Your top 5 replacements for head coach
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We're in a forest, and it's really dark right now. Only one man can lead us out of this mess.
Grab and Axe and Chop!
1. Knows the recruiting landscape
2. Fewer home invasions and arrests
3. Unlikely to break school or NCAA rules
4. Will micromanage the program back to shape
5. Will clean house
6. Will create a buzz with the national media, the local media and with recruits
7. Will restore the program to the antediluvian glory we once enjoyed.
Grab and Axe and Chop!
1. Knows the recruiting landscape
2. Fewer home invasions and arrests
3. Unlikely to break school or NCAA rules
4. Will micromanage the program back to shape
5. Will clean house
6. Will create a buzz with the national media, the local media and with recruits
7. Will restore the program to the antediluvian glory we once enjoyed.
1. Nick Saban
2. Urban Meyer
3. Brian Kelly
4. Mark D'Antonio
5. Les Miles
2. Urban Meyer
3. Brian Kelly
4. Mark D'Antonio
5. Les Miles
God damn. I knew it. I knew it would happen. You clowns calling for Schiano. We need a complete overhaul in culture. He plateaued here. He never was going to do more with us. He left. Don't be so despirate.
You know, I'd like to have my high school girlfriend one more time too, but she's a fat pig now.
Time to get over the Schiano love. Move ahead.
Time to get over the Schiano love. Move ahead.
Current Salary:
Golden 2.5 mil
Ruyle 1.5 mil
Fleck 1 mil
Going to have to double what they make to come to RU. Where are we getting that money from?? No way we are paying 2 mill + for a coach! That's a pipe dream! We are still way in the red and just don't have the money. We are stuck with Flood!
Golden 2.5 mil
Ruyle 1.5 mil
Fleck 1 mil
Going to have to double what they make to come to RU. Where are we getting that money from?? No way we are paying 2 mill + for a coach! That's a pipe dream! We are still way in the red and just don't have the money. We are stuck with Flood!
Why the hell would we want Golden?
Yes, he pulled us out of the depths but took it as far as he could. When he realized he wouldn't ever win a conference championship here, he bolted in the night with pretty much everything/everyone that wasn't nailed down...except for Flood. I pray he goes to Miami so we can start talking about real options....
If we make a change Tom Herman/Justin Fuente are the top tier but likely out of reach for us now. You got to try and sniff them out before they blow up.
Next tier after is Doug Meacham TCU OC 350K salary or Dave Aranda Wisconsin DC (provided he installs a spread) 550K salary. If by some chance we could snag both in some combination of HC/coordinator that would be ideal. Dino Babers just a shade behind those 2.
Next tier after is Doug Meacham TCU OC 350K salary or Dave Aranda Wisconsin DC (provided he installs a spread) 550K salary. If by some chance we could snag both in some combination of HC/coordinator that would be ideal. Dino Babers just a shade behind those 2.
As much as I find this thread distasteful, I give the posters credit for naming coaches with head coaching experience for the hire. In the Big Ten, it wouldn't hurt for the head coach to hire assistants, too, who have a resume that includes the appropriate track record. We need to stop hiring lightweights and position-in-training people. Hire those on the way up.
Memphis HC
Temple HC
Hudson HC
Baylor OC
Northern Illinois HC
Those are my top picks in no order.
I could name 5 more..
Temple HC
Hudson HC
Baylor OC
Northern Illinois HC
Those are my top picks in no order.
I could name 5 more..
With Golden at the helm, do you think we'd be worse than 3-5 right now?!?
He's got a fat buyout from Miami, would come cheap & would love to be back in NJ, and would be a kick ass recruiter.
Give him a 5 year incentive laden contract where the buyout drops in year 3. Sheeee. When the b10 $ kicks in, we either keep or kick.
Yikes. I'd serioulsy consider giving up my tickets if we hired Golden. Fuente & Rhule may likely be out of our budget. As long as we're being unrealistic, Herman should be on top of any list & add Campbell, Martin, Meacham & Frost to the discussion.
People narrow down the names too much by using HC experience as an automatic disqualifier. I've named many coaches in the past who were coordinators in the first job and their track record both good and bad is the same as coaches with HC experience. The thing is not to just name any coordinators out there, it's to look at things on a case by case basis and figure out does this guy have the potential to make the step up.
Dan Mullen/Mark Richt/Jimbo Fisher/Gary Patterson/Mark Helfrich/Chip Kelly/David Shaw/Charlie Strong/Bret Bielema/Bob Stoops/Mike Gundy/Bobby Petrino/Mark Dantonio/Gus Malzahn/Kyle Whittingham
These guys were all coordinators and they are solid to good coaches. There are others who failed as well. Same for mid major HCs with experience. My point is I don't find it to be any better or worse and I wouldn't be narrowing my pool of candidates just based on that. Take it on a case by case basis of what each prospective coach has done in his career.
Forget Rhule and Fuentes. There are already more attractive jobs open for those 2 guys. Maybe for Fleck and the NIU guy too. I'll go with:
- any high school coach
- any JUCO coach
- any D3 coach
- any D2 coach
- any FCS coach
...with a CLUE as to what is going on, both on and off the field, over Flood.
- any high school coach
- any JUCO coach
- any D3 coach
- any D2 coach
- any FCS coach
...with a CLUE as to what is going on, both on and off the field, over Flood.
Golden is a great recuriter but his defenses stink. He would have to come paired with a really good DC. Not his buddy from Miami.
Baylor OC is Kendal Briles (Art Briles' son) he just got elevated after Montgomery left to Tulsa. Don't want him yet, he doesn't have enough experience.
Wouldn't want Rhule anyway. He's not done it long enough and his stats during his coordinator days at Temple weren't good. Need to see more consistency of results. He's having a good year no doubt but it could just be a flash in the pan for all we know and his coordinator days don't back it up either.
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Why in the hell would you want Al Golden? If he brings D'Onofrio with him, you are destined to be bad. Not sure why you would want Fickell either. I don't think you could get Fuente, Ruhle or Herman but it probably depends on what other jobs open up.
Not for nothing, but if Schiano stays we win the AAC in 2012 without having to rely on officials in the last game of the year. REAL TALK.
He prob shouldn't be at the top of the list but compare the two and Flood makes Golden look like Urban Meyer. He would be an upgrade in everything that Flood does starting with recruiting.
Holy hell, no way!?! Seriously? You know this as fact? Did you go back in time and convince him to stay just to see it happen??
Btw just a little more info on Dave Aranda I posted before but in case you missed it.
He was DC at Hawaii for a bit and while the stats weren't the greatest for defense they did very well with turnovers caused and interceptions IIRC.
He was hired by Gary Andersen at Utah State and in the year he was there they had a top 15 defense in a few categories and 7 and 8 in scoring and pass efficiency. They had mediocre or worse numbers in Andersen's first 3 years there. The year he was hired Andersen got Utah State ranked and won 11 games. Coincidence? I'm sure it helped.
At Wisconsin they had good defenses before Aranda, around top 15-20 but he's improved on that and made them top 5-10.
They're not running a spread in Wisconsin but they ran one at Utah State and most likely at Hawaii so I don't think it's out of the question that he might choose that type of offense.
His demeanor isn't one of a yeller/screamer as you might see with other DCs out there. He seems a lot more positive and even keel. Could be a defensive version of David Shaw at Stanford. I'd be very happy if you could pair him with a top spread OC. I think it would make a good combo. Meacham only makes 350K and if not him maybe his co OC Sonny Cumbie. I'm sure there are others out there as well.
Article on him I posted earlier:
http://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/...dinator-aranda-a-skilled-coach-teacher-111114
He was DC at Hawaii for a bit and while the stats weren't the greatest for defense they did very well with turnovers caused and interceptions IIRC.
He was hired by Gary Andersen at Utah State and in the year he was there they had a top 15 defense in a few categories and 7 and 8 in scoring and pass efficiency. They had mediocre or worse numbers in Andersen's first 3 years there. The year he was hired Andersen got Utah State ranked and won 11 games. Coincidence? I'm sure it helped.
At Wisconsin they had good defenses before Aranda, around top 15-20 but he's improved on that and made them top 5-10.
They're not running a spread in Wisconsin but they ran one at Utah State and most likely at Hawaii so I don't think it's out of the question that he might choose that type of offense.
His demeanor isn't one of a yeller/screamer as you might see with other DCs out there. He seems a lot more positive and even keel. Could be a defensive version of David Shaw at Stanford. I'd be very happy if you could pair him with a top spread OC. I think it would make a good combo. Meacham only makes 350K and if not him maybe his co OC Sonny Cumbie. I'm sure there are others out there as well.
Article on him I posted earlier:
http://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/...dinator-aranda-a-skilled-coach-teacher-111114
We have to use HC experience as a qualifier. All of the examples you cited are guys with big time credentials, groomed for a head job, who would never realistically consider Rutgers. At this point, we need to consider someone like the Toledo head coach ... That is, if he would give us a look.
I don't agree with that at all. Is Miss St some top job in the SEC? Mullen went there. Louisville? Strong went there. Pitt where Narduzzi is now. Herman took a job at Houston? Are we not better than Houston really? Fuente went to Memphis my god. Jim McElwain the Alabama OC at the time went to CSU. Kevin Wilson the OU OC at the time to Indiana.
We're a B10 job in a solid recruiting ground and a good market and you think a coordinator wouldn't take this job? You're underestimating us by a lot of how attractive this job would be to most coordinators and mid major coaches. Are we at the top of the food chain, hell no. But we're not at the bottom either and would be an attractive job to most coordinators and mid major coaches.
I mentioned Herman 2 years ago when everyone was on Narduzzi during that whole USF last game episode. No one here even discussed him after I put up all his stats and background. We could have easily gotten him then. Now he's blown up and likely out of our reach. It's hard for us to get the guys who blow up like that but before they do so we definitely can get most of them.
Martin has a good background, but I need more than 3-18 at Miami Ohio before I'd touch him.
Big fan of Campbell, but I don't like the fact that he has no experience as a coordinator. I really think anybody we bring in needs to be able to run one side of the ball if necessary. I'd add Babers to the list.
Toledo HC
Marshall HC
Both are way better than Flood.
But not my 1st choices. But would be an upgrade from what we have now.
Marshall HC
Both are way better than Flood.
But not my 1st choices. But would be an upgrade from what we have now.
I generally agree with this but again it depends, like I said case by case basis. Babers' offense had Garaffalo (sp) at Eastern Illinois who went onto the NFL and now Matt Johnson at Bowling Green. So he's done it with 2 qbs so I like that. He's getting the offense to perform. My issue with him and the reason I have him behind the others on that 2nd tier is because he hasn't delivered mediocre results on the defensive side of the ball. He inherited a defense in the top 15 or so from Clawson and it's gone down a lot like above 100 last year and about 90 the last time I looked to date this season.
I want the spread but you have to deliver a mediocre defense or it'll eventually catch up to you or you become Indiana. Sometimes your offense might be so good to even overcome lousy defense but more times than not I think you get hurt by it. Just give me mediocre (top 50-65) defense with at top 15 or so offense and I'm good. Babers hasn't delivered on that end of it so that bumps him down a little for me.
Coordinators rarely (if ever) get P5 jobs as their first HC experience. A guy like Narduzzi gets it because he was THE guy. Kirby Smart will get it (and should consider us) because he is THE guy right now. Dave Aranda, guys like that are not the #1 names out there. Honestly, those guys should consider themselves lucky if we come calling.
Greg Schiano
At worse...he would leave us the program in very solid shape with mid level bowl games and something to be proud off...and in 5 to 10 years, the next guy, with full big ten money and more program improvements would have a chance
That's the worse case....
And there is upside
We have a mess to clean up
Lowest risk...with potential upside
I am worried that he isn't interested though
At worse...he would leave us the program in very solid shape with mid level bowl games and something to be proud off...and in 5 to 10 years, the next guy, with full big ten money and more program improvements would have a chance
That's the worse case....
And there is upside
We have a mess to clean up
Lowest risk...with potential upside
I am worried that he isn't interested though
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