122 out of 128 in Turnover Margin

[bigbirdRU]

Turnovers are one of the easiest ways to predict the outcome of a game, and often give the edge to teams that would have otherwise lost. Most on here will remember the 5 interceptions last year against PSU or 7 turnovers against Kent State in 2012. Bama had 5 turnovers in their loss to Ole Miss this year. This will be a huge indicator going forward if we are going to have any chance.

Other turnover margin notes:

2006: #12

2012: #17

2013 #122 (out of 125)

 

[JoeRU0304]

3 of my biggest concerns with Flood's squads have been the turnover margin, attrition rate w/ our classes and penalties. We rarely cause fumbles and our defense being in shambles 2 of the last 3 seasons and basically playing prevent half the time obviously hurts INT production.

...this aspect has been particularly alarming though especially since it was part of our calling card for 10 years.


Joe P.

 

[JMORC2003]

Such a shame. Takeaways used to such of trademark of the RUs defense. You could always count on them to swing the momentum. Big special teams play being the other.

 

[DHajekRC84]

not just turnovers, but when. My recollection is that most have been on the other team's side of the field and have killed scoring opportunities..much like when our offensive penalties have occurred. we had three missed field goal chances on Sat. First one a gimme lost due to Livianos's poor decision, one before half set back by penalty (and because we didn't use one of our two time outs with 54 secs left), and the last one the miss by our 4 yr kicker.

 

[JoeRU0304]

Honest question- when did our last defensive pick-6 occur? Last one I remember was Brandon Jones against Tulane in 2012.


Joe P.

 

[Knight Shift]

Turnovers are one of the easiest ways to predict the outcome of a game, and often give the edge to teams that would have otherwise lost. Most on here will remember the 5 interceptions last year against PSU or 7 turnovers against Kent State in 2012. Bama had 5 turnovers in their loss to Ole Miss this year. This will be a huge indicator going forward if we are going to have any chance.

Other turnover margin notes:

2006: #12

2012: #17

2013 #122 (out of 125)

Hyperbole much?
Last time I checked the 2013 season ended a couple of years ago. Let it go. We are not in that league anymore.
Besides,

2012- That was a Flood year. We won a share of the Big East.
2011- #40 what did we win? Tied for 4th in Big East.
2010- #24, Rutgers was 4-8 that year.
2009-#4- tied for 4th in Big East.
2008- #62- tied for 2nd in Big East

Does not seem to correlate to success in winning the conference. Next meaningless complaint.

 

[JoeRU0304]

...wait a minute- are you saying that turnover margin is a 'frivilous' stat?


Joe P.

 

[DHajekRC84]

...wait a minute- are you saying that turnover margin is a 'frivilous' stat?


Joe P.

thought it was a universal mantra by every single coach...win the TO battle.

 

[JoeRU0304]

Heck, Phil Steele devotes an entire section to this every year in his preview ('Turnovers=Turnaround'). Look at our 2008 season in regards to turnovers during the first 6 games, the last 7 games, and our record over each half.


Joe P.

 

[bigbirdRU]

Hyperbole much?
Last time I checked the 2013 season ended a couple of years ago. Let it go. We are not in that league anymore.
Besides,

2012- That was a Flood year. We won a share of the Big East.
2011- #40 what did we win? Tied for 4th in Big East.
2010- #24, Rutgers was 4-8 that year.
2009-#4- tied for 4th in Big East.
2008- #62- tied for 2nd in Big East

Does not seem to correlate to success in winning the conference. Next meaningless complaint.

This post is not a dig at flood at all- my point in showing 2006 and 2012 was how good our margin was during probably the 2 best years in recent history. Alternatively how bad it was during the atrocious 2013 year. And 2 of the most disappointing losses in recent history cam be traced to turnovers.

 

[Knight Shift]

...wait a minute- are you saying that turnover margin is a 'frivilous' stat?


Joe P.

No. But OP cherry picked his stats to crap on Flood. And the further stats don't corroborate or imply or infer what he his trying to corroborate.

Of course it is a nice stat. But let's point out something else that is painfully obvious that everybody knows about. IF you want to piss and moan, at least do it well.

 

[Knight Shift]

This post is not a dig at flood at all- my point in showing 2006 and 2012 was how good our margin was during probably the 2 best years in recent history. Alternatively how bad it was during the atrocious 2013 year. And 2 of the most disappointing losses in recent history cam be traced to turnovers.

Fair enough. I'll take you at your word. In 2013, when we got hammered by Cincy, the turnover margin was even. When we got killed by Houston, it was a 6-0 turnover margin. We won the turnover margin against Fresno State, but lost the game. And let's guess where most of the turnovers came from----Turnova? So, I am not sure what the point is.

 

[brookdale-soda]

While I could come up with a few trademarks of schiano's teams, (and turnovers was one of them) I've yet to identify an attribute associated with floods teams.

 

[RUfromSoCal?]

turnover margin is not a meaningless stat
can remember several missed INT opportunities -- heck, we lost the Wash St. game due to missed INT opportunity

young DBs --- we're gonna miss turnover opportunities.

that is why it's so important the Offense doesn't turn it over and/or get drive killing penalties....this team is not getting many short fields

 

[RU from Jersey]

When was the last time a RU DB jumped a route for an interception? Heck when was the last time they jumped a route just to knock a ball down? The interceptions have basically been bad throws by a QB and not a great plays by a DB.

 

[cRURah]

While I could come up with a few trademarks of schiano's teams, (and turnovers was one of them) I've yet to identify an attribute associated with floods teams.

I'll give you one -- swiss-cheese Defense. That's been consistent for the last 3 years. Not just bad, but really bad.

 

[Abro1975]

Hester jumped one route against Kansas , just dropped the pick, he also was in position for a 2nd pick later on, harder catch, I don't think that second coverage was 'jumping the route' but more simply good coverage.

When was the last time a RU DB jumped a route for an interception? Heck when was the last time they jumped a route just to knock a ball down? The interceptions have basically been bad throws by a QB and not a great plays by a DB.

 

[WhiteBus]

Coach Flood will now declare that teams with the most lost turnovers statistically win the most games

 

[RU#1fan]

While I could come up with a few trademarks of schiano's teams, (and turnovers was one of them) I've yet to identify an attribute associated with floods teams.

Are you watching the same Flood's teams as the rest of us ?
lol

 

[RUich]

Only on the Rutgers board will you find an argument going on about our turnover margin. :rolleyes:
Can we all just agree that ours is terrible and needs to be fixed before we try to do something positive in the murderer's row we have before us?