Drew University in trouble
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I have a family member that went there for sports and got some $$$. She really enjoyed it.
Madison is a nice town, but I do not understand the logic financially of a lot of these private schools. In NJ other than Princeton and maybe Stevens, why go to a private school?
Isn't Rider having a similar problem? What is the next step for schools in these situations?
Madison is a nice town, but I do not understand the logic financially of a lot of these private schools. In NJ other than Princeton and maybe Stevens, why go to a private school?
Isn't Rider having a similar problem? What is the next step for schools in these situations?
We keep having the same conversation about this: some students want to stay in New Jersey but regard Rutgers as too big and impersonal. Rutgers is just not to everyone's taste, no more than any other state's university.
It is happening all over the country. Smaller private colleges without some edge are in long term decline. The strongest will survive but many will fail.
I hate to say it, but schools like Drew don't need to exist (expensive private colleges whose degrees are meh).
The non-RU NJ publics are on the smaller side in many cases. TCNJ is quite competitive, but how about Ramapo or Stockton?
I don't think it's true that in NJ if you want a small school you have to go private. Also, lots of small, cheap publics that are easy to get into in the surrounding states, like the lower range SUNYs or East Stroudsburg.
Yes, there are small publics like TCNJ. I suspect that students who go to Drew may not have the academic credentials for TCNJ, which is said to have higher freshman credentials than RU/New Brunswick. And I think for many people, a state college just "sounds" less prestigious than a school like Drew. There is an element of conspicuous consumption in going to Drew or many other private colleges: "see what I bought for my kid, you couldn't have afforded that!" And it might be that even a school in a nearby state is regarded as "too far from home." There's a place for all kinds of schools. Of course, as another poster said, there are a lot of private colleges in trouble; maybe there just aren't enough parents any more who see a cachet in a school like Drew.
Conspicuous consumption is the nicest way of referring to what I have called the Shop Rite line phenomenon. I've never recognized Drew as a school on that list, but could be, and maybe it's changing.
I *never* go to Shoprite even though it's the closest store -- what are you implying about me??
lol I am saying people in the line at Shop Rite want to engage in conspicuous consumption. I had you pegged as Trader Joe's guy like me! :sunglasses:
Believe it or not, I go to Acme. It is less crowded than Shop-Rite and has better produce. I've not yet become a Trader Joe's fan, and it is further from me than the Acme.
AFWIW, I don't think academically Drew is even remotely close to Rutgers main campus, unless their academic rigor has skyrocketed in the last couple years.
I think that's right. There are undoubtedly some students there who could have gotten into Rutgers, bur probably most couldn't have. The ones who could have gotten into Rutgers probably wanted Drew because of the size and suburban location.
Ramapo is about 5000 students with a nice campus and small class size that would look similar to many privates. In 2009 they saw a significant jump in NJ kids wanting to transfer after spending a year at an expensive NY/PA private school. As to academics they are still behind TCNJ reputation and SAT average wise but are working hard to close the gap.
There is TCNJ/Ramapo small, then there is Drew small.. 2k undegrads i beleive. Some very bright classmates from HS went there, given nice scholarship practices, ones an spinal surgeon now, other college professor
I can't lie I go to Acme the most as well just because it's closest- Shop Rite is walking distance as well, but it's a 15-20 min walk versus 5 for Acme.
correction: I have eaten both Shop-rite and Acme London Broil. Have to say that I'm not that impressed by either. I always wonder what beef item to get instead.
Yes, There are some really small schools out there and outside serious support from donors I don't know how they make it. With the declining demographics of college aged students coming on fewer of them will.
Drew is a beautiful campus and Madison a great town. I'm curious as to what the primary problems have been. It sounds like maybe a leadership issue with such a large decline in enrollment. It may also suffer from the "too close to home" syndrome that Rutgers faces. They are certainly entirely different institutions with different target markets but being in the heart of North Jersey they may lose out on a large wealthy population that want to leave the area for college. They should be recruiting and marketing heavily in wealthy enclaves of New England, Midwest, etc. I've had some professional interaction with different people and departments there and they have been great. I hope they get things turned around and back on track.
How does TCNJ get away with not taking as many in-state disadvantaged students as Rutgers? They had a middling reputation in state as Trenton State... they change their name taking Princeton's original name.. then they start refusing to take disadvantaged applicants the way Rutgers does. What's up with that? In most states, it is NOT the flagship State U that has to bear the burden of raising the prospects of such students.
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