17 seconds left in 2nd half...

[RUfan1979]

Rutgers up one with 17 seconds left. Illinois inbounding from around mid court after calling a timeout.
Rutgers committed 4 fouls for the half therefore we had two to give before Illinois would shoot one and one.
Eddie had to know the foul situation.
Illinois inbounds and took 8 seconds to get off a shot which they made to take a one point lead.
We could have strategically used both fouls and wasted 10 seconds or more.
That would have pressured Illinois to take a shot with time running out.
I thought it was a no brainer.
Any one else agree?

 

[MCKnight2004]

+1 agree whole heartedly. Just another negative on EJ coaching ability

 

[ColonelRutgers]

Rutgers up one with 17 seconds left. Illinois inbounding from around mid court after calling a timeout.
Rutgers committed 4 fouls for the half therefore we had two to give before Illinois would shoot one and one.
Eddie had to know the foul situation.
Illinois inbounds and took 8 seconds to get off a shot which they made to take a one point lead.
We could have strategically used both fouls and wasted 10 seconds or more.
That would have pressured Illinois to take a shot with time running out.
I thought it was a no brainer.
Any one else agree?

No. 17 seconds is way too much time and you're not going to waste 10 seconds by using 2 fouls there.

 

[RUfan1979]

No. 17 seconds is way too much time and you're not going to waste 10 seconds by using 2 fouls there.

We could have fouled with 11 seconds left.
This would have forced Illinois to inbound again.
Then we foul before they get a look if the clock is under 7 seconds.
They would have once again been forced to inbound and get off a shot to win.
Would rather be on the defense in that situation.
If I was the coach that would have been my strategy.
Not second guessing Eddie.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Laurent had to foul when his player got the ball in the post.

 

[bac2therac]

you have to use a couple of fouls..that was a big mistake there

 

[ColonelRutgers]

If Corey had hit the go ahead FT with 3.3 seconds left THEN having those 2 fouls to give with Illinois inbounding from 94 feet away would've been the perfect way to seal it. Assuming we didn't do something stupid like foul someone chucking up a desperation shot.

 

[ruman]

I said elsewhere, when you lose that many in a row it's not by accident

 

[goru7]

+1 agree whole heartedly. Just another negative on EJ coaching ability

You are wrong and you couldn't have been at the game.. There was a delay because of some clock issue, and Eddie was telling Laurent to foul but not right away bc there was 18.6 seconds left. He went over it again and again.. Laurent played it well and waited 7-8 seconds and everyone was yelling to foul but in the commotion and it got loud even though it was one of the smallest crowds of the year, Jonathon just didn't foul. As soon as Corey got fouled with 3.3 , Eddie was talking to Jonathon and demonstrated why didn't you foul before Hill got off the shot.
So that is the truth from someone that was there!!

 

[goru7]

you have to use a couple of fouls..that was a big mistake there

Wrong again. Read my other reply

 

[goru7]

Rutgers up one with 17 seconds left. Illinois inbounding from around mid court after calling a timeout.
Rutgers committed 4 fouls for the half therefore we had two to give before Illinois would shoot one and one.
Eddie had to know the foul situation.
Illinois inbounds and took 8 seconds to get off a shot which they made to take a one point lead.
We could have strategically used both fouls and wasted 10 seconds or more.
That would have pressured Illinois to take a shot with time running out.
I thought it was a no brainer.
Any one else agree?

Were you at the game?

 

[goru7]

Laurent had to foul when his player got the ball in the post.

Everybody including the coaching staff thought he would since they told him to!!!

 

[RUfan1979]

You are wrong and you couldn't have been at the game.. There was a delay because of some clock issue, and Eddie was telling Laurent to foul but not right away bc there was 18.6 seconds left. He went over it again and again.. Laurent played it well and waited 7-8 seconds and everyone was yelling to foul but in the commotion and it got loud even though it was one of the smallest crowds of the year, Jonathon just didn't foul. As soon as Corey got fouled with 3.3 , Eddie was talking to Jonathon and demonstrated why didn't you foul before Hill got off the shot.
So that is the truth from someone that was there!!

ok, so Laurent didn't follow instructions.
In that timeout Eddie had to be aware of using those timeouts.
Too bad because if he did commit the foul before the shot got off we would have had
a pretty good chance to win in regulation.

 

[RUfan1979]

Were you at the game?

I was there screaming for the foul!

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Everybody including the coaching staff thought he would since they told him to!!!

When? In the original huddle or when Eddie met the team at half court. People were yelling in the stands and putting up 2 fingers. I am not sure Eddie gave foul instructions in the original huddle.

 

[bac2therac]

the bottom line is that Laurent didn't foul....whether it was Eddies fault or Laurents fault , it didn't happen and it needed to

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Sometimes freshmen make mistakes...the good thing....they turn into more experienced sophomores.

 

[goru7]

When? In the original huddle or when Eddie met the team at half court. People were yelling in the stands and putting up 2 fingers. I am not sure Eddie gave foul instructions in the original huddle.[/QUOTE. His assistants were looking up at the board and saw the 4 team fouls and you looked like Van was speaking to Jonathon in the original huddle. However, the clock issue took 2 full minutes plus to decipher and Eddie definitely mentioned when he was on the court with the kids for a minute waiting for the clock issue to resolve. Hope that answers your question, Greene?

 

[rufeelinit]

I tell you that we kill Eddie sometimes about his coaching decision but Groce certainly did not cover himself in glory last night. That game should have never went to OT. Illinois really struggled in bounding the ball against pressure. I guess you could attribute it to injuries on their side but they looked clueless b

 

[shields]

With Rutgers luck Illinois would have scored with 3 seconds left and RU would never get shot off.

 

[goru7]

I tell you that we kill Eddie sometimes about his coaching decision but Groce certainly did not cover himself in glory last night. That game should have never went to OT. Illinois really struggled in bounding the ball against pressure. I guess you could attribute it to injuries on their side but they looked clueless b

I think you meant the game should not have gone to double OT? Ru was leading almost the whole regulation. Illinois took its first lead at 71-70. If Corey makes the second foul shot at 3.3 Rutgers likely wins in regulation. You must be talking the first overtime, correct?

 

[DHajekRC84]

You are wrong and you couldn't have been at the game.. There was a delay because of some clock issue, and Eddie was telling Laurent to foul but not right away bc there was 18.6 seconds left. He went over it again and again.. Laurent played it well and waited 7-8 seconds and everyone was yelling to foul but in the commotion and it got loud even though it was one of the smallest crowds of the year, Jonathon just didn't foul. As soon as Corey got fouled with 3.3 , Eddie was talking to Jonathon and demonstrated why didn't you foul before Hill got off the shot.
So that is the truth from someone that was there!!

well, I'll trust you on this one and if so good to hear the coach at least made the right call. Because the OP is 100% correct in how that should have been played. That short jumper should never have gone off. And they should have done it again like every other college team in America would have done there. Sounds like a frosh mistake.

You don't save them with the thought that the guy's going to score and so is Rutgers. You play your hand right there. And hope for the stop when you have it. Not the next time assuming there is one.

 

[soundcrib]

Rutgers up one with 17 seconds left. Illinois inbounding from around mid court after calling a timeout.
Rutgers committed 4 fouls for the half therefore we had two to give before Illinois would shoot one and one.
Eddie had to know the foul situation.
Illinois inbounds and took 8 seconds to get off a shot which they made to take a one point lead.
We could have strategically used both fouls and wasted 10 seconds or more.
That would have pressured Illinois to take a shot with time running out.
I thought it was a no brainer.
Any one else agree?

+1000000 I said this in the game thread. How do we not foul twice there? And Illinois was allowing us to do it with their player who hit the J just standing there with the ball. Eddie botched that. Excruciating!

 

[bac2therac]

I tell you that we kill Eddie sometimes about his coaching decision but Groce certainly did not cover himself in glory last night. That game should have never went to OT. Illinois really struggled in bounding the ball against pressure. I guess you could attribute it to injuries on their side but they looked clueless b

Illinois would have won the game in regulation if they stopped settling for 3s and just gave it to the big man who was 10-13 or tried to get inside. I thought Illinois was too 3 happy at a point in the game where they could have taken charge in regulation

 

[RUJMM78]

Rutgers up one with 17 seconds left. Illinois inbounding from around mid court after calling a timeout.
Rutgers committed 4 fouls for the half therefore we had two to give before Illinois would shoot one and one.
Eddie had to know the foul situation.
Illinois inbounds and took 8 seconds to get off a shot which they made to take a one point lead.
We could have strategically used both fouls and wasted 10 seconds or more.
That would have pressured Illinois to take a shot with time running out.
I thought it was a no brainer.
Any one else agree?

Everybody sitting near me was screaming foul the Illinois player to take time off the clock .It made no sense to waste two fouls .

 

[goru7]

Illinois would have won the game in regulation if they stopped settling for 3s and just gave it to the big man who was 10-13 or tried to get inside. I thought Illinois was too 3 happy at a point in the game where they could have taken charge in regulation

Wrong again. If that kid doesn't hit 6 three's they likely lose to Ru by double digits . That center hit 10-13 and had the best shooting night of his career because Greg with his injured leg could not come out to 10 feet to defend and still get back to rebound . The mistake was that kid had 3 fouls for most of the second half and 4 fouls for the last minutes of the game and overtime and we did not attack him to foul him out. Especially tough since we were in the double bonus almost the last 10 minutes of the game and for the overtimes.
Ru was leading almost the entire game except the first minute and Illinois did not take their first lead until 71-70. Not sure the big kid ever had a better game in his life.

 

[bac2therac]

Wrong again. If that kid doesn't hit 6 three's they likely lose to Ru by double digits . That center hit 10-13 and had the best shooting night of his career because Greg with his injured leg could not come out to 10 feet to defend and still get back to rebound . The mistake was that kid had 3 fouls for most of the second half and 4 fouls for the last minutes of the game and overtime and we did not attack him to foul him out. Especially tough since we were in the double bonus almost the last 10 minutes of the game and for the overtimes.
Ru was leading almost the entire game except the first minute and Illinois did not take their first lead until 71-70. Not sure the big kid ever had a better game in his life.

that's your opinion, RU wasn't going to win this game by double digits that's my opinion...its offense stagnated big time in the last 8 minutes and it was Corey singlehandedly trying to win the game whether it be steals or one on ones offensively.

As for Illinois I didn't say they shouldn't have taken 3s, I think they just took too many quick ones at a particular point when they closed the gap. You are right RU goofed big time in not fouling the guy out.

 

[goru7]

that's your opinion, RU wasn't going to win this game by double digits that's my opinion...its offense stagnated big time in the last 8 minutes and it was Corey singlehandedly trying to win the game whether it be steals or one on ones offensively.

As for Illinois I didn't say they shouldn't have taken 3s, I think they just took too many quick ones at a particular point when they closed the gap. You are right RU goofed big time in not fouling the guy out.

We can agree to disagree! However, Rutgers had a comfortable lead of 7-10 points almost the entire first half. Unfortunately, and I guess you can put this on Eddie, he pulled Corey out with 2 fouls with about 2.5 -3 minutes left in the half. Daniels proceeded to throw ball away for a transition bucket and DJ threw lazy pass to Jonathon that led to another steal and bucket. The 7 point lead was down to 3 and both sides traded baskets to leave us up 3. We should have been up 7 at least.
In the second half, we opened it up to 5-7 almost the entire half and missed some layups to open it to double digits. Then the freshman hit a few 3's in a row bringing the game tight again. If he doesn't hit 6 three's by himself, we win by double digits.

 

[DHajekRC84]

When Williams made that last second shot to end the 1st half I thought it our night.

One thing you can also question is why at 11mins to go Rutgers had 15 offensive rebounds and that is what we finished with. What happened?

And RU can't keep missing fouls shots. 15 for 23 for 62% The kid from Ill went 17-20 on his own! They shot 30-34 for 88% !!! ballgame!

 

[richthedentist]

I know forman made a couple of bad passes but he barely played in the second half and Lewis is playing on one leg and was clearly gassed but this also accounts for why we never got another offensive rebound and I am not sure why he was not out there especially in such a long game

 

[soundcrib]

Corey knows:

 

[Good-Knight]

On a certain level, a player not listening to a coaches instruction IS STILL the coaches fault. Need to get a non-shooting foul after about 5 seconds of clock.

 

[OntheBanks]

I haven't looked at the replay of the game but didn't Corey miss that free throw after leaving the foul line to fix the net after his first shot went in?

 

[RU Mike73]

Game was lost in a sequence with just under a minute RU up, Mitchell turnover, followed by Mitchell foul, followed by a Mitchell steal but throws ball length of court out of bounds on a breakaway. Two possession with little time coming off clock and not even a shot.