Dream Situation at OC
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if you didnt learn from tom herman, you arent going to learn from helf.
It's not necessarily an inability to learn - it's just an inadequate amount of time. The friggin' kid had just two years with Herman. One as a GA at OSU and one as WR coach at Houston. Imagine two years under the tutelage of Helfrich.
Everything I've ever heard out of the kid's mouth suggests that he can eventually grow into the job. He's just not ready yet.
Remind me to piss in your Cheerios tomorrow morning.
It may have been Chip Kelly's system, but it was executed with beauty under the guidance of Helfrich. Did you not think Oregon's offense was prolific and revolutionary?
Hadn't realized he was a Cyclones Grad Assistant during the 2011 Pinstripe Bowl. Herman got owned that game.
Good stuff! Gary and Bob Fraser beat Paul Rhodes and Tom Herman. Who would've known Tom Herman would be the head coach of Texas 5 years later.
Oregon was good when Mariota was there. Once he left Oregon went to bits. Helfrich/Mariota was like Strong/Bridgewater I think.
Helfrich was the OC at Oregon during Chip Kelly's tenure. Mariota played three seasons 2012-2014. Before Mariota, Kelly & Helfrich guided guys like Jeremiah Masoli and Darron Thomas to a 2010 national championship game. Not the high standards we're used to here in Piscataway, but not exactly slouches either.[laughing]
Oregon's offense has been good to very good these last couple years without Mariota. It's his defense that's been atrocious especially this year. Who knows what on earth possessed him to hire Brady Hoke as DC when you have an Oregon budget. Might have been able to get Aranda before LSU pounced on him. He's from the West Coast too and even though he didn't go to Oregon State with Andersen, Oregon isn't Oregon State status wise.
If you're looking to Oregon for an co-OC, Matt Lubick is the name I've mentioned to look at but he's only been the OC for this 1 year after Frost left. So he's light on experience too. He's got good bloodlines though with Sonny Lubick as his father but still light on OC experience. He's been a WR/passing game coordinator at Oregon the 3 years prior to being OC this year and also WR/DB coach at various other stops in his career.
If you're looking to Oregon for an co-OC, Matt Lubick is the name I've mentioned to look at but he's only been the OC for this 1 year after Frost left. So he's light on experience too. He's got good bloodlines though with Sonny Lubick as his father but still light on OC experience. He's been a WR/passing game coordinator at Oregon the 3 years prior to being OC this year and also WR/DB coach at various other stops in his career.
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DM may or may not be the answer as OC, but what plays would detractors have him call ? You have an OL that collectively blocks poorly whether its a run or pass. Receivers who have a hard time getting separation and when they do, try to catch as though their hands were tied behind their back. QBs who at best, are a work in progress. I think the legitimate question is whether CA & DM should've tailored the offense more to the talents on hand, introducing the offense they wanted to run as recruits capable of executing it came aboard.
Say what you want about Drew but he can recruit his ass off, basically nearly all of the top names in this class were recruited by him. Let him run his system with his players before calling him a bust or a success.
"Mehringer, 28, has connected with recruits and helped Rutgers secure prizes like quarterback Johnathan Lewis, offensive linemen Micah Clark and Samuel Vretman, and wide receivers Bo Melton and Everett Wormley."
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...uity_with_drew_mehringer_is_important_to.html
"Mehringer, 28, has connected with recruits and helped Rutgers secure prizes like quarterback Johnathan Lewis, offensive linemen Micah Clark and Samuel Vretman, and wide receivers Bo Melton and Everett Wormley."
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...uity_with_drew_mehringer_is_important_to.html
This. We need some continuity at the OC. Mehringer is a good recruiter and was playing without a true spread QB and any playmakers for most of the year. If no improvement next season then that is the time for this conversation.
Drew will be the OC next season and most likely beyond, for good reason.
Aside from Grant and Martin, he really did not have much talent/speed to work with this season.
A swiss cheese OL and inexperienced or bad QB play.
Drew is a good recruiter and a bright guy, give him a fair chance.
Aside from Grant and Martin, he really did not have much talent/speed to work with this season.
A swiss cheese OL and inexperienced or bad QB play.
Drew is a good recruiter and a bright guy, give him a fair chance.
I think we need to see Drew here for the next 3-4 years, have you be reading what people like CL have said about the revolving door at OC. It makes it hard to compete. I gets 2 more year's and then see. We need an injection of athleticism that he can work with and develop. remember what Barry Switzer said " its not the X's and the O's it's the Jimmy's and the Joe's. Recruit better more talented kids and the offense will get better. The offense appeared better last year because Carroo caught everything thrown his way. Look at the reciever's we have had in the recent past - Britt, Coleman Carroo all 4 star kids. Sanu unbelievable talent that could have been a pro at multiple positions IMO. Where is that talent on this team. Hell, i would have killed to have Tiquan, or Tim Brown on this team.
Having worked with a great OC is very different than running the show yourself. Planning, implementation, adjusting, etc. all change when your name is on it all.
It's not about just learning in this scenario.It is ALL about keeping DM from play calling next season. Let him learn for one more year and the we'll see.And BTW DM was with WR's under Herman . Wasn't at his knee learning how to be an OC.
If it was easy everybody would just get the tape and run the same plays as Oregon Houston etc. Being THE guy running the offense means it is on you to pick the right players, call the right plays at the right times against the right D's. A lot of that is skill. Sone guys are better than others at it.
It was, but they blocked people. That's why their system worked. If he could make the RU offense prolific without any blocking, that would be truly revolutionary.
I would have no problem bringing him, or someone like him, in as a co-OC/AHC. The chemistry with DM would have to be right. But I would leave DM to do the play-calling and coaching and have the new co-OC help w/scheming and personnel decisions and, in particular, with OL coaching.
I think the D has a guy with ample experience to lend assistance to our DC. I think the O is a bigger project and could use a guy with ample experience to lend assistance to our OC. DM has had time to observe in the past. It's now time for him to learn by doing, which he is doing.
But having a great offensive mind to bounce ideas off, to play devils advocate when game-planning, and to add an extra set of eyes to help spot and formulate game day adjustments would seem to me to be a great way to ease the burden on DM and allow him a bit more breathing room - which would help anybody no matter how much experience, let alone a young coach like DM.
If you listened to Drew's pressers, as the year moved along and despite the troubles on the field, it's more than evident that he understands the philosophies of the O and what needs to be done. He became more confident in responding to the press about the issues, as well, as the year moved along. He needs to learn more, gameday-wise, no doubt, but get the horses in here and a lot will change IMHO. Wouldn't mind seeing some sort of adviser hired, no question, let's see what happens.
I agree. He clearly knows his stuff. But no matter how much one observes, it's not the same thing as actually doing it and "living" the patterns of the job. Is analogous to driving a car. We can watch others drive. But there's just no substitute for doing the driving and learning the patterns until they become instinctual.
Now that DM is actually doing the job, having a co-OC could ease the load a bit, during the week and on game-day, which, among other things allows learning to take place faster and can allow one coach in the box and one on the field to coordinate quicker game-day adjustments.
