest run the gamut in between.

I'd welcome him back, but would be a bit leery - cautiously optimistic. I would have full faith that we'd improve from this season, but I'd really hope that he refined his coaching style/philosophy since 2011 and would come back better than he left.