A Match Made In Heaven (Or Lincoln)--RU and Nebraska Tied In Recruiting At the Moment
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This is actually great news, I know some of the star gazers on this board think that we should be recruiting at the level of Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan St, Penn State, etc but if we can consistently bring in top 40 classes, we will have some success. I'm extremely impressed by this and the Job that Kyle flood is doing, baby steps but we're now consistently beating out teams like Syracuse, Pitt, Uconn, and BC for kids which is tremendous as they all recruit our "footprint". With continued success and upgraded facilities, then we will be able to take the next step in recruiting and start landing maybe 5-8 guys each year that do have all the offers.
One thing is certain though, we are trending up!
One thing is certain though, we are trending up!
oh, Huskers is not going to be happy with you RaRa.............not one little bit.. :angry:
um we have 13 recruits Nebby has 10. Not to mention their average is 3.1 and ours in 2.7... not close.
Wait until some of the 4 star guys commit too! Top 25 class here we come!
We need to forget about those programs. Conversations need to be focused on our division and where we want to be - uconn and temple are history.
We are doing well regionally, and that's great for now. It's still a little ways off until we beat osu and bama for recruits but if we can continue to get quality northeast Rutgers type kids , coach em up , keep them eligible and manage our depth chart well - we can make up ground very quickly. Our staff is doing a nice job in all of those facets and it's an often overlooked part of the college football world that allows well-run programs to compete with anyone.
1. Keep guys eligible . Guys failing out kills depth charts and is basically like putting a scholarship ban on yourself.
2. Recruit high personality kids from winning hs programs. Winning is an art and some people know how to do it better than others.
3. Have a great off season program. Keep guys around campus to workout and if you can't, make sure they are working out in a high performance gym (which the northeast has plenty of, nj specifically).
4. The northeast is the most educated population in the country. Football programs in the northeast are comprised of smarter kids and often smarter coaches. This could sound weird to people, but I've seen first hand the intellectual difference between northeasterners and others and how it affects competition.
We will be fine. Flood does a nice job of managing the depth chart and creating competition at every position. We have been getting deeper every year since he has been here (except for linebacker, which isn't in good shape. Kaiwan Lewis needs to be our savior this year)
SO TRUE about Syracuse and UCONN..... who cares about them football wise? They are CLEARLY on a lower level then us. Let's not confuse people and lead them to believe that we are still competing against those teams.
We are in the BIG 10 EAST which is the best division in the best conference in college football. Just look at last years results and this years recruiting rankings. Ohio State 2, Michigan State 5, Michigan 8, Penn State 13, Maryland at like 31, and Rutgers around 36. NOW THAT IS SOME SERIOUS RECRUITING COMPETITION and will lead to even more years of hyper competitive football.
Nothing against Syracuse and UCONN as academic institutions, but when it comes to football I seriously don't even think about them at all and haven't for years even when they were in our DIVISION! The teams I think about now are Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, and ttfp (The team from Pennsylvania aka Penn State)
Agreed we definitely need to continue to get bigger and stronger. I am not too worried about this though going forward because with Kyle Flood as out head coach and his background as an Offensive Line coach, I think we will have no problem getting bigger and better OL recruits. As we continue to play in the BIG10 I am confident we will be able to start being EXTREMELY picky with our OL and DL offers because we will because we have shown that our school puts OL into the draft, mini camps, and onto NFL rosters. And with past success of our DL players and our current crop of studs on the DL with Hamilton and Turay( who I predict will both have monster years), I think more and more HS players will desire to play for the RU DL because of our success on the field and our ability to put players in the NFL. Oh and of course going forward we will have 4 star Ford from FL as our next stud DE and I am pretty sure we will get another one of these 4 stars DE's who are high on Rutgers. (I am drawing a blank on their names, but I am pretty sure 1 of them is Canadian and another one is from the philly/PA area)
What the heck are you talking about.... Castle in the sky? Is it really that hard to believe that we could be in the TOP 25 for recruiting rankings when we are currently already 36 and we have between 5-10 4 stars players who are extremely high on us and a 5 star who has been visiting campus since the 7th grade?
I have a feeling you just tend to be one of these guys that are negative on everything because life has beaten you down one too many times.
Mike, don't take the bait. Blitz's allergies impact his ability to take a keyboard and type non-pejorative things. He is allergic to happiness, or at least medium- to long-term happiness. Take it easy on the little guy.
I think you need about 4-6 4 stars to get into the Top 25. I don't think we are going to get that many 4 stars. I'm hoping we can get 1-2 4 stars. Remember, Rutgers fans don't give a damn about ratings, so who cares where we stand.
Do we care about recruit ratings or we care only when it looks good for Rutgers?
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I'm not averse to happiness or whatever RaRa.
It's just amusing that we achieve a little success in recruiting (which is great) and now you have guys comparing our rivals class to Nebraska's or saying we'll have a top 25 class. It 's either one extreme or another on here, nothing in between...
Is it possible? Sure in a multiverse of infinite possibilities that's surely one but there is a lot that would have to break right for it to happen (a lot of variables the Rutgers staff doesn't control/has no influence on). It's also possible that we win the national title in football this season but it doesn't make it any less ridiculous to shout that out from the roof tops right now either. Let's slow it down, savor our success of late and stop putting the cart before the horse. That's all i'm saying.
For the record, I do think we'll get about 2-3 4 stars in this class when all's said and done but that's no where near a top 25 ranking. Top 35 at best.
It's just amusing that we achieve a little success in recruiting (which is great) and now you have guys comparing our rivals class to Nebraska's or saying we'll have a top 25 class. It 's either one extreme or another on here, nothing in between...
Is it possible? Sure in a multiverse of infinite possibilities that's surely one but there is a lot that would have to break right for it to happen (a lot of variables the Rutgers staff doesn't control/has no influence on). It's also possible that we win the national title in football this season but it doesn't make it any less ridiculous to shout that out from the roof tops right now either. Let's slow it down, savor our success of late and stop putting the cart before the horse. That's all i'm saying.
For the record, I do think we'll get about 2-3 4 stars in this class when all's said and done but that's no where near a top 25 ranking. Top 35 at best.
blitz, it's simple fun, nothing more, and a way to bring Huskers, who's a much-loved poster and addition to our board, into a thread. You think the rest of us don't understand how recruiting rankings and progressions work?
Again, first of all I don't understand why you think it is so "extreme" to think we can get to be ranked as a Top 25 class when we are currently ranked 36th and still have a bunch of highly ranked players with us in their top 3, 5, 6, etc.
And continuing on that.... do you really think that if we get 2-3 4 stars that would only result in moving up to the 35th spot on the list?! Unless there is a major jump from 36th place to 35th place that I am missing, I just don't see how you could think this.
And obviously some posters care about recruiting rankings and some do not. I personally care about WINS above everything else. But I fall into the camp where I would say I have a moderate level of caring about recruiting rankings just because of probabilities and injuries/random risk. For example, if you are like Ohio State and can constantly restock elite QB's then you can handle losing your STARTING AND BACKUP QB AND STILL WIN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP! I know that fact was spoke on a lot, but it really should go down as one of the most amazing feats to happen in sports. So anyway as per Rutgers, we clearly have a history of being able to find the guy's that were ranked by the services much lower than their actual playing abilities. But of course rather than finding guys that are really 3 and 4 star quality, but only ranked say 3 or 2 or 1...... it wouldn't hurt if we could start trying to find the guys who are really 5 and 4 star guys that are only ranked 4 or 3 or 2 stars.
And of course, this is where I say screw the recruiting rankings because if one of our coaches has seen a kid with the right attitude, the right potential, the right size/speed/strength, etc. who is only a 2 or 1 or 0 star guy then I would MUCH rather our staff take the kid they think will be the better player than pick another guy that is ranked 3 or 4 star, but our staff just knows isn't going to be that good. Sure the fans would love to see us pull the higher ranked player in the short term, but in the long term we are here to WIN and so that is why going with whoever the better player is should ALWAYS be the priority.
I do agree with you that it is funny when some posters try to go to the extreme and say they don't care or look at the recruiting rankings WHATSOEVER and that it doesn't matter to them at all. Now to me that is just a poster puffing out their chest and just being hard headed about their opinion because obviously the rankings have SOME merit as shown by the Ohio State games last year. There were MULTIPLE games where they were just HEAD AND SHOULDERS bigger, faster, and stronger than their opposing teams which they just so happen to ALSO CRUSH IN RECRUITING RANKINGS every year. So obviously they have to matter somewhat and as educated fans we cannot just pretend to not care at all. (Even though I do think it is a VERY small minority you think this way and they just happen to be very vocal about it so it might seem like more.)
only if he gets late offers from bigger schools. Elite 11 or not, rivals does rankings based a ton on offers and unless Russo gets late big time offers I don't think he'll be a 4 star.
High 3 star on the other hand, very possible
Yeah he'll be a high 3 star most likely for rivals. 247 readjusted their ranking from an 81 3 star to an 86 3 star. ESPN recently rated him a 78 3 star.
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a quick look at that list from another angle......RU is listed as #34, and there are about 3 teams above them that are recruiting lower level players, but have more verbals.......
on the flip side, there are about 14 programs ranked below RU that have a better star rating class average right now....and if they continue to fill in their class with more of the same, would leap frog past RU, assuming RU recruits pretty much the same talent as we have been, and all are able to accept a similar recruit total in their recruiting class
all this is to figure where we are on pace to land.....
If you want to roughly figure where RU is on pace to land, I would put us in the range of the #45 area
of course, this is not figuring any current verbal players moving up or down....but remember, other teams have just the same hopes of their
two star player becoming a 3.....a three star becoming a 4....
put another way, if you look at where we are solely on star average, we are in the mid 40's
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we have this happen every year.....fans jumping up and down on an early ranking....to see how useless these rankings are AT THIS time, look at where texas tech is
texas tech is at 15.....great right?.....wrong.....they are 15th because they have 19 verbals...their average star ranking is 2.58.....below RU
you take the number 19 and multiply it by the star factor and you get a number.....and you get an artificially high ranking...
watch where T Tech is at the end......probably closer to 50
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I love being looked upon as a Nincompoop... We are extremely lucky to have posters can who inform us inferior fans...
Right now we are still in the phase where the NUMBER of recruits has a stronger influence on the overall ranking than the quality of recruits. Both matter (and in fact they are somewhat correlated - teams with more players tend to have somewhat better players at this point), but its number that counts more right now, and we are in the top third of P5 teams at 13 committed recruits, but we are in the bottom third in average stars per recruit.
We are tied for 9th right now in the Big Ten and in 6th in the Big Ten East. We'll see if Flood can reel in some of these 4 stars, but if he cant then coming in the top 40 isnt going to happen.
We are tied for 9th right now in the Big Ten and in 6th in the Big Ten East. We'll see if Flood can reel in some of these 4 stars, but if he cant then coming in the top 40 isnt going to happen.
I guess it depends on your perspective. I see a delusional Pollyanna as someone who believes we are competing on an equal playing field recruiting-wise with the OSU's, Alabama's, and Tennessee's of the world - someone who thinks we should be winning more of the battles with these teams than we are losing. I will take my Pollyanna world over yours any day.
If you look at the actual recruiting ranks, the highest correlation seems to be between the traditional view of the school and the rankings. Newcomers to the top have gotten there with lower rated recruiting classes, for whatever reason. It also appears there is a lag between their arrival and the higher rankings of their classes.
In the end, the rankings will be based on each team's top 20 recruits, so 20 vs 25 recruits won't matter, only the top 20 of each class.
Its not delisional to think we should win more than ZERO of the recruiting battles against those teams. Its delusional to think that we cant be.
Concerned the bold type,
Granted, other teams have the same hopes, but the situation is not the same for every team. Just like in every other aspect of recruiting there is variation from team to team - based on the staff's ability to recognize talent before others do, I suppose. We talk about it often here, our staff;s ability to identify talent or potential.
Some staffs will be weak, some will be strong, and most in the middle. Many of us believe that our staff probably is strong or very strong here. We appear to have had many recruits in the past 3 years who may outperform their rankings by recruiting services. Compare that to Texas , which appears to be very weak here.
However even an optimist like me has to admit that it is too early to know for sure. Most of Coach Flood's recruits have not yet reached the experience level yet where we can be sure just exactly how much they will contribute. Hicks, Martin, Turay, and Russo, just to name a few, appear to have a higher ceiling than we would have imagined when they committed.
The other qualifier , which you hint at, is the tendency for all of us fans to focus on the success stories for our team and ignore the prospects who seem not to be reaching their potential. I really have no idea what percentage of prospects must equal or exceed what was viewed as their original potential to make their team move up the ladder of success. IMO we appear to be having a higher percentage of guys right now who are developing, but I have no statistical proof. If i was one of the perennial negatoids, i suppose I would be attacking this point to prove I know what I am talking about.
My real point though is that the percentage of guys on each team who improve their recruiting ranking is not going to be anywhere near the same for every team. A few will have many, and a few will have very few.
In fact, I would suspect that the ratings services would want to lower the grades for some teams, although I don't know if they would do that.
It seems unimaginable to me that the senior season would not result in huge changes in the relative rankings of the players out there, particularly since lots of young men start their physical maturation process later than others. I would not expect the recruit ratings to fully account for those changes.
I believe that the way this years recruiting class is going to finish out will be based soley on our performance on the field this year. If we perform well, we may have a shot with some of these higher ranked prospects, may even pull a couple of 4 stars.
On the other hand if we struggle with a new qb and replacing a lot of starters recruiting could get ugly, I'm not saying 2014 ugly but you know that at the end of the year a few certain teams always come attempt to raid our cabinets, with a successful season it should be much easier to hold them off but if we go 4-8 or 5-7, things could get ugly
One way or another though I think some fans need some perspective, yes we are on the upswing, yes, we're in a terrific conference but competing for big ten championships right away when we went from playing teams like syracuse and Uconn to Ohio State and Michigan State... BIG DIFFERENCE.
It's going to take time before we can really compete in this league, and nowadays people are all about instant gratification. Trust the process
On the other hand if we struggle with a new qb and replacing a lot of starters recruiting could get ugly, I'm not saying 2014 ugly but you know that at the end of the year a few certain teams always come attempt to raid our cabinets, with a successful season it should be much easier to hold them off but if we go 4-8 or 5-7, things could get ugly
One way or another though I think some fans need some perspective, yes we are on the upswing, yes, we're in a terrific conference but competing for big ten championships right away when we went from playing teams like syracuse and Uconn to Ohio State and Michigan State... BIG DIFFERENCE.
It's going to take time before we can really compete in this league, and nowadays people are all about instant gratification. Trust the process
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Perspective, No one thinks we are competing for the Big Ten Championship. I just wish for 1 or 2 big wins against Michigan, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Michigan State, penn State or Ohio State EVERY YEAR. Recruits will take notice and decide to go to Rutgers.
Looking at the past five years, it looks like we'll need to average roughly 3.2 stars to be ranked in the twenty to twenty-five range. And that's if we have at least twenty recruits. I kind of doubt that it happens, but I'm more concerned about how they do on the field when they get here.
Your too busy star gazing....we have better access to eyeballing up close and personal kids Nebby has little to no access too. What cost them a fortune is ten minutes away to the populated HSFB talent.
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