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FB Recruiting Rutgers Football WR Rashad Rochelle announces he will enter transfer portal.

One thing I did notice this year- I have never seen so many kicks through the endzone. Seemed like the only time either team kicked a returnable ball was if it was planned.

With punt returns, I understand the hesitancy after those two muffs. But even then- it just seemed there was something off. Why even fair catch and ty to catch a punt inside the 10? And even the muffs- I sort of feel this is on the coach- if it happened once- where the ball may have tricked you and you are jumping off your feet to try to catch it- then bad on you, but how does it happen twice?

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I can't remember which game it was but we were kicking off after a score.
I went to get up after the score and then stopped to watch the kickoff "just in case something bad happened".
Thought "we're going to kick it through the endzone and have no return - nothing bad likely to happen" and walked away.

It's just a good feeling knowing the chances of that impacting the game are minimal on kickoffs.
 
Frankly, I've spent years wondering when Rutgers would get a guy for kickoffs who could regularly get it deep enough to remove the possibility of a return, like so many of our opponents seemed to have.
 
would have liked to see him more in the slot, I mean he could be great at being shifty and watching the ball overthrow him by 5 yards at 70 mph on an 8 yard out....
Well that’s a problem with all our WRs and RBs. Even the simplest 5 yard out pass is an adventure as the receiver needs to adjust to the badly thrown pass. They need to either stop or turn the other way to adjust to the constant error throws. Kills the momentum of the play and loss of potential YAC.
 
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Well that’s a problem with all our WRs and RBs. Even the simplest 5 yard out pass is an adventure as the receiver needs to adjust to the badly thrown pass. They need to either stop or turn the other way to adjust to the constant error throws. Kills the momentum of the play and loss of potential YAC.
or really it's a problem with one qb that I hope can his sh8t straight and soon....
 
Well that’s a problem with all our WRs and RBs. Even the simplest 5 yard out pass is an adventure as the receiver needs to adjust to the badly thrown pass. They need to either stop or turn the other way to adjust to the constant error throws. Kills the momentum of the play and loss of potential YAC.
agree with you but think about this- when was the last time we had a QB that was consistent on that simple pass?
 
That short pass game makes his accuracy issue null and void . If practiced and with the right guys it can certainly help this player. Guys like Gavin have been taught that the B1G arm is what gets you to the next levels. Though there is truth in that not doing that has hampered him. Needs less to worry about both with his head , arm and getting a solid base.
 
Well that’s a problem with all our WRs and RBs. Even the simplest 5 yard out pass is an adventure as the receiver needs to adjust to the badly thrown pass. They need to either stop or turn the other way to adjust to the constant error throws. Kills the momentum of the play and loss of potential YAC.
Those who have seen many Rutgers games this past season have surely witnessed lots of GW's errant throws that got any number of targets nearly killed.
 
I saw this one coming. He wasn't being used in the offense and his botched punt returns pretty much left him with nowhere to go except another school.
Seen this coming?
Are you plum's evil twin ?

Guess he figured he needed a change because he might not get the playing time he wanted if he stayed.
 
Seen this coming?
Are you plum's evil twin ?
You've got it backwards.
BTW, I'm sure there are many others here that like me hear stuff from friends and relatives, but are reluctant to post some of it on this board. Usually for good reason.
 
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agree with you but think about this- when was the last time we had a QB that was consistent on that simple pass?

Noah Vedral was very consistent on that simple pass. This is a factual statement - it’s not debatable. The knock on him was his lack of a long game. In the short and medium game he was money when he had time, and played like a veteran when he did not. Threw the ball away when he could, but also knew when to cut his losses and take the sack (Gavin improved in this area in 2023. He and Evan were both poor at it in 2022 which was probably the reason we tried to play Vedral but then he couldn’t feel his hand).

I get it. Nobody gets excited about a QB that struggles to throw a spiral more than 15 or so yards. But I’d rather have a mobile QB who throws confidently and accurately within a 15 yard range than one that doesn’t throw accurately anywhere - even if he can hit an occasional long ball.
 
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Apparently thought he could play QB at the FBS level. Ends up at Indiana State. Good luck.
 
Went from athletic swiss army knife to fair catcher.

This one's on RU. Should have found ways to get him the ball
But MAYBE they did...in practice...and the kid couldn't hold onto the ball? Block? Run routes properly> You can't blame RU without knowing all the facts. Sorry. I thought he WAS going to be "that" guy, but he just wasn't. Probably why he dropped down to FCS.
 
Why ? He probably would have just dropped it anyway.
Let’s be fair here. His options apparently were to fair catch or let it bounce and roll by. Clearly they didn’t want him to return the punt unless it was really wide open. So his options were to not do something wrong or do something that did nothing positive (fair catch). So a dropped punt stand out and there is no way to make up for it. Wide receivers drop passes all the time and often the QBs throws the next one to them. Announcers talk about it all time. RR was put in a situation where all he could do was, essentially, nothing good but something bad.
 
Let’s be fair here. His options apparently were to fair catch or let it bounce and roll by. Clearly they didn’t want him to return the punt unless it was really wide open. So his options were to not do something wrong or do something that did nothing positive (fair catch). So a dropped punt stand out and there is no way to make up for it. Wide receivers drop passes all the time and often the QBs throws the next one to them. Announcers talk about it all time. RR was put in a situation where all he could do was, essentially, nothing good but something bad.
he was diving to catch both punts- you never do that...
 
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Noah Vedral was very consistent on that simple pass. This is a factual statement - it’s not debatable. The knock on him was his lack of a long game. In the short and medium game he was money when he had time, and played like a veteran when he did not. Threw the ball away when he could, but also knew when to cut his losses and take the sack (Gavin improved in this area in 2023. He and Evan were both poor at it in 2022 which was probably the reason we tried to play Vedral but then he couldn’t feel his hand).

I get it. Nobody gets excited about a QB that struggles to throw a spiral more than 15 or so yards. But I’d rather have a mobile QB who throws confidently and accurately within a 15 yard range than one that doesn’t throw accurately anywhere - even if he can hit an occasional long ball.

Some pitchers are fastball aces and others throw the movement pitches
Eli Manning was a skanky short passer who could miss guys a few yards away - he often overthrew.
His long passes could be great though and it was unfortunate that Eli's last years were spent being unable to pass long. People used to say "Eli is old and cant pass anymore" but he was hideous short passer in 2005 lol.

I think Wimsatt is better at long passes - even his short passes want to go long lol.
I think Wimsatt would get to throw longer but he has to bring the altitude down.
Announcers called his 50 yd ball to Washington a "moon ball" and it was - practically out of the frame.
Moon balls are dangerous in B1G were DBs will eat them right up.
RU's WR are usually not very good at contested balls.

Here is a GW "moon ball" followed by a Sheduer Sanders' pass of about same distance - both from the 50. Sanders has almost no arc and Gavin's looks like arch in St Louis.



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Player got helicopter offers as soon as portal opened.
RU was a few minutes ahead of Pitt (and Player is a PA dude who might have "sentiments" ).
RU with many more views on his twitter


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Some pitchers are fastball aces and others throw the movement pitches
Eli Manning was a skanky short passer who could miss guys a few yards away - he often overthrew.
His long passes could be great though and it was unfortunate that Eli's last years were spent being unable to pass long. People used to say "Eli is old and cant pass anymore" but he was hideous short passer in 2005 lol.

I think Wimsatt is better at long passes - even his short passes want to go long lol.
I think Wimsatt would get to throw longer but he has to bring the altitude down.
Announcers called his 50 yd ball to Washington a "moon ball" and it was - practically out of the frame.
Moon balls are dangerous in B1G were DBs will eat them right up.
RU's WR are usually not very good at contested balls.

Here is a GW "moon ball" followed by a Sheduer Sanders' pass of about same distance - both from the 50. Sanders has almost no arc and Gavin's looks like arch in St Louis.



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These are completely different route types. You're supposed to throw a higher pass on a go route (Gavins throw) so the receiver runs under it and drops into their hands. This way if you have the DB beat, there's no way for them to get a hand on it.

Again with the Sanders fellating. You're obsessed with Prime.
 
But MAYBE they did...in practice...and the kid couldn't hold onto the ball? Block? Run routes properly>
I actually saw him in games in 2022. He was an open field weapon. Absolutely should have found a way to get him tjhe ball in space (hello jet sweep!) and let him run back the kicks.

He should not have been punt returner.
 
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I actually saw him in games in 2022. He was an open field weapon. Absolutely should have found a way to get him tjhe ball in space (hello jet sweep!) and let him run back the kicks.

He should not have been punt returner.
not-for-nothing....BUT....his 2022 stats:

1 - ONE - receptions for (-2.2 yards)
27 carries for 109 yards
 
he was diving to catch both punts- you never do that...
I never said he didn’t drop the punts. They were bad plays, no doubt. My point is that he was essentially put in a spot where the only outcome for him was nothing good happened or something bad happened. Hard to play that way.
 
I never said he didn’t drop the punts. They were bad plays, no doubt. My point is that he was essentially put in a spot where the only outcome for him was nothing good happened or something bad happened. Hard to play that way.
They were more than bad plays. They were backbreakers. That's why you need someone back there you can count on to catch the ball.
 
No knock on Rochelle but he is the quintessential 7v7, combine phenom. Can do everything you look for in an athlete to be a great football player. But once there is contact and they put in the pads it doesn’t always translate. Saw the Kid practice twice. He looked great running routes and blowing by people, when there was no fear of contact.
 
No knock on Rochelle but he is the quintessential 7v7, combine phenom. Can do everything you look for in an athlete to be a great football player. But once there is contact and they put in the pads it doesn’t always translate. Saw the Kid practice twice. He looked great running routes and blowing by people, when there was no fear of contact.

I'm not sure about that. '22 in a limited role he looked good. And I don't recall any fumbles. But obviously returns were a real problem this year.
 
If he's fumbling in practice you can't put him into the game. Even burning one of the freshman redshirts is better than risking turnovers.
kid was pretty dynamic when allowed to field a kickoff. But- fumble 1 this year- I am sure they had it up on the big screen in front of the entire team- and then numerous times in the ST's meeting- "You never do this!"

And then, he did it again. It should have been similar to a kid burning their finger on the stove- you learned in a very painfull way and you just won't do it AGAIN
 
I'm not sure about that. '22 in a limited role he looked good. And I don't recall any fumbles. But obviously returns were a real problem this year.
Wasn’t about fumbles. Was about getting on the field. He had a couple nice plays in 22 but that role he assumed in 22 was no longer needed. He was brought into the program to be a WR and he was passed by Dremel who was a walk on. Dremel is a football player that is an athlete, Rochelle is an athlete that plays football.
 
I never said he didn’t drop the punts. They were bad plays, no doubt. My point is that he was essentially put in a spot where the only outcome for him was nothing good happened or something bad happened. Hard to play that way.
I always thought it was a positive (meaning something good), if/when a punt was caught cleanly.
 
I always thought it was a positive (meaning something good), if/when a punt was caught cleanly.
Same- you are inside the 10 or 20- signal fair catch and then catch it- that is what you are expected to do. Positive. You sit back and see you can't get to a punt clean inside the 20- you signal FC and just let it bounce- maybe the result is that it is downed at the 1...but again, you did your job- positive
 
My point is that he was essentially put in a spot where the only outcome for him was nothing good happened or something bad happened.
I think I get it. And based on that logic, someone like a crossing guard has a good outcome only if they actually stop a car from entering the cross walk/pushes a child to safety. If they just escort the child across the street nothing good happened. Makes sense now.
 
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