Next Years Lineup

[JudgeSmails56]

What are we looking like for next year?

125-Peterson
133-Shawver
141-Olivieri
149-Cetta
157-Clark/Harer/Condomitti
165-Clark/Harer/Condomitti
174-Turley? Will he return?
184-Soldano
197-Poz
285-O'Donnell

Are we expecting any impact transfers? Am I missing anyone? Is that even a top 25 team at Nationals with the loss of Yara's points?

 

[SCNJ]

Yara hasn’t even left yet. All we know is he entered the portal which just means people can talk to him, but he also said he plans on returning to Rutgers. The rumor about him signing with Michigan seems to be bogus at this point.

 

[JudgeSmails56]

Hopefully your're right on Yara, but I don't see him returning. And I don't know where were finding a decent replacement if he doesn't return.

 

[PessimisticallyHopefulPragmatist]

Hopefully your're right on Yara, but I don't see him returning. And I don't know where were finding a decent replacement if he doesn't return.

Does he continue practicing with the team, or is entering the portal also a departure from the team?

 

[Bethemanandlegen]

What are we looking like for next year?

125-Peterson
133-Shawver
141-Olivieri
149-Cetta
157-Clark/Harer/Condomitti
165-Clark/Harer/Condomitti
174-Turley? Will he return?
184-Soldano
197-Poz
285-O'Donnell

Are we expecting any impact transfers? Am I missing anyone? Is that even a top 25 team at Nationals with the loss of Yara's points?

125- Peterson/ Gibson
133- Shawver
141 - Olivieri
149- clark
157 - Harer
165 - white/ condomitti
174 - turley
184 - Soldano
197- poz
Hwt - Yara

 

[UnderHooks]

125- Peterson/ Gibson
133- Shawver
141 - Olivieri
149- clark
157 - Harer
165 - white/ condomitti
174 - turley
184 - Soldano
197- poz
Hwt - Yara

I like that lineup, but can Clark get to 49? Has that been a discussion?

 

[Bethemanandlegen]

I like that lineup, but can Clark get to 49? Has that been a discussion?

Yes he is going 149

 

[Bethemanandlegen]

125- Peterson/ Gibson
133- Shawver
141 - Olivieri
149- clark
157 - Harer
165 - white/ condomitti
174 - turley
184 - Soldano
197- poz
Hwt - Yara

As far as ncaa team
Points realistic look would be

125 Peterson/gibson ncaa 1-12
133 Shawver ncaa 1-6
141 Oliveri ncaa 6-16
149 Clark ncaa 6-16
157 Harer ncaa 1-12
165 white/ condomitti 12-24
174 turley 6-16
184 Soldano 6-16
197 poz 3-12
Hwt yara 3-12.

Could be a great year

 

[KidDagger]

As far as ncaa team
Points realistic look would be

125 Peterson/gibson ncaa 1-12
133 Shawver ncaa 1-6
141 Oliveri ncaa 6-16
149 Clark ncaa 6-16
157 Harer ncaa 1-12
165 white/ condomitti 12-24
174 turley 6-16
184 Soldano 6-16
197 poz 3-12
Hwt yara 3-12.

Could be a great year

So ur saying realistically we could have 9 AA as a best case scenario 🤔

 

[Bethemanandlegen]

So ur saying realistically we could have 9 AA as a best case scenario 🤔

Do I think it will happen probably not but……. They all stay healthy they are good enough too. What’s your thoughts?

 

[biochemist01]

As far as ncaa team
Points realistic look would be

125 Peterson/gibson ncaa 1-12
133 Shawver ncaa 1-6
141 Oliveri ncaa 6-16
149 Clark ncaa 6-16
157 Harer ncaa 1-12
165 white/ condomitti 12-24
174 turley 6-16
184 Soldano 6-16
197 poz 3-12
Hwt yara 3-12.

Could be a great year

We've had 10 NQs once. This is a fantasy.

 

[KidDagger]

Do I think it will happen probably not but……. They all stay healthy they are good enough too. What’s your thoughts?

There are too many question marks rn.. imo.. did Olivieri improve over RS if so how much? Is Clark healthy and how will he adjust to 149.. rn no indication these two are low AA lvl…

We will basically know how good Harer will be once he faces some top 15 ranked guys.. 5 free match or RS…

-165 would be a win just to qualify rn…
-does Turley return?
-does Soldano RS?
-does Yara transfer out??

The only guarentees rn are Shawver and Poz… Peterson will be solid but a lot of guys return at 125.. and that weight is chaos.. how will he pull away from the pack there??

 

[KidDagger]

We've had 10 NQs once. This is a fantasy.

Agreed there’s probably a better chance of PSU getting 10 national champs then us ..9 AA.. I mean technically if they are all healthy why not right?

 

[biochemist01]

Agreed there’s probably a better chance of PSU getting 10 national champs then us ..9 AA.. I mean technically if they are all healthy why not right?

There is no doubt that we would all love that but I am trying to be realistic here. Only one team has ever had AAs at all 10 weights. Rutgers has had 3 AAs once (in the Covid year). You made the salient points in your response to the 9 AA proposal.

 

[Bethemanandlegen]

There are too many question marks rn.. imo.. did Olivieri improve over RS if so how much? Is Clark healthy and how will he adjust to 149.. rn no indication these two are low AA lvl…

We will basically know how good Harer will be once he faces some top 15 ranked guys.. 5 free match or RS…

-165 would be a win just to qualify rn…
-does Turley return?
-does Soldano RS?
-does Yara transfer out??

The only guarentees rn are Shawver and Poz… Peterson will be solid but a lot of guys return at 125.. and that weight is chaos.. how will he pull away from the pack there??

Agreed

Oliveri looks great so let’s hope
Clark is healthy let’s hope it stays
Harer I’m going by him and Ty watters last year were 1-1 and Harer 1-0 vs kasak
Turley is returning
Soldano unless a transfer will go this year
Yara is 90% he’s coming back from what I hear.

 

[mikemessner]

What are we looking like for next year?

125-Peterson
133-Shawver
141-Olivieri
149-Cetta
157-Clark/Harer/Condomitti
165-Clark/Harer/Condomitti
174-Turley? Will he return?
184-Soldano
197-Poz
285-O'Donnell

Are we expecting any impact transfers? Am I missing anyone? Is that even a top 25 team at Nationals with the loss of Yara's points?

I don't think we are expecting any transfers.
141 Olivieri/Hermes
149 Cetta/Clark when he is healthy.
157 DeSantis/Harer
165 White/ Gayer/Condomitti
Turley is returning for his last year.

 

[KidDagger]

Agreed

Oliveri looks great so let’s hope
Clark is healthy let’s hope it stays
Harer I’m going by him and Ty watters last year were 1-1 and Harer 1-0 vs kasak
Turley is returning
Soldano unless a transfer will go this year
Yara is 90% he’s coming back from what I hear.

When did Harer beat Ty Water and Kasak?

 

[mikemessner]

When did Harer beat Ty Water and Kasak?

All Star match with Ty Water April 2, 2022 score 2-1

 

[JudgeSmails56]

I don't think we are expecting any transfers.
141 Olivieri/Hermes
149 Cetta/Clark when he is healthy.
157 DeSantis/Harer
165 White/ Gayer/Condomitti
Turley is returning for his last year.

Any chance yara returns? Usually when they enter the portal they’re gone.

 

[SCNJ]

We've had 10 NQs once. This is a fantasy.

I don’t know if that lineup comes to fruition but 9 of those guys are former NQs and 1 is a highly touted recruit

 

[SCNJ]

Agreed there’s probably a better chance of PSU getting 10 national champs then us ..9 AA.. I mean technically if they are all healthy why not right?

This is the conversation a couple naysayers misinterpreted last time.

Saying we have 9 different guys who can contend for AA status is not the same as saying we have a shot at getting 9 AAs

 

[mikemessner]

Any chance yara returns? Usually when they enter the portal they’re gone.

I hope so. I think we will find out soon

 

[njsportsphan]

As far as ncaa team
Points realistic look would be

125 Peterson/gibson ncaa 1-12
133 Shawver ncaa 1-6
141 Oliveri ncaa 6-16
149 Clark ncaa 6-16
157 Harer ncaa 1-12
165 white/ condomitti 12-24
174 turley 6-16
184 Soldano 6-16
197 poz 3-12
Hwt yara 3-12.

Could be a great year

Harer will be good, but that is a lofty expectation for a freshman. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[KidDagger]

Harer will be good, but that is a lofty expectation for a freshman. I hope I'm wrong.

Harer beating ty Water in hs is a good sign, still not sure when he beat Kasak in hs… but yeah him attending RU practices while still in hs is really good.. think mindset is one of the best indicator for recruits imo..

Can have the best resume in hs but we really won’t know how good a freshman will be until we see him up against some higher ranked guys in college.. the 5 free matches is so good..

 

[mikemessner]

Harer beating ty Water in hs is a good sign, still not sure when he beat Kasak in hs… but yeah him attending RU practices while still in hs is really good.. think mindset is one of the best indicator for recruits imo..

Can have the best resume in hs but we really won’t know how good a freshman will be until we see him up against some higher ranked guys in college.. the 5 free matches is so good..

Rivera and Harer wrestled today at RTC practice.

 

[Bethemanandlegen]

Rivera and Harer wrestled today at RTC practice.

How did that go?

 

[mikemessner]

How did that go?

It was practice

 

[njsportsphan]

Harer beating ty Water in hs is a good sign, still not sure when he beat Kasak in hs… but yeah him attending RU practices while still in hs is really good.. think mindset is one of the best indicator for recruits imo..

Can have the best resume in hs but we really won’t know how good a freshman will be until we see him up against some higher ranked guys in college.. the 5 free matches is so good..

Yeah, def love his dedication. Kid is a leader and working hard.

 

[Psufan2427]

Harer beating ty Water in hs is a good sign, still not sure when he beat Kasak in hs… but yeah him attending RU practices while still in hs is really good.. think mindset is one of the best indicator for recruits imo..

Can have the best resume in hs but we really won’t know how good a freshman will be until we see him up against some higher ranked guys in college.. the 5 free matches is so good..

Does he wrestle a similar style to Watters? I watch most WVU matches and can tell you the thing that made Watters so successful right away was his elite mat wrestling and being in consistent attack mode on his feet, it seems to be the recipe for immediate success

 

[Bethemanandlegen]

Does he wrestle a similar style to Watters? I watch most WVU matches and can tell you the thing that made Watters so successful right away was his elite mat wrestling and being in consistent attack mode on his feet, it seems to be the recipe for immediate success

Harer is great on the mat hammer on top. On there feet alittle different watters has funky knees in scrambles Harer heavy hips.

 

[PessimisticallyHopefulPragmatist]

125- Peterson/ Gibson
133- Shawver
141 - Olivieri
149- clark
157 - Harer
165 - white/ condomitti
174 - turley
184 - Soldano
197- poz
Hwt - Yara

Is Gibson dropping to 125 a known thing or speculation? If he drops, I think he'll win the spot. I'd like to see Smith on a strength and size program, then our starter at 125.

Shawver owns 133 and is the most likely to AA in '25. He has become the most impressive member of the team.

141 - Goodale stated at the beginning of the year that Olivieri would be wrestling a lot, not just taking the year off; I paraphrase. He had limited action, so appears more like a year off. Will he come back stronger or weaker? Remember, our guys often wrestle their best out of high school. Don't underestimate Alex Nini.

Clark is dropping back to 149? Isn't that where he was supposed to be two years ago before getting beat up at 165? After injury time off, I'm not confident he'll be dependably competitive. Cetta deserves a lot of credit for stepping up last season and performing above expectations. And what are the expectations for Barbosa?

Get Harer into action right away at 157. He's touted as a game-changer.

165 - Oh, my. Who knows?

174—Turley owns the weight class if he comes back. If he truly dedicates himself and wrestles consistently, he has one of the better chances of AA. It will be up to his conditioning and sych. Blanchette will have an eye-opener when wrestling outside of New England. I hope he shows promise.

I don't see Soldano cutting weight. I hope he is working hard to increase muscle mass.

Poz won't cut weight either, but he needs to continue building up his mass and strength. I won't comment on that concussion other than saying without Brooks there, he shouldn't be afraid of anyone.

It doesn't appear that other programs are fighting over Yara-Slav (or Casale or Janzer or Colucci) in the Portal, so hopefully, he'll settle for RU for one more year. Without him, see 165 comment.

You also said:
Oliveri looks great so let’s hope
Clark is healthy let’s hope it stays
Harer I’m going by him and Ty watters last year were 1-1 and Harer 1-0 vs kasak
Turley is returning
Soldano unless a transfer will go this year
Yara is 90% he’s coming back from what I hear.

How do you know those things?

 

[wngarbarini]

Joey O was hurt a good deal this year

 

[PessimisticallyHopefulPragmatist]

Joey O was hurt a good deal this year

Bill: Many of us only know what we see and hear. Lots of opinions are developed based on limited information, hearsay, and conjecture. Oh, Olivieri was hurt? Not injured, or do you mean injured? Who knew? Clark was banged up, then done for the season. Is he dropping weight again? How about White? He was elevated two weight classes, then got beat up. Are there plans for him or has he been demoralized? Not a word about O'Neil or Casale during the season. Now, Casale is in the portal, suggesting he might want to wrestle somewhere but didn't at Rutgers. Then, some who may know more about what's going on enjoy giggling about others' opinions yet offer no indication of what they find funny. You get upset sometimes about the tone of the discussion, but maybe if there was more information shared? So what do we have wrong now? Some people are having fun predicting the line-up. Have decisions already been made that we don't know about? How about weight changes? Much speculation, or at least opinions about Soldano and Poz weight changes (I don't agree) - are there any changes in the plans? What's the plan for Ayden Smith? Will there be someone new filling 165? Is Turley officially coming back? What is actually known about Yara-Slav's intentions? All of this should be known, so why not someone share it with fans?

 

[Leonard23]

Bill: Many of us only know what we see and hear. Lots of opinions are developed based on limited information, hearsay, and conjecture. Oh, Olivieri was hurt? Not injured, or do you mean injured? Who knew? Clark was banged up, then done for the season. Is he dropping weight again? How about White? He was elevated two weight classes, then got beat up. Are there plans for him or has he been demoralized? Not a word about O'Neil or Casale during the season. Now, Casale is in the portal, suggesting he might want to wrestle somewhere but didn't at Rutgers. Then, some who may know more about what's going on enjoy giggling about others' opinions yet offer no indication of what they find funny. You get upset sometimes about the tone of the discussion, but maybe if there was more information shared? So what do we have wrong now? Some people are having fun predicting the line-up. Have decisions already been made that we don't know about? How about weight changes? Much speculation, or at least opinions about Soldano and Poz weight changes (I don't agree) - are there any changes in the plans? What's the plan for Ayden Smith? Will there be someone new filling 165? Is Turley officially coming back? What is actually known about Yara-Slav's intentions? All of this should be known, so why not someone share it with fans?

How long did you practice that cross examination... The TL/DR version:

Well...

 

[PessimisticallyHopefulPragmatist]

How long did you practice that cross examination... The TL/DR version:

You lived up to my expectations. And a giggle to boot.

 

[Leonard23]

You lived up to my expectations. And a giggle to boot.

 

[biochemist01]

Bill: Many of us only know what we see and hear. Lots of opinions are developed based on limited information, hearsay, and conjecture. Oh, Olivieri was hurt? Not injured, or do you mean injured? Who knew? Clark was banged up, then done for the season. Is he dropping weight again? How about White? He was elevated two weight classes, then got beat up. Are there plans for him or has he been demoralized? Not a word about O'Neil or Casale during the season. Now, Casale is in the portal, suggesting he might want to wrestle somewhere but didn't at Rutgers. Then, some who may know more about what's going on enjoy giggling about others' opinions yet offer no indication of what they find funny. You get upset sometimes about the tone of the discussion, but maybe if there was more information shared? So what do we have wrong now? Some people are having fun predicting the line-up. Have decisions already been made that we don't know about? How about weight changes? Much speculation, or at least opinions about Soldano and Poz weight changes (I don't agree) - are there any changes in the plans? What's the plan for Ayden Smith? Will there be someone new filling 165? Is Turley officially coming back? What is actually known about Yara-Slav's intentions? All of this should be known, so why not someone share it with fans?

PHP, I support your efforts and your questions and your suggestions. However, you appear to have a sense of entitlement based on your participation on this board that is unwarranted. If you want to have access like Bill, Mike, and Leonard then ask them what would be required to obtain that access and then decide whether or not to execute on their suggestions. For myself, a season ticket holder and extra financial contributor to the team, I am very glad that they (and others) share their insights and knowledge with us here on the board. They are under no obligation to do so and they may already share more than the wrestlers and coaches would desire, although I trust their judgement that they are sharing appropriately.

 

[PessimisticallyHopefulPragmatist]

PHP, I support your efforts and your questions and your suggestions. However, you appear to have a sense of entitlement based on your participation on this board that is unwarranted. If you want to have access like Bill, Mike, and Leonard then ask them what would be required to obtain that access and then decide whether or not to execute on their suggestions. For myself, a season ticket holder and extra financial contributor to the team, I am very glad that they (and others) share their insights and knowledge with us here on the board. They are under no obligation to do so and they may already share more than the wrestlers and coaches would desire, although I trust their judgement that they are sharing appropriately.

biochemist01: Thank you for your feedback. That is a thoughtful post that exposes a difference in our perspectives. Before continuing, I want to say that I was not intending to put all that on Bill. It was just Bill's post that triggered my response. I have had good discussions offline with Bill and appreciate his enthusiasm. Secondly, I believe that my thoughts represent the needs of more people than me. Perhaps I'm wrong about that, but will be surprised if others don't want to know more about what's going on in the program.

I don't think any of us are entitled to information. However, if the program wants enthusiastic fans, there are things needed to nurture them. I will speak from my perspective, recognizing that, apparently, I'm a more demanding follower. I have expectations when being involved with anything. When watching football, I'm satisfied reading what's available and watching the team perform (or not), although I do recognize that football provides much more information to its fans. When I was in my career, I donated to charities but insisted on knowing how the money was used and the percentage that made it to the cause. When my three children went to college at my expense, I insisted on receiving their grades. They could have had all the privacy they wanted had they paid for their education. All that I have done in the past is much less affordable for me today, but regardless, when I'm asked for money, I have expectations. You, biochemist01, and others are happy contributing and trusting it will make a difference. That's okay, but it doesn't work for everyone.

I too appreciate when certain posters share information. I think the program should have a representative here who provides timely information about the wrestlers, plans for development, and answers questions. I also think wrestle-off results should be shared, even if called "indicator matches".

For those that have been around long enough, you will have seen that I have been critical and I have also offered suggestions. At one point, I was willing to engage in developing a process that the program could use as a template or example of how to organize efforts, resources, and develop clear objectives as well as measure progress. I got no farther than the opening statement when the children here did all they could to sabotage. In my corporate life, we paid outside consultants $2000 a day for that type work. That was in 1991 dollars.

Again, I appreciate how you (biochemist01) provided thoughtful feedback to me without insulting me or using cute memes and videos.

 

[wngarbarini]

Yara returning for his last year at RU

 

[patk89]

great news WNG! Next season looks awesome!