Rules need to change

[RUich]

With all that has been going on, the players have virtually all the cards. What used to be a somewhat balanced situation between players and the schools is gone.
If players can pretty much leave with no negative consequences, the schools need to be able to do something if a player simply decides to not meet his responsibilities. Now we have Dartmouth talking about forming an athletic union! With only not giving the player any playing time, some may just sit and soak up the spoils.
I am also really concerned with Pike being able to become more ruthless in this new world of college sports. His way of doing business may be out of style.
Next season is a make it or break it situation. If this program fails to garner the success and exposure many think, we may well see a much darker world ahead.

 

[fluoxetine]

I am also really concerned with Pike being able to become more ruthless in this new world of college sports. His way of doing business may be out of style.
Next season is a make it or break it situation. If this program fails to garner the success and exposure many think, we may well see a much darker world ahead.

 

[RUInsanity]

Its interesting On the precipice of the best recruiting class I've seen coming to play for Rutgers basketball next season also comes some of the most doom and gloom sentiment I've seen on these boards about RU's future basketball prospects.

 

[Brisket and Bourbon]

With all that has been going on, the players have virtually all the cards. What used to be a somewhat balanced situation between players and the schools is gone.
If players can pretty much leave with no negative consequences, the schools need to be able to do something if a player simply decides to not meet his responsibilities. Now we have Dartmouth talking about forming an athletic union! With only not giving the player any playing time, some may just sit and soak up the spoils.
I am also really concerned with Pike being able to become more ruthless in this new world of college sports. His way of doing business may be out of style.
Next season is a make it or break it situation. If this program fails to garner the success and exposure many think, we may well see a much darker world ahead.

At one point going to Dartmouth was about the prestige of attending one of the best universities in the country and getting that impressive Ivy League diploma. 🤭😆

 

[cm_13]

Its interesting On the precipice of the best recruiting class I've seen coming to play for Rutgers basketball next season also comes some of the most doom and gloom sentiment I've seen on these boards about RU's future basketball prospects.

It’s all over reaction to a bad season. First it was “We’re so bad, are we going to lose Dylan and Ace?” That didn’t happen, so now we’ve moved onto “What if Dylan and Ace can’t get it done?”

 

[PhillyRU]

The players have all the cards because the NCAA spent the last three decades pushing a tenuous model to the absolute brink.

Mild reforms from the NCAA like a decade ago could have prevented a lot of this, but they’ve been too hardheaded to do so

 

[Pdabs]

Oh the days when college athletes were showered with…… free education to have the right to attend X university for the possibility to show their talents and be drafted.

NIL may no be perfect and it’s a work in progress but I’m all about these kids trying to make as much as they can before time runs out. These schools and ncaa made billions off their backs.. you know because they’re STUDENT athletes.

Back in my day….. nobody cares.

Also… Big time schools have been paying top talent for years. It’s just open now. And kids aren’t punished by having to sit out when transferring. So I don’t know what balanced situation there was. NCAA held all the cards forevvveerrefr

 

[Eagleton96]

With all that has been going on, the players have virtually all the cards. What used to be a somewhat balanced situation between players and the schools is gone.
If players can pretty much leave with no negative consequences, the schools need to be able to do something if a player simply decides to not meet his responsibilities. Now we have Dartmouth talking about forming an athletic union! With only not giving the player any playing time, some may just sit and soak up the spoils.
I am also really concerned with Pike being able to become more ruthless in this new world of college sports. His way of doing business may be out of style.
Next season is a make it or break it situation. If this program fails to garner the success and exposure many think, we may well see a much darker world ahead.

Personal integrity is not going out of style. But our players, the players that we want, that will appreciate it. We still need an NIL, to be competitive.

Meanwhile, it was not balanced before. The players were getting exploited, considering the millions everyone else was making but them. The pendulum swung the other way and for now it’s not fun. It’ll swing back. No knows exactly how. It could be a law, a players union, something. It’ll take some time to work itself out, but it will.

 

[RUsojo]

It was never “somewhat balanced”

 

[bac2therac]

its too late and the inmates run they asylum now and the courts will never rule against the players

when players opt out of playing in game...oh wait thats already happening...but when they opt of certain games and focus on money tournaments which will be a norm soon then maybe everyone will stop watching

 

[Scangg]

People bash Pike as if he isn't bringing elite talent. It's strange. If this recruiting class was 💩 then I would get it after a bad season but it makes no sense

 

[JavaDunk18]

Carolina didn’t even make the tournament last year, this year is my pick to win it all.
if RU can add a sharpshooter like Ryan, they will spend most of the season in the top 25, and can be a contender for a deep NCAA run

 

[ancienthooper]

Don’t touch their money until there’s a fair way of implementing some controls. But for the love of Pete fix the transfer portal NOW. It’s sucking the life out of a great game. Allow no-sit transfers if there’s a coaching change, otherwise one-year.

 

[fluoxetine]

its too late and the inmates run they asylum now and the courts will never rule against the players

when players opt out of playing in game...oh wait thats already happening...but when they opt of certain games and focus on money tournaments which will be a norm soon then maybe everyone will stop watching

Spoiler: they will not stop watching

 

[bac2therac]

Spoiler: they will not stop watching

we shall see

if the game changes to professional its very easy to give up

 

[fluoxetine]

we shall see

if the game changes to professional its very easy to give up

“Very easy to give up” says the man with over 215,000 posts on this message board.

That’s not a shot at you by the way, I’m just saying I don’t think it would be easy for you to give up.

 

[Sweet Peas Corner]

we shall see

if the game changes to professional its very easy to give up

Just like I don't watch pros. It's the money and those guys sit when they want. Wait till college goes that route. We'll have RU with bench players against StoneHill.

 

[Brisket and Bourbon]

“Very easy to give up” says the man with over 215,000 posts on this message board.

That’s not a shot at you by the way, I’m just saying I don’t think it would be easy for you to give up.

It would be remarkably easy to…so easy. Giving up the pros was a breeze…college might be slightly harder because of school allegiances, but there are so many great things to do with your money that do not include paying into a system that gives money to kids for their temporary allegiance. The gambling sites could not be happier…the big schools will continue to out pay the lesser schools (RU is in the lesser bunch)…just call them employees, eliminate the useless others sports, and stop pretending like most of them care about an education (most could not give a ****)

 

[PhillyRU]

Admittedly, I don’t really like the current trajectory of the sport and will miss program building, but college basketball’s shortened schedule, quality atmospheres and March Madness will make it a superior product imo, and I don’t think that’s changing.

Plus I think I’m too brain-broken about CBB to stop watching

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

Drop the Prozac and get the pain meds lol. Even I am opting out of this one lol.

 

[fatsam98]

Its interesting On the precipice of the best recruiting class I've seen coming to play for Rutgers basketball next season also comes some of the most doom and gloom sentiment I've seen on these boards about RU's future basketball prospects.

Just wait until we don't get the top 5 portal prospects in the country. It's gonna be unbearable

 

[Nycrusupporter]

Just like I don't watch pros. It's the money and those guys sit when they want. Wait till college goes that route. We'll have RU with bench players against StoneHill.

Given the way our starters played against them, I am all for the bench!

 

[kcg88]

“Very easy to give up” says the man with over 215,000 posts on this message board.

That’s not a shot at you by the way, I’m just saying I don’t think it would be easy for you to give up.

Sometime around 2016 there was a big backlash against the NFL for how they were handling concussions and that people were going to stop watching. That's also when Kaepernick and other players were kneeling during the anthem. Here's a big article from Bill Simmons and Malcolm Gladwell. "Sagging ratings, national controversy, horrifying head injuries, shameless greed: The conversation about the NFL has officially changed. Is it too late to fix it?"

Simmons vs. Gladwell: The Future of Football

Sagging ratings, national controversy, horrifying head injuries, shameless greed: The conversation about the NFL has officially changed. Is it too late to fix it?

www.theringer.com

I believe there are people who stopped watching because of concussions or because of players kneeling. However it clearly hasn't been anywhere near a big enough percentage to actually matter. So even if bac or FIG really does stop watching college basketball I don't believe it will be part of a meaningful trend.

 

[RUJMM78]

Just like I don't watch pros. It's the money and those guys sit when they want. Wait till college goes that route. We'll have RU with bench players against StoneHill.

I don't know about Stone Hill.Rutgers was lucky to defeat them.

 

[Virginiarufan]

Oh the days when college athletes were showered with…… free education to have the right to attend X university for the possibility to show their talents and be drafted.

NIL may no be perfect and it’s a work in progress but I’m all about these kids trying to make as much as they can before time runs out. These schools and ncaa made billions off their backs.. you know because they’re STUDENT athletes.

Tell that to the vast majority of students who go into debt for years because they had to pay their own way through school. Not to mention Rutgers and most other athletic depts which annually operate in the red

 

[NickRU714]

Tell that to the vast majority of students who go into debt for years because they had to pay their own way through school. Not to mention Rutgers and most other athletic depts which annually operate in the red

Are the vast majority of students chosen by the school to participate in an activty generating millions for the school?
It's not like the athletes are just showing up and saying "we want a piece".
The university and athletic department are literally saying "we need you to help generate this millions of dollars for us."


If Rutgers (and most other athletic depts) operating in the red is a reason for limiting player compensation then why did we just give HC Schiano a raise mid way through his contract?
Or raises to the football and basketball staffs?
Or AD Hobbs getting a raise?

It's called prioritization of expenses.
Just like every other mutil million dollar entity has to deal with.

 

[365Poster24Seven]

its too late and the inmates run they asylum now and the courts will never rule against the players

when players opt out of playing in game...oh wait thats already happening...but when they opt of certain games and focus on money tournaments which will be a norm soon then maybe everyone will stop watching

Who are you kidding catman you will never stop watching or posting unless you are forced to donate to watch. As long as you get to regurgitate the game with no insight all is well in your life. Those 10 paragraphs after each game is all you care about not the wins or the losses or the players.

 

[Virginiarufan]

Coach Schiano is still underpaid compared to comparable programs. He's the life blood of the football program and deserves what he's paid. Same for Pikiell. I'm all for reasonable NIL payments for athletes, but I draw the line at salaries for them. If it weren't for all the tuition paying students, there would be no school for these semi-pro athletes to ply their trade.

 

[NickRU714]

Coach Schiano is still underpaid compared to comparable programs. He's the life blood of the football program and deserves what he's paid. Same for Pikiell. I'm all for reasonable NIL payments for athletes, but I draw the line at salaries for them. If it weren't for all the tuition paying students, there would be no school for these semi-pro athletes to ply their trade.

100% agreed on HC Schiano, HC Pikiell and their staffs.
It's just that the "but the AD is in the red! AD cant afford the expense" has only ever been brought up about player expense. Not for any other increasing expense in the AD.
All of a sudden people want fiscal control by the AD.

"If it weren't for all the tuition paying students, there would be no school for these semi-pro athletes to ply their trade"
Ummm the same applies to HC Schiano, HC Pikiell and every other employee of the Athletic Department.

 

[Eagleton96]

100% agreed on HC Schiano, HC Pikiell and their staffs.
It's just that the "but the AD is in the red! AD cant afford the expense" has only ever been brought up about player expense. Not for any other increasing expense in the AD.
All of a sudden people want fiscal control by the AD.

"If it weren't for all the tuition paying students, there would be no school for these semi-pro athletes to ply their trade"
Ummm the same applies to HC Schiano, HC Pikiell and every other employee of the Athletic Department.

True. And the players are doing exactly what every other person is doing, maximizing their value. But for some reason the athletes are singled out as the people that should take a voluntary pay cut so that other people in the system can make more.

 

[LotusAggressor]

With all that has been going on, the players have virtually all the cards. What used to be a somewhat balanced situation between players and the schools is gone.
If players can pretty much leave with no negative consequences, the schools need to be able to do something if a player simply decides to not meet his responsibilities. Now we have Dartmouth talking about forming an athletic union! With only not giving the player any playing time, some may just sit and soak up the spoils.
I am also really concerned with Pike being able to become more ruthless in this new world of college sports. His way of doing business may be out of style.
Next season is a make it or break it situation. If this program fails to garner the success and exposure many think, we may well see a much darker world ahead.

I'm not sure the situation between players and the schools was ever all that balanced.

 

[Plum Street]

Coach Schiano is still underpaid compared to comparable programs. He's the life blood of the football program and deserves what he's paid. Same for Pikiell. I'm all for reasonable NIL payments for athletes, but I draw the line at salaries for them. If it weren't for all the tuition paying students, there would be no school for these semi-pro athletes to ply their trade.

Same could be of the professors and the thousands of jobs schools provide that have nothing to do with education

 

[AdventureHasAName]

The players have all the cards because the NCAA spent the last three decades pushing a tenuous model to the absolute brink.

Mild reforms from the NCAA like a decade ago could have prevented a lot of this, but they’ve been too hardheaded to do so

The model worked fine (and has for decades). It only failed when the Supreme Court foolishly and incorrectly voided the NCAA's rules.

 

[Eagleton96]

The model worked fine (and has for decades). It only failed when the Supreme Court foolishly and incorrectly voided the NCAA's rules.

The court case was predictable. The growing wealth and professionalization of the sport was apparent. Something was gonna break eventually. the fact that it came down to the courts doing it, which insured chaos in the aftermath, is just more proof that the leadership of college sports dithered.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

The court case was predictable. The growing wealth and professionalization of the sport was apparent. Something was gonna break eventually. the fact that it came down to the courts doing it, which insured chaos in the aftermath, is just more proof that the leadership of college sports dithered.

The court case was predictable, but the ruling was still wrong. The court said the NCAA had a monopoly on amateur interscholastic athletics and therefore could not prohibit NIL contracts because it was unlawful restraint of trade. But the court also pointed out that players were already receiving compensation from the schools in the form of scholarships. Well, what do we call a business where its employees are being compensated? Professional, not amateur. And nobody could claim the NCAA had a monopoly on professional athletics, particularly football and mens basketball. And if the NCAA doesn't have a monopoly on the industry (compensated professional athletics) then prohibiting NIL is not unlawful under anti-trust laws (just as the court said the individual conferences and schools could prohibit NIL because they individually did not consitute monopolies).

The decision had holes you could drive a truck through. The court waded into a situation where it simply didn't think things through and clearly didn't understand the ramifications of their poorly considered actions.

 

[LotusAggressor]

Just like I don't watch pros. It's the money and those guys sit when they want. Wait till college goes that route. We'll have RU with bench players against StoneHill.

Load management in 30-35 game seasons might be the breaking point for some. It's an issue in the NBA and they're scheduling more than twice as many games.

 

[NickRU714]

Just like I don't watch pros. It's the money and those guys sit when they want. Wait till college goes that route. We'll have RU with bench players against StoneHill.

If we're up 25 against Stonehill, should Ace/Dylan be out there until the final whistle?

HC Pike better dam well load manage against Stonehill type games.

 

[Caliknight]

Load management lol

 

[G- RUnit]

I'm not sure the situation between players and the schools was ever all that balanced.

It was never balanced. Schools and coaches way too much power.

 

[RutgHoops]

When college coaches have to sit a year when they leave their jobs for another school you can make a cogent case college athletes should also. Until then.....