Any comments from the DB Coach or thoughts?...Darrell Wilson?

[BigEastPhil]

I'm sure the coaching staff has been told to keep their mouths shut on the pathetic actions alleged to have occurred by the players arrested - however I'd be very curious to hear Mr. Wilson speak on this matter - as he should be the closest to these kids from a coaching / tutoring / mentoring perspective.

Did he miss any red-herring signs of trouble?......What thoughts on their character / judgment did he have?....Did he have any inklings of these issues or matters?

Too many times, there are obvious signs of trouble from people - and when it occurs with 5 kids - not 1 - under his coaching domain - I'm a bit skeptical that Mr. Wilson could not have been aware of certain matters - involving any of these 5 kids.

Thoughts?

 

[Tango Two]

You know when the Rutgers' coaches speak. It's the same time every year.

 

[KJ_RU]

I'm sure the coaching staff has been told to keep their mouths shut on the pathetic actions alleged to have occurred by the players arrested - however I'd be very curious to hear Mr. Wilson speak on this matter - as he should be the closest to these kids from a coaching / tutoring / mentoring perspective.

Did he miss any red-herring signs of trouble?......What thoughts on their character / judgment did he have?....Did he have any inklings of these issues or matters?

Too many times, there are obvious signs of trouble from people - and when it occurs with 5 kids - not 1 - under his coaching domain - I'm a bit skeptical that Mr. Wilson could not have been aware of certain matters - involving any of these 5 kids.

Thoughts?

Under this scenario if the DB coach knew then, almost assuredly, Flood had to know and he ultimately has to be held accountable.

Or the players and a position coach knew but the HC didn't, which equals a program out of control.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Peele to Coach Wilson..."Hey Coach, I got into a fight this weekend and broke some guys jaw, you should have seen it, you would have been impressed Coach"

Boggs to Wilson...."Hey Coach, if you need to borrow a few dollars just let me know, I robbed some guys this weekend and got away with about $500 and purchased these new Jordans"

REALLY ??

Who else you wanna target as someone that had to know ??? How about the equipment manager, academic advisers or trainers....what the heck....Hermann and Barachi had to know...let's fire them all.

 

[StyleKnight]

Rutgers has brought in so much talent in the secondary since the 2013 debacle. And almost none of it has panned out thus far. I don't know what to say. Darrell Wilson has one of the hardest jobs every year on this staff. He is a good man and would be there for any player that needs him.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

I don't understand any of this " coach had to know" stuff. So coach hears a rumor that there was a fight or that other players did something illegal. Obviously the individuals involved are going to deny it if asked.

Is the suggestion that the kids rumored to have beaten somebody up should have been suspended from the team based on rumor alone? And that by failing to suspend the players in advance the coaches are somehow culpable?

It just really doesn't make sense to me. If the State never prosecuted, it's a non issue. It would mean the State decided they didn't do anything wrong. I can't see as a personnel manager why you would act prior to an arrest being made.

 

[MozRU]

When I played our coaches didn't have a clue what we did after we left the athletic center. Zip, zero, nada. When a coach was around the chatter stopped.

Something the NCAA fails to realize and and why they railroaded USCw with the Reggie Bush issue.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

I don't understand any of this " coach had to know" stuff. So coach hears a rumor that there was a fight or that other players did something illegal. Obviously the individuals involved are going to deny it if asked.

Is the suggestion that the kids rumored to have beaten somebody up should have been suspended from the team based on rumor alone? And that by failing to suspend the players in advance the coaches are somehow culpable?

It just really doesn't make sense to me. If the State never prosecuted, it's a non issue. It would mean the State decided they didn't do anything wrong. I can't see as a personnel manager why you would act prior to an arrest being made.

This last part troubles me. Aren't you an attorney? Prosectors often don't bring cases. Has nothing to do with whether suspects "did anything wrong." But I'm sure you know that.

If 1 kid is involved with something, I can understand people not knowing. However, not 5. Not high profile incidents like this. Someone linked a Reddit post of a RU student posting about Peele breaking the kid's jaw. Also said that girls he knows that work with the team are "afraid" of Peele.

It's incomprehensible that nobody in that locker room, other than the 5 involved, knew about this. Being around teams for more than 3/4 of my life, I cannot be convinced of that.

 

[zappaa]

Peele to Coach Wilson..."Hey Coach, I got into a fight this weekend and broke some guys jaw, you should have seen it, you would have been impressed Coach"

Boggs to Wilson...."Hey Coach, if you need to borrow a few dollars just let me know, I robbed some guys this weekend and got away with about $500 and purchased these new Jordans"

REALLY ??

Who else you wanna target as someone that had to know ??? How about the equipment manager, academic advisers or trainers....what the heck....Hermann and Barachi had to know...let's fire them all.

You can't be that clueless as to how information travels amongst teammates and somehow in some form a coach gets wind of a few of his kids maybe having a problem.
You could very well be correct and he was aware of no investigation, no fight and had no idea TJ and Boggs were bad kids…I'm saying it's hard to believe, yet it could be true.
The ridiculous scenarios you keep bringing up as how information travels are spreads amongst teammates is not what happens.
Coaches sense a kid may not be focused or quiet, not acting like themselves, they may ask his teammates what's up with so and so, he's acting strange…people don't act normal when they have full scale investigations hanging over their heads…It's not far fetched for
a head coach to feel something is not right at confront his players. Would all of those players being super secretly investigated tell a coach, everything's great?

 

[ruhudsonfan]

You can't be that clueless as to how information travels amongst teammates and somehow in some form a coach gets wind of a few of his kids maybe having a problem.
You could very well be correct and he was aware of no investigation, no fight and had no idea TJ and Boggs were bad kids…I'm saying it's hard to believe, yet it could be true.
The ridiculous scenarios you keep bringing up as how information travels are spreads amongst teammates is not what happens.
Coaches sense a kid may not be focused or quiet, not acting like themselves, they may ask his teammates what's up with so and so, he's acting strange…people don't act normal when they have full scale investigations hanging over their heads…It's not far fetched for
a head coach to feel something is not right at confront his players. Would all of those players being super secretly investigated tell a coach, everything's great?

Exactly.

It is not fathomable that nobody else in that room knew.

 

[zappaa]

When I played our coaches didn't have a clue what we did after we left the athletic center. Zip, zero, nada. When a coach was around the chatter stopped.

Something the NCAA fails to realize and and why they railroaded USCw with the Reggie Bush issue.

So you went and had a beer and smoked a joint because you weren't drug tested, you got drunk and pushed around a few kids, no one got hurt, and the drunk sex you had with a girl went unreported.
Try being the target of a full scale criminal investigation, and having former and present teammates commiting armed robbery, and tell me your old coaches would not have heard something, anything?

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

This last part troubles me. Aren't you an attorney? Prosectors often don't bring cases. Has nothing to do with whether suspects "did anything wrong." But I'm sure you know that.

If 1 kid is involved with something, I can understand people not knowing. However, not 5. Not high profile incidents like this. Someone linked a Reddit post of a RU student posting about Peele breaking the kid's jaw. Also said that girls he knows that work with the team are "afraid" of Peele.

It's incomprehensible that nobody in that locker room, other than the 5 involved, knew about this. Being around teams for more than 3/4 of my life, I cannot be convinced of that.

I get your point that the player may have committed a crime and the State may not prosecute for some reason.

But while I understand what your saying, I'm not sure what the coaches are supposed to do about it. So they hear the rumors. The ask the player if anything happened and he denies it. Are they supposed to suspend the player on the rumor alone? It just seems to me like the natural time to make the suspension is when (1) the player admits what he did (2) an arrest is made or (3) when a university disciplinary action occurs with real witnesses and formal process.

I don't think you can, or should, go down the rabbit hole of suggesting kids be kicked off the team or suspended for alleged wrongdoing. What happens when chas Dodd says he saw Nova shoplifting at the mall? I'm joking but you see my point.

 

[MozRU]

So you went and had a beer and smoked a joint because you weren't drug tested, you got drunk and pushed around a few kids, no one got hurt, and the drunk sex you had with a girl went unreported.
Try being the target of a full scale criminal investigation, and having former and present teammates commiting armed robbery, and tell me your old coaches would not have heard something, anything?

BAHAHHHAHA Take it easy. So we pushed over a few campus signs, got thrown out of a few frat parties with some scuffling and left beer cans around campus Saturday night. Alright, maybe left an empty on the hood of the campus security's car. Guilty.

 

[zappaa]

I get your point that the player may have committed a crime and the State may not prosecute for some reason.

But while I understand what your saying, I'm not sure what the coaches are supposed to do about it. So they hear the rumors. The ask the player if anything happened and he denies it. Are they supposed to suspend the player on the rumor alone? It just seems to me like the natural time to make the suspension is when (1) the player admits what he did (2) an arrest is made or (3) when a university disciplinary action occurs with real witnesses and formal process.

I don't think you can, or should, go down the rabbit hole of suggesting kids be kicked off the team or suspended for alleged wrongdoing. What happens when chas Dodd says he saw Nova shoplifting at the mall? I'm joking but you see my point.

Based on your answer here cabbage, you agree Flood was not shocked when police cars showed up at the Hale Center. I agree, he had to prepare his team.

 

[zappaa]

BAHAHHHAHA Take it easy. So we pushed over a few campus signs, got thrown out of a few frat parties with some scuffling and left beer cans around campus Saturday night. Alright, maybe left an empty on the hood of the campus security's car. Guilty.

Exactly, you're right, if the cops were not involved the coaches would not have found out.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

I get your point that the player may have committed a crime and the State may not prosecute for some reason.

But while I understand what your saying, I'm not sure what the coaches are supposed to do about it. So they hear the rumors. The ask the player if anything happened and he denies it. Are they supposed to suspend the player on the rumor alone? It just seems to me like the natural time to make the suspension is when (1) the player admits what he did (2) an arrest is made or (3) when a university disciplinary action occurs with real witnesses and formal process.

I don't think you can, or should, go down the rabbit hole of suggesting kids be kicked off the team or suspended for alleged wrongdoing. What happens when chas Dodd says he saw Nova shoplifting at the mall? I'm joking but you see my point.

I think there are gray areas.

And I think when miscreants like Peele and Barnwell are involved, I err on the side of caution and sit them pending the investigation. Not vice versa. Maybe I make a back channel call to RU or NBPD and say, "what's the story on my guys?"

On one hand, this board is praising Flood for being proactive about Barnwell's academics--sending e-mails which violate policy, regardless of how silly we think the policy is. On the other, people are suggesting that it's ok that the head coach had his head in the sand when a handful of his players were running around campus like a band of brigands.

We can't have it both ways and preserve any credibility.

 

[MS-RU]

BAHAHHHAHA Take it easy. So we pushed over a few campus signs, got thrown out of a few frat parties with some scuffling and left beer cans around campus Saturday night. Alright, maybe left an empty on the hood of the campus security's car. Guilty.

You are proving his point. All of those incidents are almost completely harmless, that's the difference. Of course the coaches werent going to hear about those types of things. Now, if one of you were sending people to the hospital or commuting serious crimes, there is no way they wouldn't get some sort of tip off especially if the police are involved.

 

[RUChoppin]

I can't help but wonder whether the loss of players in the secondary after 2012 left a leadership/role model gap within that unit. We lost a ton of upperclassmen, who had been the latest in a long line of standouts at CB over many years.... and then we ended up relying heavily on guys who were new to the program/culture/etc. Did a lack of more mature players in the room lead to a breakdown in continuity in that positional unit with regard to how to comport yourself on and off the field?

 

[RU76]

I would hope that if a rumor circulates that a player did something criminal the coach should inquire, document his findings, take action if confirmed and report his findings whether or not confirmed to the AD and campus police. Anything less adheres to the PSU model.