Bronny James Cardiac Arrest
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I'm not a fan of LeBron and think Bronny was overhyped because of his dad, but DAMN.... that's crazy and I wish him well and hope he makes a full and quick recovery.
Terrible. Lucky he was on campus at USC so he got help immediately. He may not be here today if was just playing pick up in a random park. Hopefully we can find out what caused this.
Interesting! But that is deaths only it seems. There are plenty of arrests without death.
The guy who tweeted (X'ed?) that has ton of info on this
"Topline: MOST cardiac arrest deaths of young people occur in athletes, participating in training or sports."
I meant I would like to see the percentages last few years ( post vaccine) of cardiac incidents in males under 25, not just deaths (compared to pre-vaccine)
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90% of OHCA - Out of Hospital Cardiac Arrests - are fatal
It seems safe to assume that 16-25-year-olds would be < 90% and the older the higher the percentage
Agreed it would be more infomative on the subject to have that by year - something like males 16-25, no comorbidities.
From a few searches there seems to be little data on OHCA overall.
They already caused the one thread to get locked
As I posted in the other thread on this, first off, yes there were increased heart disease deaths and sudden cardiac arrest deaths during 2020 and early 2021, but they're almost entirely due to COVID (vaccines weren't widely available yet), which has profound effects on the circulatory system, given its entry into cells via Angiotensin-converting enzyme 2, which is an enzyme and also a functional receptor on cell surfaces through which SARS-CoV-2 enters the host cells, especially in the heart, kidneys, and lungs.
Both cardiac deaths of all kinds and sudden cardiac deaths in people aged 15-39 increased dramatically in early 2020, coinciding with the pandemic and these deaths peaked just before the rollout of the COVID vaccines and these kinds of deaths are now finally on their way back down, since the vast majority of people are now vaccinated and not impacted nearly as seriously by COVID. The graphics below are from the CDC (and on the 2nd graphic, the 1st dashed line is the start of the COVID pandemic and the second dashed line is the introduction of COVID vaccines).
And with regard to sudden cardiac deaths in athletes, about 20-25 HS/college athletes die each year from this while playing competitive sports, as per the study linked in the article below (which is not inconsistent with the ~300 or so cardiac deaths in all young people each year - the 20-25 number is for HS/college athletes only) and that number has not gone up since the vaccines were widely deployed. It's certainly tragic, but it's not new - only the breathless reporting on each new tragic event, implying vaccines are to blame is new - and wrong, of course.
https://www.factcheck.org/2023/01/s...s-contrary-to-widespread-anti-vaccine-claims/
Finally, with regard to the COVID vaccines, the level of misinformation out there is mind boggling. No, the vaccines have not caused any sudden deaths from myocarditis (a rare vaccine side effect from the mRNA vaccines which is almost always reversible - and myocarditis is far more frequent from COVID infection), despite the completely unproven and debunked videos circulating that say they do (there are no actual peer reviewed scientific papers showing any such thing).
https://www.healthcentral.com/condi...4Yj-tyLX5bLz2divixQpBTGc05vIoGydnjDP2vZwQg6eI
Both cardiac deaths of all kinds and sudden cardiac deaths in people aged 15-39 increased dramatically in early 2020, coinciding with the pandemic and these deaths peaked just before the rollout of the COVID vaccines and these kinds of deaths are now finally on their way back down, since the vast majority of people are now vaccinated and not impacted nearly as seriously by COVID. The graphics below are from the CDC (and on the 2nd graphic, the 1st dashed line is the start of the COVID pandemic and the second dashed line is the introduction of COVID vaccines).
And with regard to sudden cardiac deaths in athletes, about 20-25 HS/college athletes die each year from this while playing competitive sports, as per the study linked in the article below (which is not inconsistent with the ~300 or so cardiac deaths in all young people each year - the 20-25 number is for HS/college athletes only) and that number has not gone up since the vaccines were widely deployed. It's certainly tragic, but it's not new - only the breathless reporting on each new tragic event, implying vaccines are to blame is new - and wrong, of course.
https://www.factcheck.org/2023/01/s...s-contrary-to-widespread-anti-vaccine-claims/
Finally, with regard to the COVID vaccines, the level of misinformation out there is mind boggling. No, the vaccines have not caused any sudden deaths from myocarditis (a rare vaccine side effect from the mRNA vaccines which is almost always reversible - and myocarditis is far more frequent from COVID infection), despite the completely unproven and debunked videos circulating that say they do (there are no actual peer reviewed scientific papers showing any such thing).
https://www.healthcentral.com/condi...4Yj-tyLX5bLz2divixQpBTGc05vIoGydnjDP2vZwQg6eI
^^ long post with facts followed by a reply based on things one heard online.
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This is the world we live in now, I guess.
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This is the world we live in now, I guess.
It is around here. All kids get ecg from 6th grade up. They don’t specify vax or not.
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You need to read more before posting. ECGs are routinely required before participation in athletics in HS in Europe to assess risks of sudden cardiac death and the presence of other abnormalities and while the US doesn't generally require ECGs in this way, many states and school districts have decided on their own to require them. ECGs are required for NBA/NFL athletes (and most other pro athletes) and while the NCAA doesn't mandate them (they almost did), many schools/conferences (like the PAC-12) do require them for high intenstiy sports.
To be fair, the incidence of sudden cardiac death, while significantly greater in elite athletes (especially male) than in the general population, is still very low, so there are economic considerations of widespread EKG screening, plus the risks of false positives inaccurately discouraging athletic participation. This is nothing new, although it is definitely true that infection with SARS-CoV-2 results in a much greater risk of myocarditis than the vaccines do (wehre it's a very rare and reversible side effect).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4497984/
https://www.healio.com/news/cardiol...entathletes-at-risk-for-sudden-cardiac-arrest
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/opinion/ekg-screening-for-college-athletes.html
Plus it’s a risk with many viruses and vaccines. So far the vaccine is tracking similar to other vaccines. I’ve had myocarditis, so did my nephew and cousin. This was well before Covid. People need to stop with all this nonsense.
link?
if you are referencing the year old study from below article, it actually shows that you are not even reading them. that study only used vaccinated people. it shows if you get covid after vaccination you have higher risk for myoc. the study does NOT include unvaccinated people.
COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than vaccines
The overall risk of myocarditis was higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than in the weeks after vaccination for the coronavirus, new research shows.
Well, it's well known that SARS-CoV-2 infection greatly increases myocarditis risks relative to those uninfected or those who were vaccinated, as per countless studies. The study below showed this for over 40MM people in the UK, where infection was 11 times more likely to lead to myocarditis than vaccination in the overall population.
https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/...isk of myocarditis,new study in England shows.
For young men, it is known that myocarditis is a rare side effect of COVID vaccination, but the risks of myocarditis from second doses of mRNA vaccines, for example (higher than for first dose, given that the myocarditis appears to be due to immune response leading to inflammation), is still less than half the risk of getting myocarditis in young men from infection. Also, the myocarditis cases observed after vaccination were generally more mild with faster recovery than cases observed after infection. Given lesser myocarditis risks/severity (relative to infection), combined with the obvious vaccination benefits of reducing infection and especially reducing infection severity/death, vaccinations are still a no-brainer for young men.
https://www.statnews.com/2023/05/05/myocarditis-covid-vaccines-study/
this guy walks you through interesting study
so the UK study used vaccinated AND unvaccinated people in their study? no, they did not.
do you see an issue with them using only vaccinated subjects?
The "infection" cohort is constructed without regard to vax status. (as though they wouldn't overlap)
So what they are really showing is is vax + infection = even worse. no kidding!!
From a footnote in the paper: "The cohorts were not mutually exclusive; persons vaccinated and infected could be in both vaccination and infection cohorts."
And on top of this, they did a 30-day post-jab exclusion for the "vaccinated" cohort. The study is not only not designed to answer the question, it's a shell game designed to lie about the answer to the question
almost to the day when Reggie Lewis collapsed and died from the same condition.
It’s useless trying to prove your point with these people. They have probably have had their 5 boosters too. Can you imagine? Dear Lord.
Lol at all the guys who completely dismissed myocarditis when it came to Covid and the 20/21 B1G football season now cowering in their panties because they think it supports their anti-vax fantasies.
At this point, just don't get the vax, bros. No one cares anymore.
At this point, just don't get the vax, bros. No one cares anymore.
i even predicted what study he would point to and link BEFORE he posted it. then he did post it, like the good little sheep that he is. RU#s should instead focus on self quoting himself in 7 paragraph defecations from three years ago for that pat on the back he craves so much from strangers on the internet.
Already released from the hospital . Seems like a quick turnaround within 2 days of cardiac arrest and a near death episode. Kid should thank not only those on scene but the B1G man above. Sounds like he was suffering from dehydration and heat stroke. Be thankful young man for this miraculous recovery many aren’t so fortunate.
Canceling the athletic seasons was maybe the biggest error is sports history. It was based on fear not facts. Not one student athlete had any issues with covid. It was a complete disaster and anyone who thought it was a good ideas or still thinks it was a good ideas should be forced into exile never to be seen again.
The problem with myocarditis with vaccines is a**holes were forcing perfectly healthy kids with zero risk to covid to get the vax which put them at more risk than actual covid. It was a complete disgrace.
The same people who made these decisions are the same people who wanted more ventilators intimately costing people their life.
You're ridiculously wrong. While the risks from COVID are far lower for children/teens, but well above zero and comparable to influenza. Specifically, from the CDC, quoted in the article below, "for every 1 million male teens -- the highest risk group -- an estimated 5,700 will get COVID, 215 will wind up in the hospital and two kids will die." This is relative to maybe 30-50 cases of transient, mild myocarditis, so the benefits still far outweigh the risks.
Keeping schools closed until vaccines were widely available in Spring 2021 was the right call, since young people in schools would've sent COVID case rates skyrocketing, along with deaths. Having said that, I think many areas kept schools closed too long - once everyone who wanted to be vaccinated could be (especially vulnerable people), then I think schools should have reopened.
https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/...dc-vaccines-safer-young-people-risks-78447874
And if you want to get an earful on your ridiculous assertions about ventilators, perhaps our own @LETSGORU91 an MD with first hand experience during the worst days of COVID in 2020, can enlighten you, surely better than I could.
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