Yesterday an improving Vanderbilt team beat Florida and a piss poor Georgia Tech team beat UNC. When will RU win a game against a perceived superior team under Schiano? Even GS's first game against MSU turned out not to be that big a deal after that season was over.
When will this happen to RU?
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This has been part of my increasing frustration and morphing into indifference of when RU plays anyone ranked Orr remotely good. We haven’t even been competitive or within 3 scores of any of these teams beyond 5 min into the second half. And the sample size goes back now like 7 years. We haven’t even made games interesting
I normally say we are the Vanderbilt of the Big Ten but even that might be an improvement now.
Cherry picking 101. None of those teams are Top 10 teams. Beating MSU was equivalent if you have any water in your glass at all. It doesn’t even need to be half full for that one. Beating Purdue and Cuse were even close to those mediocre wins you just cherry picked.
Wrong.
Michigan 20 Rutgers 13 Sept. 25, 2021
Michigan 48 Rutgers 42 Nov. 21, 2020 in 3)T
What a dumb stretch on Georgia Tech- they beat Pitt and Duke this year. They have showed some life after firing their head coach early in the year.
And Vanderbilt beat a ranked Kentucky the week before. Apparently, their starting QB, Mike Wright, who was the starter at the beginning of the year who was benched for 7 games, got the start because the current starter was injured.
You get partial credit. 2021 Michigan was ranked 19th at the time . The 2020 team was 2-2 and unranked entering the game.
Unlikely to happen in this current regime.
If R. U. beat a name school like Florida it would be huge. R.U. fans would be pounding their chest saying the tide has turned.
And 3/4 of the board will say, "yeah but they suck this year"
Again grass is greener fans-- how did Szyracuse and Kansas do yesterday?? They were once the chosen ones.
Don’t forget Purdue and how great they were after 2 games because they can pass the ball.
We lost to a playoff team by 7 last year, and had some good chances to tie that game.
OP said- "when RU plays anyone ranked Orr remotely good" Not ranked.
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I posted some stats on it in the games thread but this is a blurb from the Athletic. I don’t expect them to beat Tenn to get bowl eligible but nice little two game win streak for them lol. Who knows if it leads to anything in succeeding years.
From the Athletic:
It’s been quite a couple of weeks for Vanderbilt (5-6, 2-5), which had gone three years without an SEC victory but has now won two in a row. This one was particularly satisfying: A 31-24 upset of Florida (6-5, 3-5), its first time beating the Gators at home since 1988. Clark Lea’s team is developing a physical rushing attack behind Temple transfer Ray Davis, who had his third consecutive 100-yard game. “This is a new era in Vanderbilt football,” Lea said. “This is a game where we can look back and see when the shift happened.”
🙄 None of those teams are Top 10? Neither is Penn State...they're 11. UNC was 13. Somehow that compares to beating unranked MSU (who ended up 5-6 that year?).
not going to happen as we're at 1% for Greg so saying it can't is different than it won't
That 2020 Michigan team was not good. Harbaugh could have been fired that year. The fact we lost 2020 still bothers me the most.
And that was probably Vedral’s best game ever at Rutgers. The kid has a weak arm but was gutsy as hell. Tried his best and we should be thankful to him for that.
This response works a lot better if Rutgers actually won.
“Hey look - those teams lost. They suck. Oh well we lost as well.”
As a poster who got absolutely lambasted and crucified for "defending" Flood and Ash a few years into to each of their tenures, I am not ready to throw in the towel. Schiano got Rutgers back to respectability once before, and he can do it again. But IMO, as we are seeing, it may not be a pretty ride. It will be like riding from Cape May to Alpine, NJ but riding through the worst sections of Atlantic City, Trenton, Newark, and Paterson to get there.
Let's take a look at year 3 (2003) of Schiano 1.0 for comparison:
5-7 record, 2-5 in conference.
Wins against horrific 1-11 Buffalo, 0-13 Army, and 1-11 Temple, as well as 8-5 Navy (Coached by Paul Johnson) and 6-6 Syracuse. Against 9 non-horrific teams, Rutgers averaged 30 pts/game (28, 48, 22, 19, 32, 31, 25, 10 and 24). Comparing 2022, take out the Wagner, Boston College and Temple games, and Rutgers has scored on average 13 points per game. Well, this comparison to year 3 of Schiano 1.0 already is not going so well, but I will plod on.
Our starting QB was a young Ryan Hart, who after his Freshman year (2002) going 51/111 (45.9%) with 2 TDs and 6 INTS in 2002, he stepped up in 2003 as a sophomore going 234/398 (58.8%) for 2714 yds, but 15 TDs/18 INTs. He did not have a positive TD/INT ratio until 2005, with that ratio being 17/19 in 2004.
On to 2004. Rutgers took a step back, going 4-7/1-5 in conference. Taking horrific Temple out, Rutgers averaged 23 points per game, worse than 2003, and a WTF loss to New Hampshire. Maybe the year would have been better if Ryan Hart had a better TD/INT ratio?
Gavin did not look great yesterday with quite a few bad throws, but there were miscommunications and drops too. That aside, he has 132 passing attempts, and is 60/32(45.5%) with 5 TDs and 7 INTs. These stats are eerily similar to Ryan Hart's freshman stats. (I don't want to hear yeah, but Gavin played last year, and he's not really a freshman-that's BS. He was a kid and had 21 passing attempts).
This has been brought up before. Mike Teel's freshman year, 2005, his stats were: 51/101 (50.5%,) 2 TDs and 10. INTs. Even in year 2, the magical 2006, Teel had 12 TDs and 13 INTs.
What does all this mean? I have no idea.
But I do think people need to lower their expectations and get a little more realistic in their criticism of Wimsatt, especially against Michigan (#2 defense in the nation) and Penn State (#14 defense in the nation). Wimsatt spent a lot of last night under pressure and on the run. Far from ideal for a freshman QB.
Frankly, I don't know if I can take another year like this year again next year. But I do think that either 2023 or 2024 we will take a step forward. Yeah, I said that, and it sucks. Thankfully, last night was much easier to to digest, as I spent most of the second half connecting with someone I had waited for quite a while to meet, and we got to know each other as the blood bath was going on in the background.
It's no secret that Rutgers needs to hit the portal hard for (1) a QB as either a starter or a serviceable backup (better than Vedral), WRs, TEs and more. We obviously don't have the talent to compete with the top 3 teams in the East and these game hurt a lot.
Onward/upward, and maybe sideways for bit. Keep chopping.
Second post coming on why there may be hope if we are patient. Stay tuned.
Well it doesn't work that way either. The accomplishment (6 wins and a bowl) still exists regardless of other losses or blowouts.
I said when Kansas was 5-0 they could lose the rest of their games and it would still be a good season for them given their history the last decade. They got 6 so that's a very good season for them despite being curb stomped yesterday by Texas, mind you they beat Texas the year prior in Austin as 1 of their 2 wins. KSU is playing for the B12 title game and they've looked really good with Howard as qb over Martinez, so I think it will be tough to notch 7 for Kansas.
Cuse's 6 wins is solid too but definitely some of the luster off when you start 6-0. They still have a decent shot at 7 since the last game is BC who is a MASH unit.
For both these teams I never change my predictions from 6-8 wins despite their fast starts because I know things can change, momentum can turn and injuries can happen.
nope it doesn't--the point was some dopes celebrated teams before the final verdicts---which is common for fair weather fans
Those teams are go bowling along with UCONN , Duke, Illinois, Oregon St., etc
It will be years before we sniff a Bowl if our Offense continues to be void of talent and a HC who lacks any Offense acumen.
I may bet on a BC win. Their freshman QB, Emmett Morehead (can't root against a guy with that name!) is a baller. He did great against NC State. We have seen the story- against tougher competition, Notre Dame, he had a bad game---(he sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)--no he does not. We shall see. We need BC to win to improve our strength of schedule. Temple and Wagner too! Indiana did us a solid this week. We win against Maryland, and we could go bowling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🥴
