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Did this happen with commits when we've changed coaches before ?

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You can't really count the Schiano/Flood change 'cause Flood was on GS's staff....so it wasn't a clean break. But what about when Schiano replaced Shea ? Or when Shea replaced Graber ? Or when Graber replaced Anderson ?
Did we lose many of the outgoing regimes verbals ? Were all of the classes for the incoming coach light because of defections ? I can't recall.
 
To the best of my recollection the answer is no. We did not lose recruits to this degree. However I do feel that circumstances and prior commitments put coach Ash in a bit of a bind.... He really walked into a recruiting hornets nest this year. Next year may be different.

I felt that Doug Graber actually had some decent recruiting classes during his tenure as head coach.
 
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Kbee3 said:
You can't really count the Schiano/Flood change 'cause Flood was on GS's staff....so it wasn't a clean break. But what about when Schiano replaced Shea ? Or when Shea replaced Graber ? Or when Graber replaced Anderson ?
Did we lose many of the outgoing regimes verbals ? Were all of the classes for the incoming coach light because of defections ? I can't recall.
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I have no idea, but whether the results are better or worse would be irrelevant to me because you really can't compare over the years. College football recruiting is an entirely different animal today than in the pre-Schiano era. When coaches were fired or left for other jobs, you didn't have recruits being bombarded with Twitter DMs from interested coaches and fanbases trying to lure the kid to their school.
 
LiKnight said:
It is not surprising since it is way too late in the process for the new staff to have anything but a minor impact.

Next year will be different.
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It basically has to be. Current team is relatively depleted in terms of depth and this class will augment that problem. Ash has to get an 'A' tier recruiting class next year to start making up a lot of lost ground.
 
RU31trap said:
To the best of my recollection the answer is no. We did not lose recruits to this degree. However I do feel that circumstances and prior commitments put coach Ash in a bit of a bind.... He really walked into a recruiting hornets nest this year. Next year may be different.

I felt that Doug Graber actually had some decent recruiting classes during his tenure as head coach.
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1) We never had a recruiting class that we cared anything about when we switched coaches previously

2) largely because this silly world we are in of hanging on every breath of any recruit and sitting on pins and needles never existed...we truly have too much info now and collectively don't have the maturity to handle it
 
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From what I recall, when Schiano was hired there were only three commits. Chris Loomis ended up signing and the other two were encouraged to explore other options.
 
You have never changed coaches in the B1G before. It's a whole different ball park, look what happened to PSU when they switched over and at what happened to Maryland yesterday.
 
Recruiting was a lot different back when Graber was coach. You wouldn't know most of the recruits until signing day. I would buy the Ledger to get the RU class and USA Today as they would have all the teams
 
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Akron Buck said:
You have never changed coaches in the B1G before. It's a whole different ball park, look what happened to PSU when they switched over and at what happened to Maryland yesterday.
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why should it matter now that we're in the Big Ten? Why should a change in head coaches matter that much more , especially if the offensive and defensive schemes don't change that much?
 
I think some people are wrongly projecting what our last experience was more generally. We hired Flood specifically to keep the class together (and he was inexpensive.) I think the norm most places would be more turnover than we experienced last go around. There are a lot of fans that only really tuned in post Schiano's arrival and that was a long time ago.
Recruit upheaval is the cost of doing business when you are in the new coach regime enterprise. Losing some recruits now hopefully is a good investment in the long haul.
 
Didn't most recruits commit very close to signing period years ago. I remember reading about the commitments a day after they visited in the January time frame. I don't think there were all the early commitments as there are today.
 
jonS said:
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why should it matter now that we're in the Big Ten? Why should a change in head coaches matter that much more , especially if the offensive and defensive schemes don't change that much?
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Being in a better conference ypur recruits should be better overall, your program also has more visability overall. As for changing coaches, the recruits build a relationship with the coaching staff, when they are all gone that relationship is broken and it gives other coaches who have most likely been talking to your commit the entire time a chance to move in and replace them.
 
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c_husk said:
Didn't most recruits commit very close to signing period years ago. I remember reading about the commitments a day after they visited in the January time frame. I don't think there were all the early commitments as there are today.
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There's that and the only time RU has gone thru a coaching change in the last 15 years was Schiano/Flood 4 years ago. In that case the rest of the staff stayed in place till after NSD and other schools only had a few days to try to flip the recruits. Even then RU lost and chance with Fuller (UCLA)who would have committed to Schiano and a TE to Boston College.

Also, Rutgers wasn't recruiting as much against the big boys prior to Schiano. The RU recruits had few if any big time options.
 
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RU31trap said:
To the best of my recollection the answer is no. We did not lose recruits to this degree. However I do feel that circumstances and prior commitments put coach Ash in a bit of a bind.... He really walked into a recruiting hornets nest this year. Next year may be different.

I felt that Doug Graber actually had some decent recruiting classes during his tenure as head coach.
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The type of commits we had back then had no other options
 
How soon people forget. You guys don't remember the decommits of 2013? And Flood made a bowl game that year! You don't think missing out on a bowl would not have had any impact? Lost in all of these is the fact that many of these kids would have left anyway - EVEN if Flood was still the coach.
 
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Idubthee Knight said:
From what I recall, when Schiano was hired there were only three commits. Chris Loomis ended up signing and the other two were encouraged to explore other options.
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You are 100% right. One was a qb from Ohio who ended up at La Tech (Matt Kubik). The other was kid named Pete Khoury from PA who never got ther grades to play D1. Between Graber/Shea you didn't have the early commit like you do now. So there was no one to drop/flip. That was Dec1995/Jan 1996. Rutgers football didn't even have a main stream fan site let alone recruiting coverage.
 
Akron Buck said:
You have never changed coaches in the B1G before. It's a whole different ball park, look what happened to PSU when they switched over and at what happened to Maryland yesterday.
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Have no idea what you are attempting to say here. You use MD and PSU as examples, yet they are very different outcomes, psu got the new coach momentum and had a positive signing class, md hasn't played out yet but is trending negative.
I also think you meant whole different "ballgame', not ball park. Some just get too carried away with the B1G, its one of a few good conferences, not the only conference to be benchmarked against, put down the kool-aid
 
Kbee3 said:
You can't really count the Schiano/Flood change 'cause Flood was on GS's staff....so it wasn't a clean break. But what about when Schiano replaced Shea ? Or when Shea replaced Graber ? Or when Graber replaced Anderson ?
Did we lose many of the outgoing regimes verbals ? Were all of the classes for the incoming coach light because of defections ? I can't recall.
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Because Schiano did us a favor by leaving right before signing date and recruits didn't have a chance to jump ship. Some of our idiot fans didn't know it was in our advantage in the timing.
 
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I think the biggest thing going against Ash recruiting-wise is the late shift because of OSU's bowl game. If it were a different case, I think he woul dhave more success.
 
withoutregard said:
Have no idea what you are attempting to say here. You use MD and PSU as examples, yet they are very different outcomes, psu got the new coach momentum and had a positive signing class, md hasn't played out yet but is trending negative.
I also think you meant whole different "ballgame', not ball park. Some just get too carried away with the B1G, its one of a few good conferences, not the only conference to be benchmarked against, put down the kool-aid
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Is this the Round Table or did I walk into English Comp 101? Joking.

I believe his point is RU is engaged in recruiting battles at a higher level now (B1G v. BE/AAC). Because of that any commit RU has is very desirable to most schools. Any blip or bump gets a large number of name programs trying to flip the kid.
 
RU31trap said:
To the best of my recollection the answer is no. We did not lose recruits to this degree. However I do feel that circumstances and prior commitments put coach Ash in a bit of a bind.... He really walked into a recruiting hornets nest this year. Next year may be different.

I felt that Doug Graber actually had some decent recruiting classes during his tenure as head coach.
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His first year or two yes but I remember being very disappointed with his classes after the back-to-back winning seasons. He should have really seized the moment but sort of under performed, imo. All his talk in the media then was about the stadium expansion. I was like, what about the recruits, Oug ?
 
rutgersdave said:
Because Schiano did us a favor by leaving right before signing date and recruits didn't have a chance to jump ship. Some of our idiot fans didn't know it was in our advantage in the timing.
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the favor he did us by leaving right before signing day was far outweighed by the damage caused due to the fact that we did not have enough time to do a proper search for a head coach and got stuck with Flood.
 
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RUinsane said:
You are 100% right. One was a qb from Ohio who ended up at La Tech (Matt Kubik). The other was kid named Pete Khoury from PA who never got ther grades to play D1. Between Graber/Shea you didn't have the early commit like you do now. So there was no one to drop/flip. That was Dec1995/Jan 1996. Rutgers football didn't even have a main stream fan site let alone recruiting coverage.
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No main stream fan site? there was Exit 109, rutgersfan.com, Joel recht, Bob Deano, USENET rec.sport.football.college.Rutgers and station wctc. You had to poke around a bit. Also Joe Calabrese of the NSL kept us informed.
 
BiggMoosie said:
I think the biggest thing going against Ash recruiting-wise is the late shift because of OSU's bowl game. If it were a different case, I think he woul dhave more success.
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I'm going to guess you will blame the first 3 and out in the 1st game on Ash coaching the bowl game. Time to let it go.
 
rubaseball78 said:
I'm going to guess you will blame the first 3 and out in the 1st game on Ash coaching the bowl game. Time to let it go.
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No, that's because of on-field player execution. I'm not salty about him staying with OSU-- it's commendable. Just merely stating my opinion that it likely had an effect. This, too, will pass & we will recover.
 
RUTGERZ_R00LZ said:
No main stream fan site? there was Exit 109, rutgersfan.com, Joel recht, Bob Deano, USENET rec.sport.football.college.Rutgers and station wctc. You had to poke around a bit. Also Joe Calabrese of the NSL kept us informed.
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C'Mon roolz. 1) ShipRecht had more info on his boat than RU. 2) Exit 109 didn't come on line until 1997 somewhere over that year Mike and BigDog combined their strengths into one place for text based updates. 3) Rutgers fan was 1998. 4) Print and Radio don't count. They basically covered zero recruiting and you know it. They would have an article/story on signing day or the day after and that's it. And now you're going to bring up usenet sites. That's not mainstream. That was for computer people only. Most people were just getting internet in their house via AoL. So I stand by my assertion that in 1995 there was minimal coverage of RU in general and especially on the web. That slowly grew over the next couple of years, but not until about 1999 did Rutgersfan establish itself as the first main stream site
 
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