At Ohio State, Schiano Gets a 'Master's Degree' in Coaching

[Knight Shift]

Nice write up on Greg. Talks about his time at Rutgers and other opportunities. He does not appear eager to take a new head coaching job right away.
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/ohio-state-schiano-masters-degree-coaching-43378812

"Any relationship is about fit. I've had opportunities that just weren't a fit for me to be a head coach. If and when the fit is right that's when I'll do it and the same for them," Schiano said. "Some people are looking for a younger guy that doesn't have a whole bunch of experience, but is kind of catch the rising star so to speak. Where other people are looking for something else. It's the same for me. At this stage in my career, I don't need to be a head coach. Would I like to be? Yeah, I would like to be again someday."

"What he did was try to add a little bit more swag to the defense," junior linebacker Chris Worley said. "Not just thinking about making a good play but thinking about making a great play. Not just thinking about stopping teams, but becoming a smothering defense."
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I miss Greg's smothering defense. :cry:

 

[ashokan]

I miss Greg's smother defense. :cry:

Greg was great at smothering defenses. Unfortunately he made smothering offenses too - left RU defenses gasping for air

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Greg was great at smothering defenses. Unfortunately he made smothering offenses too - left RU defenses gasping for air

That is a bit of a stretch in an effort to offer that turn-of-phrase. He had some pretty good Os too. Perhaps Ash has shown us how defensive-minded coaches get too conservative on O with even a small lead. GS was guilty of that.

He did reach too far in his effort to "smother" an offense from time to time allowing for some unlikely conversions on third and long.

That is, his smothering D created a lot of 3rd and longs.. which they are designed to do... bend but not break.. while taking risks to produce that 3rd and long that stops drives.. then he'd do all-out blitzes making conversion on those 3rd and longs easier.

Smart opposing coaches knew this trend. Cincinnati, certainly, spent an entire pre-season getting ready to beat Schiano's D with quick timing passes and GS did not adjust during the game.. crazy.

 

[RU4Real]

That is a bit of a stretch in an effort to offer that turn-of-phrase. He had some pretty good Os too. Perhaps Ash has shown us how defensive-minded coaches get too conservative on O with even a small lead. GS was guilty of that.

He did reach too far in his effort to "smother" an offense from time to time allowing for some unlikely conversions on third and long.

That is, his smothering D created a lot of 3rd and longs.. which they are designed to do... bend but not break.. while taking risks to produce that 3rd and long that stops drives.. then he'd do all-out blitzes making conversion on those 3rd and longs easier.

Smart opposing coaches knew this trend. Cincinnati, certainly, spent an entire pre-season getting ready to beat Schiano's D with quick timing passes and GS did not adjust during the game.. crazy.

That's why I think that the best coaching staff is headed by an offensive guru, backed up by a very strong DC.

 

[Knightmoves]

Is he saying that the Rutgers and Tampa Bay head coaching jobs were not a fit for him ?

Many people I know would agree with that statement, ha !

 

[rutgersal]

Translation: "I want a Texas, PSU, USC, UF caliber program where I'll have the best chance of succeeding. Working at ohio state under Urban Meyer, I can afford to wait for the best fit. I want an already established program/brand. No more brand building for me"

 

[RURM85]

Is he saying that the Rutgers and Tampa Bay head coaching jobs were not a fit for him ?

Many people I know would agree with that statement, ha !

I think he's talking about opportunities (HC jobs) that he either didn't take and/or were ultimately not offered to him, and not a reference to his 2 HC jobs.

 

[Knightmoves]

Translation: "I want a Texas, PSU, USC, UF caliber program where I'll have the best chance of succeeding. Working at ohio state under Urban Meyer, I can afford to wait for the best fit. I want an already established program/brand. No more brand building for me"

Do you think that any of those schools would give Greg the time of day during a HC search ?

Winning on a national level and making the CFB playoffs ( and more ) every year is the minimum of what boosters and fans of those programs expect.

 

[Knight Shift]

Do you think that any of those schools would give Greg the time of day during a HC search ?

Winning on a national level and making the CFB playoffs ( and more ) every year is the minimum of what boosters and fans of those programs expect.

Yeah, think Greg would be able to get a Purdue, Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Maryland, Northwestern after 2 years under Meyer at tOSU. Or an ACC school like Duke, UVa, NC State, Boston College. But think it would be tough sell to the top shelf teams in a P5 conference.

 

[ashokan]

That is a bit of a stretch in an effort to offer that turn-of-phrase. He had some pretty good Os too. .

He had a one-off talent in Rice, and some great players in Zuttah, Leonard etc. However after 2006 RU always was bad in the red zone (the way you measure a good offense vs the other misleading stats). Not only did RU stink in red zone but the dreadful OL recruiting created the DI record setting season sack calamity that unfolded while QB position went to hell. Its fair to say Greg (and I was a fan) created one of the worst offenses in modernish CFB history in 2010. The Legrand horror made it even worse. Then he followed that up by letting Nova sink a season that had some promise

 

[JRZEER]

IMO his NFL experience will make him a better college HC. Seems like he's grown as a leader and a person. Hope he gets another shot.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Greg's window to land an elite HC job in college was after the 2006 season.

The fact that he couldn't sustain that success here and then his total embarrassing Tampa run killed any chance of getting one of those high level jobs.

However, a good run at DC at OSU for a few years can put him in the mix again.

 

[mdk01]

I think the Tampa Bay money and the OSU position allows him to be choosey. Even he doesn't get a HC gig, being a DC for a school that will annually be in the hunt for a playoff spot with a comfortable retirement sitting in the bank makes for a pretty good life.

 

[ashokan]

Greg's window to land an elite HC job in college was after the 2006 season.
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He ruined best QB recruit RU had. Savage was Freshman AA and with WR like Sanu something special could have bloomed. Instead you got to watch Savage get injured and concussed behind the Swiss cheese line that couldn't block for the run either. People blame the Savage parents but the kid was looking at an NFL career where multiple concussions and injuries get you blackballed. I didn't blame them at all wanting to leave RU. The kicker was the kid really liked RU

 

[rutgersal]

Do you think that any of those schools would give Greg the time of day during a HC search ?

Winning on a national level and making the CFB playoffs ( and more ) every year is the minimum of what boosters and fans of those programs expect.

He'd be a great fit for USC. He'd recruit the hell out of the LA and would land so much talent that hed succeed. Pete Carroll was a failure in New England before he succeeded there.

 

[Extra Point]

Looking at his win records, you can argue that Ray Rice was his best offense. Seasons before and after RR the win records weren't that great. I think he won 1 game his second year as HC at Rutgers.

 

[Extra Point]

Coach Schiano is still pretty young (50) so I think he will be a head coach in the near future. He will have a lot more experience and know how than when he took the Rutgers job.

 

[CERU00]

That's why I think that the best coaching staff is headed by an offensive guru, backed up by a very strong DC.

This seems to hold true. Besides Saban it seems like most of the best programs are led by offensive minds and innovators.. Hopefully Mehringer grows into this.

 

[REDRICH65]

Stay where you are with your buddy and a consistent top 5 program. Just have fun. No Need to get greedy or stressed.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Who was the OL coach during that time?

you don't have to answer that...

 

[vkj91]

You guys are crazy if you think he's getting a USC or Texas type job

 

[RUBand]

Nice write up on Greg. Talks about his time at Rutgers and other opportunities. He does not appear eager to take a new head coaching job right away.
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/ohio-state-schiano-masters-degree-coaching-43378812

"Any relationship is about fit. I've had opportunities that just weren't a fit for me to be a head coach. If and when the fit is right that's when I'll do it and the same for them," Schiano said. "Some people are looking for a younger guy that doesn't have a whole bunch of experience, but is kind of catch the rising star so to speak. Where other people are looking for something else. It's the same for me. At this stage in my career, I don't need to be a head coach. Would I like to be? Yeah, I would like to be again someday."

"What he did was try to add a little bit more swag to the defense," junior linebacker Chris Worley said. "Not just thinking about making a good play but thinking about making a great play. Not just thinking about stopping teams, but becoming a smothering defense."
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I miss Greg's smothering defense. :cry:

GS had his share of good defenses, and some that had wide open middle zones. I never saw Edsall gasping for air when we were on defense

 

[rutgersal]

You guys are crazy if you think he's getting a USC or Texas type job

i said thats what he wants. now whether he's going to get it, is another question. would probably settle for a UVa or similar.

 

[AshSaturday]

Don't necessarily agree with what about I'm about to say (didn't read article) but many I know say if Schiano received a master's in coaching he'd need a doctorate.

Also you can have many degrees but if you aren't easy to get along with you often wont succeed.

 

[ru-baby]

You're crazy if you think that after a few years with Urban and perhaps a nc that he wouldn't get a premier SC Texas etc job.

 

[ashokan]

You may want to re-check those stats. Believe it or not, 2006 wasn't a great year for red zone scoring. Look at the years after (and before).

On another page RU 2006 ranks 10th for:

Red Zone Scores per Game
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/red-zone-scores-per-game?date=2007-01-09

 

[Knightmoves]

i said thats what he wants. now whether he's going to get it, is another question. would probably settle for a UVa or similar.

OK, so you reported that he wants to be a HC at a national championship program, but now admit that he will accept a UVA or similar program ?

Are you trying to become his agent ? Because you seem to be talking caca to fellow RU fans.

Greg is not a candidate for a national championship type of program. Not now, not ever.

 

[scarletschuyler]

Enough of these " You're crazy if you think......"responses. However, if you really think Greg would be short-listed by USC, you haven't taken your meds today.

 

[MADHAT1]

Is he saying that the Rutgers and Tampa Bay head coaching jobs were not a fit for him ?

Many people I know would agree with that statement, ha !

So far it looks like TB hasn't been a right fit for along time.
From before Schiano was hired and looking like the present HC isn't fitting like it was thought he would.
But the season's young and 3-5 is a pretty good record after 8 games for the Bucs.
Hoetter might prove to be the type of fit the Bucs need

As for RU , Greg was a good fit in the beginning building a program, getting people to support it, getting more fans in the stands and making the RU fanbase proud of RU FB and expecting great things from the program.
Great things was Schiano's downfall because he raised the fanbase's expectations
but never reached the goals the fans expected.
By the end of his tenure the fit wasn't right anymore and it was time for him to leave.
The stepping stone he left could have been built on , but it was turned into a stumbling block by his replacement who proved to be a very bad fit.

 

[WG78]

You guys are crazy if you think he's getting a USC or Texas type job

USC was VERY interested in him and had him high on their list, but decided to stay in house and give Helton the job on a full time basis. He also was Miami's #1 candidate last year and 1 day away from being offered the job until Richt got fired and fell into their lap. This I know for a 100% fact.

 

[ashokan]

As for RU , Greg was a good fit in the beginning building a program..By the end of his tenure the fit wasn't right anymore and it was time for him to leave.
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Greg is an Old Testament kind of coach - good at laying down the law and creating a culture. Alas he couldn't get to the promised land any more than Moses could. Hiring Flood for a year was ok but that should have been it. His CV never screamed HC despite initial wins.

 

[rutgersdave]

Still the obsession for Schiano

 

[John Otterstedt]

People high up the food chain at Boston College would like to see him there. I think he would be a very good fit for that program. I don't see him going much higher than that on the college football food chain unless Ohio State wins another national championship with him as their defensive coordinator.

 

[Knightmoves]

People high up the food chain at Boston College would like to see him there. I think he would be a very good fit for that program. I don't see him going much higher than that on the college football food chain unless Ohio State wins another national championship with him as their defensive coordinator.

That would be a good spot for Greg. But BC fans expect to compete for ACC championships. That's why the job may be open again soon based on their record this season.

They got hammered by VT, Clemson and Louisville and also lost to Syracuse at home. Expect another beat down at FSU this weekend. Not very confident that Greg can compete at BC against top ACC teams in the next few years.

 

[rutgersal]

People high up the food chain at Boston College would like to see him there. I think he would be a very good fit for that program. I don't see him going much higher than that on the college football food chain unless Ohio State wins another national championship with him as their defensive coordinator.

If Greg really, really wanted the Rutgers job, I think he could have had it. Its for this reason, I don't think he'd want the Boston College job. I see his sights as being higher. Tennessee, Georgia, Miami, Florida, Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State, Florida State, Texas, USC, LSU, and Oregon or similar are in his Tier 1 level of interest. If he can't get that, a situation like UNC or similar could appeal to him. No more building/rebuilding situations for him, (been there, done that) unless it is at a traditional powerhouse which has already established its brand. Miami would have been perfect for him.

He can bide his time at Ohio State till he finds the best fit, which actually. He doesn't have to rush.

 

[MADHAT1]

If Greg really, really wanted the Rutgers job, I think he could have had it. Its for this reason, I don't think he'd want the Boston College job. I see his sights as being higher. Tennessee, Georgia, Miami, Florida, Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State, Florida State, Texas, USC, LSU, and Oregon or similar are in his Tier 1 level of interest. If he can't get that, a situation like UNC or similar could appeal to him. No more building/rebuilding situations for him, (been there, done that) unless it is at a traditional powerhouse which has already established its brand. Miami would have been perfect for him.

He can bide his time at Ohio State till he finds the best fit, which actually. He doesn't have to rush.

Don't think either Schiano or Rutgers was interested in a second go round.
Schiano was wearing out his welcome and knew RU fans were tired of waiting for him to bring RU FB to the next level.
He knew ( my opinion without knowing what he thought) if he took the job the fans would expect instant success and major bowl bids right away . That he probably felt would be years away and might get canned before it happened.
Rutgers knew he would be demanding more then they were willing to give and felt there are enough anti Schiano fans in RU's fanbase that they could look for someone else and not face an angry fanbase. (That's just my opinion without any proof it's true)

 

[ashokan]

People high up the food chain at Boston College would like to see him there. I think he would be a very good fit for that program. I don't see him going much higher than that on the college football food chain unless Ohio State wins another national championship with him as their defensive coordinator.

Indeed a stout catholic from NJ at a Catholic college with knowledge of all those Catholic teams in NJ. GS would be interesting there.

 

[rucoe89]

That's why I think that the best coaching staff is headed by an offensive guru, backed up by a very strong DC.

The NY Giants will be a good testing ground for that theory this year.

 

[rutgersal]

Don't think either Schiano or Rutgers was interested in a second go round.
Schiano was wearing out his welcome and knew RU fans were tired of waiting for him to bring RU FB to the next level.
He knew ( my opinion without knowing what he thought) if he took the job the fans would expect instant success and major bowl bids right away . That he probably felt would be years away and might get canned before it happened.
Rutgers knew he would be demanding more then they were willing to give and felt there are enough anti Schiano fans in RU's fanbase that they could look for someone else and not face an angry fanbase. (That's just my opinion without any proof it's true)

Schiano has an ego the size of Texas and didn't care what the fans thought. If we paid enough, Schiano would have taken the job.
The biggest reason that Schiano didn't take the job, imo, is there isn't enough support to hire a top flight group of assistants, let alone win a national championship. Everything is more difficult to here, especially recruiting. You have to work harder to achieve less. That is why he wants a program with an already built brand, and also the support to win at the highest level.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Don't think either Schiano or Rutgers was interested in a second go round.

That is correct. Zero interest on either side. Rutgers wanted a true fresh start and GS's been there and done that.

No hard feelings however.