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I don't understand how that play would have ever worked unless Hicks was supposed to give the ball to #23 Bailey. Once Bailey runs out of the play there are too many defenders gravitating to Hicks. Does anyone here know how that play was supposed to work?

 
Looks like my man 81 missed his block for one thing. One job to do. One easy job. Even if this block was made there was still an extra defender and it still wouldn't have worked.
 
If you watched Dm's press conference he breaks it down quite well actually.
81 whiffs on his block.
42 has outside LB
The cornerback has dropped out beciase he was in zone plus Goodwin coming through as a lead blocker.
Only thing I don't know is did out RT double when he should have blocked outside shoulder or was the DE left unblocked on purpose.
Regardless, it's another example of poor execution starting with 81
Also another example of our fans not actually watching plays develop.
 
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ATIOH said:
I just noticed on the next play we no-huddle hurry up to have Gio fake handoff to no one.
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Well either he opened wrong or RB went wrong way. I'm gonna go with the RB going the wrong way. Regardless, the fake to nobody actually still works beciase the Lb's all came up to support the run. Problem is nobody blocked 90 which I'm assuming was Goodwin's man but he went the wrong way.
 
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vkj91 said:
Well either he opened wrong or RB went wrong way. I'm gonna go with the RB going the wrong way. Regardless, the fake to nobody actually still works beciase the Lb's all came up to support the run. Problem is nobody blocked 90 which I'm assuming was Goodwin's man but he went the wrong way.
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Don't think you got that right about Goodwin. See Mehringer's discussion in the thread I linked above.
 
Knight Shift said:
Don't think you got that right about Goodwin. See Mehringer's discussion in the thread I linked above.
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You are talking about two different plays. Link is about reverse. I'm talking about play #2 in that post
 
Extra Point said:
That fake was to # , the invisible man. There was something majorly wrong with that second play too.
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I think gio opened the wrong way. The way the blocking scheme works they should have been faking a run to the right and then booting.
 
gef21 said:
I think gio opened the wrong way. The way the blocking scheme works they should have been faking a run to the right and then booting.
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Yeah.. looked like Gio brain fart. The back sets up on either side to help pick up the rush. Gio just probably prefers faking to his left, where he might see the blind-side pass rush coming.

But as for the 1st play.. is Hicks really the guy we want taking it wide? Didn't we spend all the off-season talking about Hick's North-South bruising running style? And the play call itself.. you know the D is going to be super-hyped on the 1st snap. That's when you try a simple play-action. These long-developing plays just give the team with superior talent MORE opportunity to out-athlete their opposite numbers. It is not rocket-science. This was just a bad situational play call.. one of many.

Chess and checkers are both played on the same board. We are playing checkers and telling people its chess... and that we don't have the right pieces.
 
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GoodOl'Rutgers said:
Yeah.. looked like Gio brain fart. The back sets up on either side to help pick up the rush. Gio just probably prefers faking to his left, where he might see the blind-side pass rush coming.

But as for the 1st play.. is Hicks really the guy we want taking it wide? Didn't we spend all the off-season talking about Hick's North-South bruising running style?
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The first play (from my observation) was another gio fault. His head goes to an UNBLOCKED man this screams option. The unblocked man comes up field which is a pull but gio gives. If he pulls he has a huge running lane (which he fakes into).
 
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gef21 said:
I think gio opened the wrong way. The way the blocking scheme works they should have been faking a run to the right and then booting.
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I think it was on the RB. There was no misdirection so somebody should have been responsible for the DE. To me that was Gooodwin.......
 
Execution has been the problem all season. If they struggled executing this play on the practice field they never should have ran it. That play cost us a chance at points after a turnover.
 
vkj91 said:
I think it was on the RB. There was no misdirection so somebody should have been responsible for the DE. To me that was Gooodwin.......
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I think the DE was left unblocked on purpose for the boot. A lot of boots are naked off of the edge. His trajectory would take him inside the DE (stopping him from sealing him) and not allowing GIO to boot, which is clearly the design of the play.
 
cicero grimes said:
Execution has been the problem all season. If they struggled executing this play on the practice field they never should have ran it. That play cost us a chance at points after a turnover.
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This is 100% my thinking. I hate trick plays after turnovers. I would have loved to see play action deep shot and not trickery.
 
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gef21 said:
This is 100% my thinking. I hate trick plays after turnovers. I would have loved to see play action deep shot and not trickery.
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That is what i was hoping for as well. Play action, deep ball to the corner where either the receiver makes the catch or it goes out of bounds.
 
gef21 said:
I think the DE was left unblocked on purpose for the boot. A lot of boots are naked off of the edge. His trajectory would take him inside the DE (stopping him from sealing him) and not allowing GIO to boot, which is clearly the design of the play.
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But it doesn't look like a true boot and if so Gio doesn't get enough depth. Whereas if Goodwin opens left that DE 100% tackles him and takes himself out of the play. Which gives Gio the RPO. As you can see, he had Harris as well as deep receivers. If he gets the edge and a corner or safety commits to him he has Harris for the dump.
 
vkj91 said:
But it doesn't look like a true boot and if so Gio doesn't get enough depth. Whereas if Goodwin opens left that DE 100% tackles him and takes himself out of the play. Which gives Gio the RPO. As you can see, he had Harris as well as deep receivers. If he gets the edge and a corner or safety commits to him he has Harris for the dump.
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Its definitely a true boot the way he pops up turns and goes but play design wise it, to me, it still looks like gio opened up wrong. I could see it being the RB fault because the fake would allow a decision to throw the bubble or not. Either way the play is a mess.
 
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gef21 said:
The first play (from my observation) was another gio fault. His head goes to an UNBLOCKED man this screams option. The unblocked man comes up field which is a pull but gio gives. If he pulls he has a huge running lane (which he fakes into).
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That makes a lot more sense. Looked like Gio would have had one big partially blocked (relatively) slow guy to beat to get to the secondary. I guess the look the QB gets is so short that he might already have made up his mind what he is going to do before the defenders have been analyzed. Also like others said, I don't think Hicks is the fastest guy. A wide receiver would have a better chance. I assume the coaches time everyone's 40 speed a couple of times during the season. Everyone is fast but we now compare speed to top 25 teams.
 
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GoodOl'Rutgers said:
Yeah.. looked like Gio brain fart. The back sets up on either side to help pick up the rush. Gio just probably prefers faking to his left, where he might see the blind-side pass rush coming.

But as for the 1st play.. is Hicks really the guy we want taking it wide? Didn't we spend all the off-season talking about Hick's North-South bruising running style? And the play call itself.. you know the D is going to be super-hyped on the 1st snap. That's when you try a simple play-action. These long-developing plays just give the team with superior talent MORE opportunity to out-athlete their opposite numbers. It is not rocket-science. This was just a bad situational play call.. one of many.

Chess and checkers are both played on the same board. We are playing checkers and telling people its chess... and that we don't have the right pieces.
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None of our players should be running east and west, especially not Hicks who is a classic north/south runner. We don't have the blocking to hold up east and west at all and they get us nothing most of the time. If I can see it, the guys making half a million should be able to, since they know much more football than me. I've given up trying to figure out what they're doing.
 
here,s the bottom line..we held PSU,who is now ranked#7 in Country, to NINE points in first half..BUT because Drew cant think out of the box,other then the plays he has written on his play call sheet,and stays in the same Scheme..the game was over when the offense went 3 and out for the ninth time and the defense wore out. Merhinger is not going to straighten the offense out..he needs veteran help..or reassignment.
 
As I heard while I watched the game with a bunch of Penn Staters: Plays like that show you why the team is 2-9 going on 2-10.
 
gef21 said:
This is 100% my thinking. I hate trick plays after turnovers. I would have loved to see play action deep shot and not trickery.
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I was so expecting the deep shot. Instead we got....I don't really know what we got.
Extremely deflating series to start a game...at home....vs. Pedd St.
 
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Extra Point said:
Looks like my man 81 missed his block for one thing. One job to do. One easy job. Even if this block was made there was still an extra defender and it still wouldn't have worked.
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Our TE's are horrible, worst in the country.
 
Our first offensive play was a touchdown if hicks give it to dacoven bailey on the reverse
 
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