Edit: NVM. I guess it's OK lol. Announced attendance 52,454 (Capacity). Edit: 425 people found their tix..now 52,879
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This argument reminds me of people who don't understand the difference between "income" and "cashflow". When you are 9 years old and running a lemonade stand, they are the same thing. But when you are an adult, running a business, you know they are not the same.
Just like "income" is defined by accounting rules, "Paid Attendance" and "Actual Attendance" are defined by NCAA rules, specifically NCAA Division 1 Operating Bylaw 20.10.9.3. Paid attendance and actual attendance are both counts of attendance, but they are not the same.
If you don't like the NCAA's definition, complain to the NCAA. But stop accusing universities of doing something nefarious for following well-established, well-published NCAA rules. It makes you sound like a child running a lemonade stand.
Below is an explanation of the rules that I posted in September.
Just like "income" is defined by accounting rules, "Paid Attendance" and "Actual Attendance" are defined by NCAA rules, specifically NCAA Division 1 Operating Bylaw 20.10.9.3. Paid attendance and actual attendance are both counts of attendance, but they are not the same.
If you don't like the NCAA's definition, complain to the NCAA. But stop accusing universities of doing something nefarious for following well-established, well-published NCAA rules. It makes you sound like a child running a lemonade stand.
Below is an explanation of the rules that I posted in September.
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You don’t show up often these days, but when you do, it’s worthwhile.
Is this really what keeps you up at night? Actual attendance versus reported attendance.
Yeah. Partly because as @Knight Shift said, Rutgers won a stunning comeback today, and instead of reveling in the win, this is what we get.
I don't even believe that. How many were given away?
Not in the real world. And I say this as somebody who has been covering pro sports for 30 years. MLB hasn't done turnsiles since 1992. Neither does NBA or NFL. That is a bygone era. (I've never covered an NHL game, and I don't speak on things I know nothing about)
Many season ticket holders did not show up due to the terrible weather, but their numbers still count as paid attendance. This is how the NCAA reporting works, so the number reported by Rutgers is accurate. Just enjoy the win or complain to the NCAA if you don’t like their methodology. No need to chastise Rutgers for this.
I will actually say i was quite impressed with the turnout despite the miserable forecast and coming off a loss. At its peak in 1st Q there were more than Wagner and a good student showing. Overall more than 50% full so 28/30k ish if not more from others standing on the concourse … can’t blame anyone who left early
Why does it matter to you so much? Who freaking cares except a handful of complainers?
The English language is more important than what sports teams say. They don't have the power to change the meaning of words.
Some people care about the actual game — others care about the color of the uniforms, if there was enough hot coco, or I guess the attendance reporting numbers. Haha.
Do understand the concept of tickets distributed to 3rd Party Ticket Brokers but not ultimately sold ?
Unsold tickets are certainly refunded by Rutgers after the event. Not a sell out.
To my mind the only number that should be announced is people who walked into the stadium. Other numbers don't matter to fans and players, only accountants and PR people, maybe.
3rd party brokers like stubhub?
Why would Rutgers refund them? What's your source on that? They probably sell them to StubHub for cheap, but they're still selling them. You're saying every single ticket sold to StubHub for them to resell is refunded? Highly highly doubt that.
Because I'm not interested in being propagandized to. If someone is going to release data, any normal person would desire that it be correct information.
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I would wager than no event ever has actually been "sold out" with 100% attendance.
Even Taylor Swift concerts.
I guarantee that at least one empty seat from someone who couldn't make it, got in an accident on the way, life event came up.
Why does this bother some people so much?. No one is claiming this is the amount of people in the stadium. It is just the amount of tickets distributed.
We need context on what part of the game was that taken
Could have been the last few minutes
Of course it could have been. Michigan also had a large chunk of their student section empty this week. Yet, they announced a sell out. It is just how schools do it now a days.
Bad examples.
stadiums that were pretty full but students and other fans left early is different than half the crowd not even going into the stadium
