Duggan's Re-analysis of QB Stats from Spring Game

[Knight Shift]

Say what you want about him, but this is a worthwhile read.
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...look_at_rutgers_qbs_i.html#incart_river_index

Laviano really struggled with his deep ball accuracy. He didn't come close to connecting with receivers that had a step or two on defensive backs on four different go routes — two underthrows and two overthrows.

Laviano did most of his damage on short passes, connecting with Grant on 8-of-10 bubble screens for 82 yards. Laviano was 8-for-19 for 158 yards on all other passes. His accuracy improved greatly after a slow start, as he completed 8-of-11 passes in the second half.

In total, Laviano had seven drives that resulted in three touchdowns, a field goal, a fumble and two punts.
NOTE: 4 Scores in 7 drives, and 2 punts.

Rettig was at his best on intermediate routes, completing 7-of-9 passes that traveled between 6-15 yards. Some of those completions were the same type of quick slants that Laviano hit, but there were also a few more impressive throws downfield. Rettig fired an accurate 12-yard out to Patton and a 14-yard comeback to Patton for first downs.

Rettig had Grant wide-open on a seam route late in the second quarter but the pass was low and the receiver couldn't make the catch. Rettig doesn't have the foot speed to concern defenses on the zone read.

In total, Rettig had five drives that resulted in a touchdown, two missed field goals and two punts.
NOTE: 5 Drives, 2 Scores.

 

[KeithK7624]

Good article...

 

[T2Kplus10]

Very good article. It highlights CL's limitations that we all talk about.

 

[DJ Spanky]

I'm still waiting for DB Duggan's re-analysis of the Jevon Tyree incident.

 

[RobertG]

Very good article. It highlights CL's limitations that we all talk about.

It also highlighted Rettig's limitations.

Rettig has more natural athletic ability as a passer and Laviano is better at managing the offense and rushing.

Let's hope one or both make progress on their limitations before the start of the season.

 

[Knight Shift]

I'm still waiting for DB Duggan's re-analysis of the Jevon Tyree incident.

I'm still waiting to get into Stuff yer face after the Spring Game.

 

[imbazza2]

As fine a place to start. Last year I heard all the Rettig's great arm stuff. As I have done all my life I watch all QB's during Pre-game warm ups. Yes Rettig has a cannon arm. Watching the short passes 10-15 square outs and short crossing patterns Laviano has a better "touch,"(softer touch when receiver is wide open) Rettig (last year) was still firing rockets on the short passes some time good but other times not as accurate. and when it comes so fast, he is marginally on target, passes are not being caught due to the small reaction time the receiver has. Rettig has seemed to lighten up the rocket power a bit on the short passes this spring. That is improvement. (Coaching will make both better who get better quicker will most likely start in the fall) Now on to the deep ball. In warm up they take the snaps at the 40 yard line and look to hit receivers at the goal line. When warmed up Laviano will throw some ropes to the goal line not the fastest ball but accurate. Then he goes on to do the drop in the basket style of passes Love his soft touch. Both QBs making the 40 yard passes.
Rettig still throws rockets 40 yards; the rub here is his accuracy drops. where both are ~80-85% on the short stuff Laviano is still up there with 70-80% on the 40 yard passes. Rettig's passes drop to about 55-65% (remember this is warm ups with no defender for the most part and no pressure on him.
as for the spring game, do not make so much of the stats, as we all remember the ~40 (line of scrimmage to where Carton caught the ball at the 15 yard line) for the wide open TD, while in fact Laviano pass across the field was longer as it was by yards ~35 yards but you must add another the 20 yards across the field. (Dumb pass by a coach's eye but was a great read by a scrambling QB.)
I will go back to Chase Dodd's first start; in warm up he was BAD! he seemed so jacked he was 3 yards long or in the dirt on the short passes, and the deep balls was out of the end zone. I was screaming calm down. It took him to the middle of the second quarter before he calmed down and by the end of the game he was rock solid.
Go back at the stats and Laviano gets very good in the second half. Rettig did great in the first half but slipped a bit in the second half
Summery: Both of these guys will play as neither has a superior advantage over the other. It is as much of a head game with a QB. Talent is only a portion of the game in COLLEGE.

Laviano is better then his 2-3 star ranking and Rettig is less then his 4 star ranking and once they step on a college field they are both 0 Stars until the prove different.
new offense, new speed, new players, new staff;
all said and done after this spring game all are equal with zero stars with both at the starting line.
Final Note as Chris Carlin failed to even know/announce who was on the field, Dare was respectable, passes were on target but his command and execution in this spread shows me promise, he seems to be fitting in this power spread, better then I thought he would.
Giovanni had a tough day, enough said there were many reason, he was in the meat grinder against the first team D

 

[KnightsofChrome]

You have to acknowledge that Duggan is some sort of football guru, who actually can give accurate analysis of different players, and abilities. Stats. do not reflect on ability. IMHO
I do not. But, by the same token to me neither QB shows the abilities needed to lead this Offense. At least not yet.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Dare! Dare!

 

[Ridge 22]

This nothing that we didn't see all last year with Laviano. He looks to check down constantly, and when he does try and throw deep, he is very inaccurate. Even on many short throws, he is much more inaccurate than you would like. IMO, he is very limited.

 

[oldman87]

Most of these analysis means very little until the green jersey comes off, Laviano's Achilles heel is the same as Nova's, terrible decision making when under heavy pressure that often leads to negative plays, penalties and turnovers. Has he worked that out of his system in one spring? I don't know but I seriously doubt it, I truly believe poise is one of those things you either have or you don't, not something you gain through practice.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Laviano should start......at William Paterson

 

[T2Kplus10]

It also highlighted Rettig's limitations.

Rettig has more natural athletic ability as a passer and Laviano is better at managing the offense and rushing.

Let's hope one or both make progress on their limitations before the start of the season.

Makes me think Oden will be our QB this season.

 

[RU#1fan]

As fine a place to start. Last year I heard all the Rettig's great arm stuff. As I have done all my life I watch all QB's during Pre-game warm ups. Yes Rettig has a cannon arm. Watching the short passes 10-15 square outs and short crossing patterns Laviano has a better "touch,"(softer touch when receiver is wide open) Rettig (last year) was still firing rockets on the short passes some time good but other times not as accurate. and when it comes so fast, he is marginally on target, passes are not being caught due to the small reaction time the receiver has. Rettig has seemed to lighten up the rocket power a bit on the short passes this spring. That is improvement. (Coaching will make both better who get better quicker will most likely start in the fall) Now on to the deep ball. In warm up they take the snaps at the 40 yard line and look to hit receivers at the goal line. When warmed up Laviano will throw some ropes to the goal line not the fastest ball but accurate. Then he goes on to do the drop in the basket style of passes Love his soft touch. Both QBs making the 40 yard passes.
Rettig still throws rockets 40 yards; the rub here is his accuracy drops. where both are ~80-85% on the short stuff Laviano is still up there with 70-80% on the 40 yard passes. Rettig's passes drop to about 55-65% (remember this is warm ups with no defender for the most part and no pressure on him.
as for the spring game, do not make so much of the stats, as we all remember the ~40 (line of scrimmage to where Carton caught the ball at the 15 yard line) for the wide open TD, while in fact Laviano pass across the field was longer as it was by yards ~35 yards but you must add another the 20 yards across the field. (Dumb pass by a coach's eye but was a great read by a scrambling QB.)
I will go back to Chase Dodd's first start; in warm up he was BAD! he seemed so jacked he was 3 yards long or in the dirt on the short passes, and the deep balls was out of the end zone. I was screaming calm down. It took him to the middle of the second quarter before he calmed down and by the end of the game he was rock solid.
Go back at the stats and Laviano gets very good in the second half. Rettig did great in the first half but slipped a bit in the second half
Summery: Both of these guys will play as neither has a superior advantage over the other. It is as much of a head game with a QB. Talent is only a portion of the game in COLLEGE.

Laviano is better then his 2-3 star ranking and Rettig is less then his 4 star ranking and once they step on a college field they are both 0 Stars until the prove different.
new offense, new speed, new players, new staff;
all said and done after this spring game all are equal with zero stars with both at the starting line.
Final Note as Chris Carlin failed to even know/announce who was on the field, Dare was respectable, passes were on target but his command and execution in this spread shows me promise, he seems to be fitting in this power spread, better then I thought he would.
Giovanni had a tough day, enough said there were many reason, he was in the meat grinder against the first team D

You lost me at " CL has a softer touch "..... How many times did we see last year and at last weekend's Spring game that CL floats his pass....even a short pass to the receiver in the flats. Grant will get killed waiting for that ball and having to make an Adjustment..... any P5 defense will smother him.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Laviano should start......at William Paterson

They're not on the schedule this year. But he will start, barring injury, at Washington on September 3rd.

 

[Knight Shift]

Most of these analysis means very little until the green jersey comes off, Laviano's Achilles heel is the same as Nova's, terrible decision making when under heavy pressure that often leads to negative plays, penalties and turnovers. Has he worked that out of his system in one spring? I don't know but I seriously doubt it, I truly believe poise is one of those things you either have or you don't, not something you gain through practice.

So, are you saying that Laviano is like a boiler with a malfunctioning pressure relief valve, and instead of relieving the pressure, sprays the ball all over the place? (Sorry, had to get a furnace reference in there somewhere).
Didn't Nova get those problems out of his system for the most part when he was working under Fridge (not a refrigerator reference)? :eek:

 

[oldman87]

So, are you saying that Laviano is like a boiler with a malfunctioning pressure relief valve, and instead of relieving the pressure, sprays the ball all over the place? (Sorry, had to get a furnace reference in there somewhere).
Didn't Nova get those problems out of his system for the most part when he was working under Fridge (not a refrigerator reference)? :eek:

I think Fridge did a fine job in avoiding putting Nova in those pressure situations as much as possible but I don't think he got Nova out of Nova. At least with Nova, the physical talent, mainly arm strength, is there that once in awhile we get to see the good Nova, with Laviano it's all bad Nova with none of the good Nova. I think he very well could start the first game but I think this coaching staff will not hesitate to pull him once they realize the difference between real time Laviano and the practice warrior.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Ralph Friedgen worked wonders with Nova, correcting flaws in his game that our dedicated QB coach, Spence, missed for 2 years running.

 

[IL Lusciato]

odd, both had 2 completions on deep balls. Laviano had more scoring drives. Not sure how this highlights Laviano's limitations so much. It highlights both QBs limitations and strengths, and basically proves Rettig is not leaps and bounds ahead of Laviano in any category, but more a little bit behind him.

:eek:

 

[KnightsofChrome]

I'm sorry but he is far from a football guru. These great insights that you believe make him a guru were sell evident to probably over half the board last year. He's just rehashing everything that happened last year and passing it off as his own personal knowledge. Your last sentence is spot on my fear is the "not yet" part as I think for both of these QB's it'll be never. Based on this offense being predicated on short passes that result in lot's of YAC's. For that you need to be accurate, these two aren't. You don't need to hit the 10-15yd out in this O but you damn well better be able to hit a 5-10yd crossing route or bubble screen spot on.

Either I didn't make it clear, or you didn't read it as I intended. For that I am sorry. Note: the "I did not" part of my statement.
Duggan is NOT a guru of any kind, let alone football. Therefore his opinion is worthless to me. Hope that helps....

 

[koleszar]

Either I didn't make it clear, or you didn't read it as I intended. For that I am sorry. Note: the "I did not" part of my statement.
Duggan is NOT a guru of any kind, let alone football. Therefore his opinion is worthless to me. Hope that helps....

My bad sorry, will delete post. Didn't connect the I do not to the 1st sentence