Carino: RU & SHU History
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The moral of the story is this game is 10x more massive after last weekend. A win and all will be forgotten, maybe not entirely by some but Pike will be back on the pedestal, good vibes and the season marches on. A blowout loss and it will start to look like the football board over here.
Some fans here are way too reactionary. You have the group that gets way ahead of itself when we win (talking post season play) and the one that goes way overboard, wringing their hands in angst when we have a WTF loss. The problem I see with each is using any one game as bellwether for the program.
That being said, I think an exception can be made for rivalry games. Not so much for being a bellwether of the programs direction, but for the level of angst. Since our games against SHU have been so competitive over the years, a blowout loss is sure to cause a meltdown. What happens if there's a blowout win?
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The "Rutgers section", Section-5, has lots of tickets available on the re-sale sites including TicketExchange, Stubhub and TickPick
RU bought a lot of Group Tickets and is selling them as part of the pregame tailgate package at Redds.
But, a lot remain so Rutgers is trying to sell them on those above mentioned sites now, at a higher price.
Section-5 should be mostly red, if you are still in need of tickets , you may want to go with that section
RU bought a lot of Group Tickets and is selling them as part of the pregame tailgate package at Redds.
But, a lot remain so Rutgers is trying to sell them on those above mentioned sites now, at a higher price.
Section-5 should be mostly red, if you are still in need of tickets , you may want to go with that section
RU won this game last year and it was meaningless to catapulting their season and meaningless to hurting SHU's NCAA season. Its likely whatever the outcome will not say where each team is heading.
This is so true. If you remember, we went into the crapper after the SHU game. In fact, if it wasn’t for those 3 games at the Garden, this forum would not nearly be as positive.
Agreed, but as a SHU fan, it really sucked!!! Lol I enjoy the rivalry and the game is meaningful to me as a fan. The rivalry began for me in the mid-90s when we were both recruiting TimThomas. Luicci wrote some great recruiting stories for the NSL back in those days.
2008 game with Bobby in his baby blue jacket melting down after Inman's ridiculous wobbly 25 ft 3 pointer at the buzzer is still the best.
RU's 2-point loss at the Meadowlands in 1999 still sticks in my craw. If we won that game, we would have been dancing. The 1998-99 season was our best chance to earn a NCAA bid since 1991.
Games weren't all that competitive in 2014 0r 2015. However most of them have been. Trying to remember when RU beat SHU two times in a row. Other than the two BE games during the 2012-13 season I cant remember. I know RU beat the Hall 2/3 times in 2006 and in 2011. I need a historian to check my facts.
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The article was surprising as the series to me had seemed much more lopsided in their favor than the games he profiled suggest.
But the one piece of our history with SHU wasn't a game at all. It was Fred Gruninger's decision in 1976 or 77 to keep RU out of the original Big East, instead choosing to follow Paterno's idea of creating an all-sports conference in the northeast. Of course, any such conference would have to include our natural rivals Syracuse and BC, which were going into that original BE, to shortly be joined by Pitt. Our other big bball rivals - St. John's, Villanova, and UConn were also in the BE. That decision led to the BE offering SHU - a logical MAAC school - NJ's spot in the BE, setting RU hoops back many years. So I've felt for decades that Gruninger created SHU bball. Without him, they'd be playing Canisius, Niagara, Manhattan, Iona, etc. in the cosy confines of Walsh Gym.
But the one piece of our history with SHU wasn't a game at all. It was Fred Gruninger's decision in 1976 or 77 to keep RU out of the original Big East, instead choosing to follow Paterno's idea of creating an all-sports conference in the northeast. Of course, any such conference would have to include our natural rivals Syracuse and BC, which were going into that original BE, to shortly be joined by Pitt. Our other big bball rivals - St. John's, Villanova, and UConn were also in the BE. That decision led to the BE offering SHU - a logical MAAC school - NJ's spot in the BE, setting RU hoops back many years. So I've felt for decades that Gruninger created SHU bball. Without him, they'd be playing Canisius, Niagara, Manhattan, Iona, etc. in the cosy confines of Walsh Gym.
Last year we had Deshawn Freeman, Corey, Mike Williams, to them all it was personal. Big factor in this rivalry. To all the young guys, freshmen on our team, do they understand the importance? Do they have the fight in them? Do they take it personally? That is what I fear, they don’t quite understand yet, and why I fear a blow out loss coming.
Gruninger--an RU Hall of Shame should be opened just for him.
I actually think we are closer in talent level to SHU than we've been in many years (since Rice's days when we actually were pulling away from them as program, until the implosion), but I expect SHU will be locked and loaded in their house. We better be ready for a hornets nest.
RU won two straight in 2013 (actually three in a row dating back to the previous season)...
February 25, 2012 at the Rock: Rutgers 77, Seton Hall 72 (OT)
February 12, 2013 at the RAC: Rutgers 57, Seton Hall 55
March 8, 2013 at the Rock: Rutgers 56, Seton Hall 51
Rice crushed Willard in recruiting during their respective 1st year as head coach. As the records suggest, however, recruiting started to even up.
The Murdoch tape nuked us....and gave Willard the lifeline he badly needed then. The Whitehead/Delgado recruiting class was a crusher, and man I'm glad they're gone even though we pulled out a win last year.
Is there a video compiliation of highlights somewhere showing great moments from past RUTGERS-seton hall games? I tried to locate something on YouTube.
Some details here a little off but the overall point is spot on. I’ve akways felt that Seton Hall should name a building after Gruninger for all of the money he’s brought the school.
Rice was 5-1 against Willard and finished ahead of him in the Big East in year three of their tenures.
For the class of 2010, Rutgers was 81st and SHU was 87th in recruiting. In 2011, both schools had huge classes in terms of number of players. Rutgers had 8 players and was ranked 18th, SHU had 7 players and ranked 48th. Neither had a rated class in 2012.
If Rice wasn't a maniac and held onto Biruta while adding Mack, Jack, Seagers, and Judge (plus Dane Miller as a FHJ holdover) I think we could've have a winning record somewhere in there, and who knows what would have happened from there. The move to the AAC might have set us back regardless, or he could've gotten some momentum for joining the Big Ten, it's impossible to say.
