I'm not including PeLLLLini, Rhule, Fuentes, Herrman, Schiano or Bill O'B, because you all need to just resign yourselves to the fact that it isn't going to happen.
Which REALISTIC candidate would you want?
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"you all need to" realize Kyle Flood is not going anywhere so all of these posts about what coach we want or should hire are meaningless
I disagree - schiano and rhule are realistic. That being said they wouldn't be my first choices.
I agree no chance at Fuentes or Herman. Is wish pelini was realistic.
If we hire fordhams head coach I'll cry. There's about 15 guys I would want in front of him.
I agree no chance at Fuentes or Herman. Is wish pelini was realistic.
If we hire fordhams head coach I'll cry. There's about 15 guys I would want in front of him.
Why is Golden on that list ?
We want a guy that couldn't win in the ACC with all of that talent that the U attracts to come to New Jersey and take us "to the next level" in the Big Ten ? Please.
Seriously. The most cringe worthy thin I have seen in all of this is that Julie was considering Golden as a viable option the last time around.
How about Jeff Brohm from Western Kentucky? JH must have some connection to him from his Louisville days. He's in his 2nd year as HC at WKU and his offense is scoring a ton of points. Coached under Petrino. A former QB at UL and in the NFL. Has college and NFL coaching experience and understands QB play. I don't know how he would fit culturally at RU. For the names on the list I would favor Arranda from Wisconsin, familiar with the B1G and seems to be a heck of a DC...with good, not great talent.
Matt Rhule only makes $648,633.
Flood makes $1,250,000.
Even if we offered $1.5 or $2 million that is a HUGE upgrade to what he makes now.The Big Boy school will not go after him, Maryland will not as well. He is only a great fit for Rutgers or Penn State and Penn State has their HC.
But, somehow Rhule is not realistic? What the hell are people smoking? I know that some (most) here are super down due to the season, but lets not get crazy!
Come on man...
Flood makes $1,250,000.
Even if we offered $1.5 or $2 million that is a HUGE upgrade to what he makes now.The Big Boy school will not go after him, Maryland will not as well. He is only a great fit for Rutgers or Penn State and Penn State has their HC.
But, somehow Rhule is not realistic? What the hell are people smoking? I know that some (most) here are super down due to the season, but lets not get crazy!
Come on man...
Golden is a good coach - maybe even a very good coach - but fit goes a long way toward determining the kind of success a coach will have a particular job. He was a terrible fit at Miami. I thought so the day he took the job. He tried to cast it in the image of Penn State, and that doesn't resonate with the recruiting pool he had to swim in down there. They (players, recruits, fans, etc.) never got him, and he wasn't able to adapt. I don't know if he wanted to; he seems like the kind of guy who has his style figured out, and is going to do what works for him. So he failed....
But I do think there are a number of jobs where he could excel, and I think Rutgers might be one of them. In terms of culture, personality and style, he's dead on. I know a lot of you don't like him, going wayyy back, because of recruiting issues, comments, Schiano, D'Onofrio, etc., but that's all ancient history now. I think he gets you, your style, the Big Ten's style, and New Jersey. He also is someone who isn't know for cutting corners and does things the right way. Isn't that the sort of thing you guys talk about here?
The career of a coach occurs along a continuum, where they grow and mature and improve. What might be your image of a coach at a certain point in time is not always going to be an accurate representation of that coach forever. Golden has done some good things, as an assistant and as head coach at Temple (he literally saved the program), and some bad things, such as trying to fit a square peg into a round hold in Coral Gables. Don't think he hasn't learned from all of it. He's still young - what, 46? - and know New Jersey intimately. I think Julie is nuts if she doesn't at least interview him for the job.
Don't get me wrong - I hope Fludd coaches there for another decade - but when he goes, if it's soon, Golden is a better match than most of the guys mentioned here.
But I do think there are a number of jobs where he could excel, and I think Rutgers might be one of them. In terms of culture, personality and style, he's dead on. I know a lot of you don't like him, going wayyy back, because of recruiting issues, comments, Schiano, D'Onofrio, etc., but that's all ancient history now. I think he gets you, your style, the Big Ten's style, and New Jersey. He also is someone who isn't know for cutting corners and does things the right way. Isn't that the sort of thing you guys talk about here?
The career of a coach occurs along a continuum, where they grow and mature and improve. What might be your image of a coach at a certain point in time is not always going to be an accurate representation of that coach forever. Golden has done some good things, as an assistant and as head coach at Temple (he literally saved the program), and some bad things, such as trying to fit a square peg into a round hold in Coral Gables. Don't think he hasn't learned from all of it. He's still young - what, 46? - and know New Jersey intimately. I think Julie is nuts if she doesn't at least interview him for the job.
Don't get me wrong - I hope Fludd coaches there for another decade - but when he goes, if it's soon, Golden is a better match than most of the guys mentioned here.
Maybe Greg Brown will call Julie and say "Get Bo Pelini for next season, and I'll pay for whatever it costs in excess of Kyle's contract".
One can dream.. it's not likely, but not impossible either. I have hopes our big time donors will intervene in this downward spiral at some point.
One can dream.. it's not likely, but not impossible either. I have hopes our big time donors will intervene in this downward spiral at some point.
I was looking at old data. But even if we went cheap and only paid him Big East money which is $2.200,000 that is still a lot more than what he gets paid now.
Schiano made $2.2 Million at Rutgers to compare.
Here are the criteria.
Program builder - Great organizational skills and willing to speak truth to power.
Vision - Understand the ceiling of RU football which is the National Championship and communicate that.
Great Recruiter - Understands that the State of Rutgers stretches from sea to shining sea.
Great 'x' and 'o's - Out coach your opponents on a consistent basis.
Program builder - Great organizational skills and willing to speak truth to power.
Vision - Understand the ceiling of RU football which is the National Championship and communicate that.
Great Recruiter - Understands that the State of Rutgers stretches from sea to shining sea.
Great 'x' and 'o's - Out coach your opponents on a consistent basis.
This really makes me question her ability to hire. She hasn't done it before so there is zero track record, and when you hear this, it is very concerning.
Wouldn't be so sure about Schiano not being a consideration.
I say fire up the chopper and let's go.
Willie Fritz. Spread option inovovator. Cheap. Allows us to be competitive every year. Why continue playing the same game against OSU, Mich and PSU, and at the same time getting the left over players.
The problem with Golden is it is now clear Rhule was a large part of puzzle when looking at the "success" he had at Temple. It's especially evident after his failure to win with better talent in conference with only two other good teams. If you don't believe the above to be the case - then you believe it is easy to win at temple.
Well, I know wining isn't easy at Temple, but I know it's gotten a lot easier since the university decided to support athletics in general, and football in particular. Up until 10 years ago, you had a president there determined to do away with football altogether - he was on the record as such - but since his departure, you can see the difference.
I love Rhule, and think he's a terrific coach, but he'll be the first to tell you that 75 percent of what he's doing is what they did under Al Golden at Temple. Golden also has spoken to Rhule about the importance of fit. It's easy to look at his Miami record and dismiss him, but these seasons don't unfold in a vacuum. These are real people coaching and playing, and sometimes, because real personalities are involved, they don't always respond the right way to each other. It's silly to think this all happens on paper, without unknown variables.
I love Rhule, and think he's a terrific coach, but he'll be the first to tell you that 75 percent of what he's doing is what they did under Al Golden at Temple. Golden also has spoken to Rhule about the importance of fit. It's easy to look at his Miami record and dismiss him, but these seasons don't unfold in a vacuum. These are real people coaching and playing, and sometimes, because real personalities are involved, they don't always respond the right way to each other. It's silly to think this all happens on paper, without unknown variables.
We should change the name of this thread to the "Do Julie's Job For Her".
Is 54-year old Rick Neuheisel a candidate anywhere? He's been a head coach at Colorado, Washington, and UCLA (overall record 87-59). Capable of pulling together an interesting staff. Lots of media savvy. Articulate guy who might have a recruiting reach beyond the State of Rutgers. He might even have a remote Rutgers connection. Didn't ex-Rutgers president McCormick have something to do with the hiring (or was it firing?) of Neuheisel at Washington?
I think a good poll would be what type of offensive identity would everyone want. And what can we recruit the best.
Pass / spread air raid concepts. Babers / Brohm / maybe Moglia
Or more Oregon run spread / pistol concepts. Willie fritz.
Or pro style / better defense / blocked kicks that we currently have.
Pass / spread air raid concepts. Babers / Brohm / maybe Moglia
Or more Oregon run spread / pistol concepts. Willie fritz.
Or pro style / better defense / blocked kicks that we currently have.
Schiano is realstic. Bo Pelini makes like 250k. He is too.
I would take any of the others besides Golden.
#FloodMustGo
I would take any of the others besides Golden.
#FloodMustGo
The problem is not that we couldnt afford him - its that because winning at Temple is perceived as impossible (despite each of the previous two coaches doing so - and neither going on to have success at their next stop), there will be a big market for him - basically we will not overpay as much as someone else will for him. Similar reasoning for Herman - if we were the only team on the market, we could afford to pay him alot more than he makes now - its just that we arent the only team.
Right now, we are probably behind USC, USc, MD, VT, and Miami on the pecking order (either because they will pay more, or they are just more attractive or both.) So take the top five movable coaches and assume that they are off the list to get a decent feel for who we realisitcally have a shot at.
I still like our chances after the 5 or so who are left. Lots of good choices. Also we might be an easier sell than Miami in terms of on campus stadium and better fan support.
Record last 5 years as college coach
Greg Schiano 38-26
Al Golden 36-26
Take out the bowls
Greg Schiano 34-26
Al Golden 36-24
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We might - but I tend to think a coach is going to look at the two and think
a) its much much easier to recruit at Miami than RU
b) its easier to win the whole ACC than the Big Ten East.
Basically, the path to a BCS level bowl game is alot easier from Miami than Piscataway.
I was a Cristobal fan, until he played us for more money.
He would bail on us in a Miami minute. Well, one season anyway, if an SEC school came calling. No thanks, Mario.
